Pelosi Pledges Aid To Automakers, Strings Attached

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KEN THOMAS | November 15, 2008 05:44 PM EST | AP

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Chevrolet salesman Philip Jordan, center, assists Charlotte Olson, right, who's looking to buy a car for her 18-year-old daughter, Kari Olson, left, Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008, in downtown Los Angeles. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson called autos a "critical industry" Wednesday but said a $700 billion financial rescue program wasn't designed for them. The White House was noncommital, but said it was open to new ideas. (AP Photo/Ric Francis)

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Saturday the House would provide aid to the ailing U.S. auto industry, requiring that the industry meet new fuel-efficiency standards, produce advanced vehicles and restructure "to ensure their long-term economic viability."

Pelosi, D-Calif., did not disclose the amount of funding House leaders intend to seek for the industry _ automakers have been seeking $25 billion in loans to stabilize their sinking companies. But she said the funding should come from the $700 billion financial bailout approved by Congress in October.

"A restructured, competitive American automobile industry will continue to play a crucial role in our national economy and in the global marketplace," Pelosi said in a statement.

The move sets up a conflict with the White House, which has opposed using the bailout funds to help General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC. The Detroit companies have been battered by an economic meltdown that has choked their sales and frozen credit.

U.S. automakers are lobbying lawmakers furiously for an emergency infusion of cash. GM has warned it might not survive through year's end without a government lifeline.

President-elect Barack Obama said he believes that aid is needed but that it should be provided as part of a long-term plan for a "sustainable U.S. auto industry" _ not simply as a blank check.

"For the auto industry to completely collapse would be a disaster in this kind of environment," Obama said in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes" that will air Sunday. "So my hope is that over the course of the next week, between the White House and Congress, the discussions are shaped around providing assistance but making sure that that assistance is conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all of the stakeholders coming together with a plan _ what does a sustainable U.S. auto industry look like?"

Pelosi said the plan would call for "immediate, targeted assistance" and must include several principles, including the restructuring of the companies "to ensure their long-term economic viability," new fuel-efficiency standards, and the development of advanced vehicles.

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She said it would include "even stronger limits on executive compensation and assurances to protect the taxpayer." House aides said the legislation was still being developed and a specific funding level had not yet been reached.

Pelosi did not mention any plans for the UAW to make any concessions as part of the legislation. UAW president Ron Gettelfinger told reporters earlier Saturday the problem is not the union's contract with the auto companies.

"The focus has to be on the economy as a whole as opposed to a UAW contract," Gettelfinger said. The union has said it made several concessions in its 2007 labor agreement, setting lower pay for new hires and placing retiree health care liability into a trust run by the UAW.

Facing an uphill battle in Congress and stiff opposition from President George W. Bush, supporters of the government bailout have considered reducing its $25 billion size. A House aide said Saturday that $25 billion was still the amount being discussed.

"There's a need for immediate action," Alan Reuther, the United Auto Workers union's legislative director, said Friday. He said one option under consideration was a smaller, more targeted amount of funding "that would get the companies through to March."

Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., said negotiations were taking place among senators on what the amount should be. "This is about getting enough votes to be able to solve the problem," she said.

Other auto suppliers and dealers with showrooms empty of customers plan to join the effort Monday when Congress returns following the Nov. 4 elections. The key Senate vote on preventing opponents from blocking the package could occur as early as Wednesday.

Democrats want to carve a portion of the $700 billion that the Bush administration is using to bail out banks, insurance companies and other financial institutions. The White House on Friday came out firmly against the approach.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said the administration would rather Congress expedite the release of a separate $25 billion loan program for the development of fuel-efficient vehicles and have the loans used for more urgent purposes as the companies struggle to stay afloat.

"Democrats are choosing a path that would only lead to partisan gridlock," Perino said.

Pelosi said Saturday that any attempt to divert money from the loan program would be a "step backward in assuring the viability and competitiveness of the U.S. auto industry."

Environmentalists and Pelosi have vehemently opposed using that money for anything other than designing and building vehicles that get higher gas mileage and produce less pollution. Democrats hold a 37-seat majority in the House and bailout supporters foresee little difficulty winning its passage there.

