Pelosi Pledges Aid To Automakers, Strings Attached

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KEN THOMAS | November 15, 2008 05:44 PM EST | AP

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Chevrolet salesman Philip Jordan, center, assists Charlotte Olson, right, who's looking to buy a car for her 18-year-old daughter, Kari Olson, left, Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008, in downtown Los Angeles. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson called autos a "critical industry" Wednesday but said a $700 billion financial rescue program wasn't designed for them. The White House was noncommital, but said it was open to new ideas. (AP Photo/Ric Francis)

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Saturday the House would provide aid to the ailing U.S. auto industry, requiring that the industry meet new fuel-efficiency standards, produce advanced vehicles and restructure "to ensure their long-term economic viability."

Pelosi, D-Calif., did not disclose the amount of funding House leaders intend to seek for the industry _ automakers have been seeking $25 billion in loans to stabilize their sinking companies. But she said the funding should come from the $700 billion financial bailout approved by Congress in October.

"A restructured, competitive American automobile industry will continue to play a crucial role in our national economy and in the global marketplace," Pelosi said in a statement.

The move sets up a conflict with the White House, which has opposed using the bailout funds to help General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC. The Detroit companies have been battered by an economic meltdown that has choked their sales and frozen credit.

U.S. automakers are lobbying lawmakers furiously for an emergency infusion of cash. GM has warned it might not survive through year's end without a government lifeline.

President-elect Barack Obama said he believes that aid is needed but that it should be provided as part of a long-term plan for a "sustainable U.S. auto industry" _ not simply as a blank check.

"For the auto industry to completely collapse would be a disaster in this kind of environment," Obama said in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" that will air Sunday. "So my hope is that over the course of the next week, between the White House and Congress, the discussions are shaped around providing assistance but making sure that that assistance is conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all of the stakeholders coming together with a plan _ what does a sustainable U.S. auto industry look like?"

Pelosi said the plan would call for "immediate, targeted assistance" and must include several principles, including the restructuring of the companies "to ensure their long-term economic viability," new fuel-efficiency standards, and the development of advanced vehicles.

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She said it would include "even stronger limits on executive compensation and assurances to protect the taxpayer." House aides said the legislation was still being developed and a specific funding level had not yet been reached.

Pelosi did not mention any plans for the UAW to make any concessions as part of the legislation. UAW president Ron Gettelfinger told reporters earlier Saturday the problem is not the union's contract with the auto companies.

"The focus has to be on the economy as a whole as opposed to a UAW contract," Gettelfinger said. The union has said it made several concessions in its 2007 labor agreement, setting lower pay for new hires and placing retiree health care liability into a trust run by the UAW.

Facing an uphill battle in Congress and stiff opposition from President George W. Bush, supporters of the government bailout have considered reducing its $25 billion size. A House aide said Saturday that $25 billion was still the amount being discussed.

"There's a need for immediate action," Alan Reuther, the United Auto Workers union's legislative director, said Friday. He said one option under consideration was a smaller, more targeted amount of funding "that would get the companies through to March."

Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., said negotiations were taking place among senators on what the amount should be. "This is about getting enough votes to be able to solve the problem," she said.

Other auto suppliers and dealers with showrooms empty of customers plan to join the effort Monday when Congress returns following the Nov. 4 elections. The key Senate vote on preventing opponents from blocking the package could occur as early as Wednesday.

Democrats want to carve a portion of the $700 billion that the Bush administration is using to bail out banks, insurance companies and other financial institutions. The White House on Friday came out firmly against the approach.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said the administration would rather Congress expedite the release of a separate $25 billion loan program for the development of fuel-efficient vehicles and have the loans used for more urgent purposes as the companies struggle to stay afloat.

"Democrats are choosing a path that would only lead to partisan gridlock," Perino said.

Pelosi said Saturday that any attempt to divert money from the loan program would be a "step backward in assuring the viability and competitiveness of the U.S. auto industry."

Environmentalists and Pelosi have vehemently opposed using that money for anything other than designing and building vehicles that get higher gas mileage and produce less pollution. Democrats hold a 37-seat majority in the House and bailout supporters foresee little difficulty winning its passage there.

But the measure needs 60 votes to survive in the Senate, where Democrats will hold a razor-thin 50-49 majority when President-elect Barack Obama gives up his seat on Monday. A furious search was on for a dozen Republicans to break the anticipated filibuster from opponents.

Several Republicans have already lined up against it. "Like most Americans who are concerned about the direction of our economy and more federal spending, I must also ask _ when is enough, enough?" said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas.

Two Republicans _ Kit Bond of Missouri and George Voinovich of Ohio _ said they will back the plan. Several other Republican senators have signaled they might accept a rescue if strict conditions are put on Detroit's Big Three companies, including management and salary changes, union concessions and a commitment to making more fuel-efficient vehicles.

Bond, whose home state of Missouri has several auto plants, said the concept of government mixing with the free market was "very troublesome." But he added, "We have to act in unique times of crisis when tens of thousands of Missouri workers are in danger of losing their jobs."

Democrats are modeling their bill on the bailout terms that the Bush administration has used for doling out $290 billion to banks and insurance companies. The government would get an ownership stake in the auto companies in exchange for the loans to ensure that taxpayers would get their money back if they return to profitability.

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Saturday the House would provide aid to the ailing U.S. auto industry, requiring that the industry meet new fuel-efficiency standards, produce advanc...
WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Saturday the House would provide aid to the ailing U.S. auto industry, requiring that the industry meet new fuel-efficiency standards, produce advanc...
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Yes, bailout these companies, in exchange for majority votes on the boards of any company that needs a bailout. In fact it would be a purchase of majority stock in the company at its bargain basement value. The new board members should be appointed by government. Taxpayers would then have a stake in the management and could be repaid.
Elected officials are more accountable than secretive oligarchs who aren't especially bright and use their money to buy legislators to rake in more money. The new board would lead the companies to fully embrace green technology, and would reduce executive pay to somewhere in the civil servant range, hire people who understand these industries in the context of national values and global realities, while supporting employee training, unemployment benefits, health care, etc. And the new board could encourage competition and innovation by other companies because that's the American way, rather than kill the electric car, for example.
It wouldn't be the Chinese model, but would draw from any good example and mix in good ole American ingenuity. The "marketplace" is not a worthy deity once wealth and power feed on themselves and dominate the checks and balances that allow democracy to work.
This transition had better be real and not just another bandaid for a derelict system. FDR tried that, and every other "triangulating" Democrat has tried that. It doesn't work. Either it leads to global exploitation and corruption, war, mass poverty and homelessness or outright economic collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 11/16/2008
- giantsteps I'm a Fan of giantsteps 2 fans permalink

Before any taxpayers money is loaned out to any domestic automakers. The management and the unions must take courses from the Japanese. Any bailout at this stage would only appease the management. Their record is dismal and will continue unless government names a person, who has no conflict of interest with the automakers, to oversee where the money goes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 11/16/2008
- Heretic I'm a Fan of Heretic 2 fans permalink

Retooling the auto industry is a crucial step forward toward green and fuel efficient energy technologies as well as job creation and the future of this economy. Congress should approve a package with short leashes (strings) on the auto industry. I don't understand why the current administration has no problem throwing unrestricted taxpayer cash at the financial services industries but is digging heels in at what seems just as important if not more. Oh, that's right, its the G*reedy O*il Pe*rps in charge.

There is hybrid hydraulic technology patents sitting on the bench right frigging now for both trucks and passenger vehicles. Ford had a prototype Taurus in 2000 that got 100mpg, and the b* administration cut federal funding for such innovation, so Detroit lost interest and continued with the status quo.

What seems like absolute common sense just doesn't work with these people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 11/16/2008

I just don't understand why some people posting here don't get this. If this entire industry fails we'll end up with 3-4 million people out of work. Beyond that it would start a chain reaction throughout the economy of more bank failures and scaring people into spending even less. Our unemployment rate would go beyond 10% immediately. That whole swath of the country from Michigan to Ohio and south to Missouri would just be destroyed. Not to mention the fact that these corporations are also heavily involved in our defense industries. Are we supposed to just rely on foreign nations for our defense too? If so many of you are against globalization and free market capitalism, why are you espousing their tenets as reasons not to support our auto industry?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 11/16/2008
- TheImpaler I'm a Fan of TheImpaler 8 fans permalink
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Where have you been? The chain reaction already started! The question now is whether now we let the chips fall where they may and start new game; build new, stronger chain or try to reinforce old one with chewing gum?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 11/16/2008
- Photofarm I'm a Fan of Photofarm 20 fans permalink

Actually chewing gum may be stronger than what Congress is proposing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 11/16/2008

You can't build from nothing. What you have seen so far is nothing compared to what would happen if that entire industry fails. You have seen a chain reaction in finance not as much in the larger economy. I see this as a great opportunity to enforce a sustainable, long term green agenda on one of the biggest industries in this country. It's also the opportunity to get rid of the management that made all the bad decisions that led to this and who were stalwarts against making efficient, non-polluting cars. You can't let your anger over corporations blind you to the opportunities before us and the fates of 3-4 million Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 11/16/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 8 fans permalink
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What's next?