But the measure needs 60 votes to survive in the Senate, where Democrats will hold a razor-thin 50-49 majority when President-elect Barack Obama gives up his seat on Monday. A furious search was on for a dozen Republicans to break the anticipated filibuster from opponents.

Several Republicans have already lined up against it. "Like most Americans who are concerned about the direction of our economy and more federal spending, I must also ask _ when is enough, enough?" said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas.

Two Republicans _ Kit Bond of Missouri and George Voinovich of Ohio _ said they will back the plan. Several other Republican senators have signaled they might accept a rescue if strict conditions are put on Detroit's Big Three companies, including management and salary changes, union concessions and a commitment to making more fuel-efficient vehicles.

Bond, whose home state of Missouri has several auto plants, said the concept of government mixing with the free market was "very troublesome." But he added, "We have to act in unique times of crisis when tens of thousands of Missouri workers are in danger of losing their jobs."

Democrats are modeling their bill on the bailout terms that the Bush administration has used for doling out $290 billion to banks and insurance companies. The government would get an ownership stake in the auto companies in exchange for the loans to ensure that taxpayers would get their money back if they return to profitability.

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Saturday the House would provide aid to the ailing U.S. auto industry, requiring that the industry meet new fuel-efficiency standards, produce advanc...
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I want an 09 Pinto that runs on bovine flatulence. NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 AM on 11/16/2008
- PT6 I'm a Fan of PT6 25 fans permalink

Don't SCALE BACK on Bailout of Auto Firms! Make BUSH and the Republicans take the BLAME for losing 20,000,000 JOBS!

At least 10% and probably 65% of AMERICANS want BIG 3 to Survive and Prosper!

It is not just the BIG 3 who are losing customers! All car companies are hurting but they are not near bankruptcy!

CORRUPT Banks who still make profits received $250+ Billion to help merge BIG BANKS into MEGA BANKS!

SO we can certainly help Auto Companies with 1/5th that or $50 Billion to save 10% of the JOBS in AMERICA!
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Certainly, high paid white collar people should be required to take a 30% cut in pay and union workers should take a 15% cut in pay! And these companies should only produce cars with 30+ MPG ratings.

Sell the "GAS GUZZLERS" at losses to get rid of them and stop producing them!

Replace Top Executives with Experts having Hybrid and Green Cars Experience!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 AM on 11/16/2008

You might want to check those statistics­..."at least 10%...and probably 65%"!?

Everyone I've talked to says they're getting what they deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 11/16/2008
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Let the wealthy clean up their own mess. Someone send a bill to big oil that have kept these companies producing cars that get 12MPG.

Enough of the politics of fear. How many times will people fall for this nonsense?

If the people with the wealth aren't interested in seeing them survive so be it. This not a bill the tax payer for the taxpayer. Contact the CEOs, the shareholders and the big oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 AM on 11/16/2008
- jp5472 I'm a Fan of jp5472 28 fans permalink
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THis really is the root of the problem. Its how the Big 3 ended up in the straits they are now in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 AM on 11/16/2008
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Let's see how fast the auto makers take it to court to do whatever the heck they want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 11/16/2008

ya know, if the gov gave me $25 billion I bet I could put out an electric car that got 400 miles on a charge that could be plugged in to a regular outlet and cost less than 20 grand. it wouldn't have a bunch of un-needed junk like GPS but I would throw in a free atlas.

Why do they add on so much cr*p you don't need and drive up the price? Does anyone really need 9 friggin' cup holders, a 10 disc CD changer and seat warmers? All that useless junk has to effect the mileage.

I don't even need air conditioning if the windows roll down. I'd settle for a 65 mph electric golf cart if it had a heater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 11/16/2008

Yep...like the newest Ford mid-size SUV (Flex? Focus? Fiasco?) with a built-in 12-can capacity electric cooler??? Whatever happened to the good old Igloo and a bag of ice? Ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 11/16/2008

You would lose that bet because it violates the laws of physics. But since you are only blogging it's OK to make promises that don't pass the laugh test.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 11/16/2008
- jp5472 I'm a Fan of jp5472 28 fans permalink
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"I don't even need air conditioning if the windows roll down." - have to correct you on that. The car uses more energy because of the drag produced by having the windows open than by it being more aerodynamic with the windows closed and the air on. Your myth was debunked 30 years ago. When I took aerodynamics in then early eighties in college engineering, it was known then that aerodynamics come into play at the very least 25 miles an hour.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 AM on 11/16/2008

I didn't say anything about drag or aerodynamics. I was talking about the price of the car. Even if the drag coeficient increases with the windows open it wouldn't be that big a deal since the car is running on electricity not gas. Besides the weight saving would partially offset the increased drag. Not to mention the increased torque from not having the a/c compressor­.... and I prefer fresh air over a/c.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 11/16/2008

If you've got a few minutes, here's a rather prophetic 3+ year old Newsweek article that pretty much explains why GM is doomed to failure. One quote in particular from then-newly-hired marketing chief, Mark LaNeve, says it all (and explains why I kept the article all these years...):

"If you see Toyota doing something really well," he says, "steal shamelessl­y." LMAO - Enjoy.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/50486?tid=relatedcl

IMHO, Detroit's Paleolithic management "mentality" is such that Pelosi might as well dig a deep hole, fill it to the rim with OUR cash, douse it with gas and toss in a match.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 11/16/2008
- metalpipe I'm a Fan of metalpipe 10 fans permalink
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agreed 100%. They need to be replaced. Can we vote as a nation who heads our largest corporations, seeing as how they are taking our tax money to stay in business? Could be interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 11/16/2008
- Chironomid I'm a Fan of Chironomid 22 fans permalink

As contentious as it might be, one of the first things that would need to happen as part of an "accountable" bailout would be for the UAW to agree to disband the Jobs Bank. This is a little-known program that has laid-off workers still officially employed and receiving full benefits months and years after their layoffs. Originally conceived as a transitional stage until they could reassign these workers to other plants, the continual contraction of the US auto industry has made that impossible to fulfill. So, these folks go around mowing parks and cleaning out culverts at $35 an hour will full health care and pension.

I'd usually be the last person to sock it to working folks, but there's no way our auto industry will ever get competitive without disbanding itself from this, along with lifetime health care for its retirees.

All that said, it really makes no sense to offer bailout money with strings attached to one automaker. What is needed is legislation that says "by 2020, plug-in hybrids will be 20% of production" or something like that. All the automakers need to play against the same backstop, or it just won't work in the world of supply and demand. How can we hold GM to a standard that other automakers don't have to fulfill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 11/16/2008
- Hawkman4 I'm a Fan of Hawkman4 5 fans permalink
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How about a requirement to build and subsidize electric cars, not just have better efficiency?

Maybe that will get the oil companies to bail out the big 3.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 11/16/2008

The Chevrolet Volt comes out in model year 2010, one year away, it gets 40 mpg without ever using a single drop of gas. GM just needs to tread water for one more year to be able to put it out next year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 11/16/2008

Looks like somebody really swallowed the spin about the Volt with hook, line, sinker and boat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 11/16/2008
- bascombe I'm a Fan of bascombe 29 fans permalink
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is she going to make bringing jobs to america a priority?
is she going to restrict management salaries?

can we be spared any pretense that she's not just a millionaire windbag?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 11/16/2008
- 1201SLD I'm a Fan of 1201SLD 2 fans permalink

"is she going to make bringing jobs to America a priority?"

No one can do that unless the job talent and pricing are in line with and adjusted to other markets.

When "our" Big Money and Big Business invested, where were the new jobs? The jobs were overseas because it made sense. We have to retool our own personal expectations so that new jobs here make sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 11/16/2008
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This is so typical of the Republicans. Use our taxpayer money to bail out the fat cats on Wall Street and give a big F U to the workers on main street. The thing that they don't think about, since their world is all about "me" and not "us" is that sooner or later they will also be affected, when there's no one left who can afford to buy their goods and services.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 11/16/2008

we are nearly there, give it 6 more months. They tried to manipulate oil, and forced the companies to take far less profit than they are used to, trying to stimulate "spending", exactly what is NOT needed right now. I don't think these idiots got the message, we are broke. They have milked the cow dry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 11/16/2008