The "Travel & Toursim" Industry bailout?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 11/16/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 148 fans permalink
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If our tax money is being used to bail out all these huge corporations who are failing basically because of rampant greed, perhaps the strings should include THEM paying OUR taxes as interest on the loan. If a car dealer finances our purchase, we don't get the money interest free, if a bank loans us money, we pay interest to them. Now we're the lenders, where's our interest? Oh yeah.... going for bonuses to the fat boys in ivory towers that caused the problem in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 11/16/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

Don't believe Pelosi or anyone else in Congress right now. Strings attached? Our you kidding me? This is a TERRIBLE idea; write your Congressmen and tell them to say NO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 11/16/2008
- indypete I'm a Fan of indypete 148 fans permalink
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Doesn't matter who writes to whom.... it'll go through and we'll be carrying the can. Done deal, like everything in Washington. I just hope O can soften it up a bit. I expect corruption in government and big biz, any government and any big biz.... The Reagan/Clinton/Bush years, though, have made everybody too greedy. If you just steal a little, you can go on stealing, if you steal everything the way they are doing now, the goose that lays the golden eggs dies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 11/16/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 68 fans permalink
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If this doesn't have anything to do with starting the impeachment process, then I don't think she should be interviewed at all. She has unfinished business, specifically impeachment, and if she doesn't take care of that little problem, then she shouldn't even be interviewed. We MUST establish accountabililty to the Bush/Cheney administration. Let the trial determine guilt, but I think it is mandatory that we get both Bush and Cheney, as well as key administration officials to testify, in public and under oath. Not impeaching this administration will go down in history as one of our biggest blunders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 11/16/2008
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

Grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 11/16/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 8 fans permalink
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bikerdude has a point (really many) !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 11/16/2008
- hexham I'm a Fan of hexham 9 fans permalink

Now imagine instead of giving the industry cash, give it a purchase order for a million trucks that are alt fueled, and lease them to small businesses at a great rate. Now you have a million clean green trucks on the road, small businesses get green vehicles into service, which also creates an instant market for alt fuel stations.

I posted this elsewhere, but I want some more comments on the idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/16/2008
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Wonderful idea. Perhaps far too logical and workable for our bumbling government to wrap their brains around.
I am beyond disgusted. They throw BILLIONS of our hard earned dollars at the problem rather than at the cause.
It's infuriating!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 11/16/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 8 fans permalink
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It is a GREAT idea you have...tha­t's why it wont happen! It makes too much "good" sense; that is also why Congress will not unserstand it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 11/16/2008
- TheImpaler I'm a Fan of TheImpaler 8 fans permalink
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This is good idea! Is anyone currently manufacturing alt fuel trucks? Also, buying controlling interests in "foreign" manufacturers that do or could manufacture green cars here now would also be money better utilized than bailing out dinosaurs in my opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 11/16/2008
- plages I'm a Fan of plages 18 fans permalink

Strings, strings! Hell, there should be cables, and allot of rope! Just remember, we're being played with, and the bottom has yet to be seen, and that gas your purchasing today, will be going up in price again very soon!

Google Mark Morford, and read his latest piece!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 11/16/2008
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Calling Dr. Deming!
Now more than ever the Deming philosophy needs to be how U.S. government, education and industry operates.
This is the model we must adopt to answer not only our present woe but give meaning to our lives and hope for the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 11/16/2008
- hexham I'm a Fan of hexham 9 fans permalink

AGREED!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 11/16/2008
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 8 fans permalink
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Dr.Demon agrees with the Dr. Deming philosophy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 11/16/2008
- TheImpaler I'm a Fan of TheImpaler 8 fans permalink
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Doctors Demon and Deming are wise! ... :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 11/16/2008

This weekend I bought a 35 mpgToyota at 0% financing, a special Toyota is running in my area. GM has been bringing this upon themselves for 30+ years. The UAW, in turn, would rather have all its workers lose their jobs than make additional concessions. If the United States government bails out these clowns, then it should demand that the entire executive structure of GM be replaced, beginning at the CEO level, with people who aren't the culturally inbred yahoos who have been putting that company into the ground since the first energy crisis of the 70s. They've had that long to fix their problems and address foreign competition. How is giving them a cash infusion going to "change" anything?