"to ensure their long-term economic viability.­"
I want to hear exactly HOW they are going to pull that one off. The BLOATED U.S. Auto Industry is paying WAY too much per auto produced compared to competition. And if I hear one more time STOP paying management and executive SO MUCH! PEOPLE! The market PAYS you what you are worth, great reduce thier pay, take away bonuses etc...All the management that is WORTH anything will do is LEAVE. And then WHAT will you have? You will be left with the people doing little or nothing to keep a salary they can not get anywhere else. Does not work this way, I agree SR. Executives have been getting TOO much with NO consequences, so FIRE them. That is it. Dont pretend you can control what people earn at any level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 11/16/2008
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Then I suggest we nationalize our auto industry. Then the government can hire people who are visionaries at a reasonable salary. There are plenty of people out there who would be happy to work for $100,000 a year doing the same job the corporate CEO's were paid $5 million a year to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 11/16/2008

I don't know a single capable manager (and I know a couple) who would even consider applying for the job if it's less than $300,000 plus stock options. That's the lower end of the going rate for publicly traded companies with less than 100 employees, mind you. Now scale that up to something with 200,000 employees.

$100,000 does not even get you an IT manager these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 11/16/2008

Will NEVER happen, I know people like to think management play golf all day and live like kings with no stress. Having been there myself, may not get your hands dirty but you put in more hours than you can ever imagine, and the stress level can be enormous. 100K is Middle management pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 11/17/2008

I don't see why everyone is against loaning money to the auto industry..­....we gave money to the banks and wall street....­.helping the auto industry saves around 3 million jobs.....s­o far all the bailout has saved is a few hundred CEO's and exec's bonus trips and lined the coffers of AIG and the banks.....­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 11/16/2008
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just giving the money to the industry in it's current state will do nothing for the long term success of the industry

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 11/16/2008

True that!

WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO REWARD FAILURE?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 11/16/2008
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It will save way more than 3 million jobs. Apparently 1 in 12 Americans are working in a job in the auto industry or in an industry that services the auto industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 11/16/2008

Something just stinks about this whole thing. Since when do taxpayers have to bailout private businesses? It's called sink or swim. No bailouts. This is how a free economy works. This congress and senate are going to be a disaster in the making. I have no hope in their ability to work any of this out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 11/16/2008

First of all the Senate is part of Congress..­......seco­ndly, what impact do you purpose the 3 million that would be out of work would have on the economy...­......GWB messed this country up good but it is not the working people who deserve to get screwed...­....if government does not do something to save the major employers in addition to the banks the bread lines are going to be awful long and the homeless shelters even more overcrowde­d.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 11/16/2008
- Hawka I'm a Fan of Hawka 9 fans permalink

Yeah, cause that worked out so well in the Great Depression with Hoover right? You think if these guys fail its just them, we all go down, we have all been going down because the markets are so inter-connected to one another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 AM on 11/16/2008
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Are they going to do something about the management? I honestly don't care if they bailout the automakers as long as they do something about the management and make sure the workers are protected. The people in charge of those companies don't know what the hell they are doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 11/16/2008
- ricitizen I'm a Fan of ricitizen 17 fans permalink
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Millions of people all over the country would lose their jobs if the auto giants went bankrupt in this economic crisis. They can not reorganize under chapter 11. No one will buy a car from a bankrupt company. How will they get parts, service, warranties, etc? Those who have cars now would have the cost for repairs sky rocket. If the workers have no income, they can't buy anything from haircuts to home payments to their next new car. It's as simple as Henry Ford said: "I pay my workers well so that they can afford to buy my product." Towns and business all over the country in many industries would be hurt. I believe that the management of the automakers should be fired and a new team be brought in for restructuring. They need to renegotiate with the unions about legacy cost, health care, pension, wages, and what how to compete. We are all in this together people. If you think that we can let this thing go down and not be hurt by it, you'll be sorry. Case in point Lehman Bros. It was the collapse of Lehman that exhilarated the current market dive. We had a chance to save them and perhaps manage the down turn with less shock. We knew it was coming. Obama was talking about it for over a year. But the collapse came faster than expected because of the incompetence in the WH and Treasury.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 11/16/2008
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