On a related note, I hope that the Obama administration uses whatever money remains from this $700 billion bailout to launch a "Business Reconstruction Corporation" that provides 0% financing, and even some grants, to people starting a small business. It is true that something like 80% of all businesses fail, but it's better to take chances on entrepreneurs than corrupt corporations who have already had their chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 11/16/2008
- Nickesq I'm a Fan of Nickesq 6 fans permalink

Great idea. Globalization of the mega-corporation has just meant loss of jobs and tax revenue in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 11/16/2008
- hexham I'm a Fan of hexham 9 fans permalink

Just remake the SBA into your idea. I like it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 11/16/2008

Thanks. The problem with the SBA is that it has its own deeply embedded culture. It is also directly tied to banks, who are reluctant to deal with the SBA because of its gargantuan bureaucracy. I'm thinking of something more along the lines of a federal venture capital fund, where the taxpayers would benefit directly from the sale from stock from the most successful companies. Kind of like a public Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers on steroids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 11/16/2008

Thanks. I'm thinking of something more along the lines of a federal venture capital fund. Think Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers on steroids. It would be managed by venture capital people, and the taxpayers would be the beneficiaries of the next Google.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 11/16/2008
- Ohg I'm a Fan of Ohg 5 fans permalink

Capitalism is economic natural selection. We humans tinker with the fundamentals of natural selection - when it is cold, we build shelters. . ..........­......

http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/11/16/the-utility-of-socialism/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 11/16/2008
- Nickesq I'm a Fan of Nickesq 6 fans permalink

Not so. The protections that capitalism gets from the government prevent natural selection from happening - including monopoly positions that discourage competition, protection of patents, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 11/16/2008
- Nova16 I'm a Fan of Nova16 34 fans permalink

Mother Nature and Father Time determine natural selection. Economic determination is guided by the failures and successes of the systems be it Communism, Socialism or Capitalism. Because Capitalism failed to deliver because of greed, profit, and the enviromental, human conditions that it wrought, it had to be held in check with regulation and control--therefore welfare Capitalism is the form of the Wagner Act, Social Security and Medicare, Unemployment Compensation, Workmen's compensati­on,etc., etc. and the regulatory agencies of SEC, the Trade Commission, Interstate Commerce Commission, etc., etc. Holding a total positive view of Capitalism has led us to the economic mess we are in at home and abroad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 11/16/2008
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Pelosi seems to do a lot of talking and make a lot of promises for someone who wasn't elected to do so. I thought that Bush was President, and shouldn't it be President-elect Barak Obama who should be speaking for the new government? Forget the photo opts and stop wagging your tongue Nancy, and defer the decision making stance to the President elect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 11/16/2008

What ever happened to Chapter 11 Bankruptcy? Why are all of these companies getting "bailed out"? They obviously need to reorganize.

Hey, gov, just keep printing that paper with nothing to back it up, like gold or silver. Throw some my way while you're at it. I'm below poverty level and could use a bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 11/16/2008
- Nickesq I'm a Fan of Nickesq 6 fans permalink

The problem with chapter 11 is that they can escape the burden of worker pensions and keep the same thugs who think only about enriching themselves in management.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 11/16/2008
- Ping I'm a Fan of Ping 63 fans permalink

Actually, Chapter 11 means the court is in control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 11/16/2008
- starlady7 I'm a Fan of starlady7 28 fans permalink

To the nay sayers, what is being proposed is to prevent the job loss of 3+million people. Do you realize the consequences of having that many more people out of work and who are mainly just skilled for the auto industry! Talk about DOMINO effect!!! This would cause more foreclosures, hit every business that is substained by the pay checks of 3 MILLION people. From food chains to Health care. IF THE COMPANIES ARE REQUIRED TO RETOOL FOR HYBRIDS, ELECTRIC, FLEX FUEL vehicles and put restrictions on compensati­ons...chan­ges in manangement and what ever else is necessary to make them viable, THEN WE SHOULD BACK THIS. Also this would be an immediate step toward a GREEN ENERGY INITIATIVE! Definite restrictions, strings, and pay back requirements though.

By the way the UAW has already made several concession­...2007. The workers have decreased their hourly wages by half! ($28/hr down to $14/hr).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 11/16/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

The $700 plus billion should be spread around and not just concentrated in Wall Street, Banks, Hedge Funds and Insurance groups.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 11/16/2008
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