Top Republican Senators Oppose Automaker Bailout

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STEPHEN OHLEMACHER | November 16, 2008 10:43 PM EST | AP

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Chevrolet salesman Philip Jordan, center, assists Charlotte Olson, right, who's looking to buy a car for her 18-year-old daughter, Kari Olson, left, Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008, in downtown Los Angeles. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson called autos a "critical industry" Wednesday but said a $700 billion financial rescue program wasn't designed for them. The White House was noncommital, but said it was open to new ideas. (AP Photo/Ric Francis)

WASHINGTON — Hardline opponents of an auto industry bailout branded the industry a "dinosaur" whose "day of reckoning" is near, while Democrats pledged Sunday to do their best to get Detroit a slice of the $700 billion Wall Street rescue in this week's lame-duck session of Congress.

The companies are seeking $25 billion from the financial industry bailout for emergency loans, though supporters of the aid for General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC have offered to reduce the size of the rescue to win backing in Congress.

Senate Democrats intended to introduce legislation Monday attaching an auto bailout to a House-passed bill extending unemployment benefits; a vote was expected as early as Wednesday.

A White House alternative would let the car companies take $25 billion in loans previously approved to develop fuel-efficient vehicles and use the money for more immediate needs. Congressional Democrats oppose the White House plan as shortsighted.

Majority Democrats will need at least a dozen GOP votes in the Senate to prevent opponents from blocking their measure _ assuming all Senate Democrats support it. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky questioned whether there was sufficient Democratic support for an auto bailout in a statement released Sunday.

"The silence from the Democrat rank and file on this matter has been deafening," McConnell said.

So far two Republicans publicly have voiced support for the idea. Several others, including Minnesota Sen. Norm Coleman on Sunday, have indicated they might accept a rescue under strict conditions.

Sens. Richard Shelby of Alabama and Jon Kyl of Arizona said it would be a mistake to use any of the Wall Street rescue money to prop up the automakers because a bailout would only postpone the industry's demise.

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"Companies fail everyday and others take their place. I think this is a road we should not go down," said Shelby, the senior Republican on the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee. "They're not building the right products," he said. "They've got good workers but I don't believe they've got good management. They don't innovate. They're a dinosaur in a sense."

Added Kyl, the Senate's second-ranking Republican: "Just giving them $25 billion doesn't change anything. It just puts off for six months or so the day of reckoning."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said over the weekend the House would aid the ailing industry, though she did not put a price on her plan. "The House is ready to do it," said Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. "There's no downside to trying."

Frank's committee has scheduled a Wednesday hearing on an auto bailout.

It is a more difficult fight in the Senate, given the Democrats' slim edge and President George W. Bush's opposition. Bush wants to speed the release of $25 billion from a separate loan program intended to help the automakers develop fuel-efficient vehicles and have that money go toward more urgent purposes as the companies struggle to stay afloat. The loan program was approved by Congress last year, but more legislation would be necessary to change its purpose.

"That should be done this week," Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said. He said reopening the Wall Street bailout and including automakers could attract other industries looking for bailouts.

"If you start that, where do you stop?" he asked. "There's a line of companies of industries waiting at Treasury just to see if they can get their hands on those $700 billion."

The disagreement raises the possibility that any help for automakers will have to wait until 2009, when President-elect Barack Obama takes office and the Democrats increase their majority in the Senate.

At least two Republican senators support an automaker bailout _ George Voinovich of Ohio and Kit Bond of Missouri. But if the Republicans are seen as neglecting an industry that inevitably collapses, they risk lasting political problems in Midwestern industrial states that can swing for either political party.

Obama won most of the manufacturing states in the presidential race, including Ohio, a perennial battleground, and Indiana, which had not voted for a Democrat for president since 1964. Obama easily won Michigan after Republican John McCain publicly pulled out weeks before Election Day.

Former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich said young voters, who overwhelmingly supported Obama over Republican John McCain in the presidential election, could get turned off by expensive corporate bailouts that they will eventually have to pay for.

If "those 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds start to figure out they're going to pay the taxes, they're not getting the billions, I think you might find a lot of dissatisfaction by next summer," Gingrich said.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said automakers are working to adapt to a changing consumer market, but they need immediate help to survive the current economic crisis. "This is a national problem," Levin said. "The auto industry touches millions and millions of lives."

The companies are lobbying lawmakers furiously for an emergency infusion of cash. GM has warned it might not survive through year's end without a government lifeline.

"It's not the General Motors we grew up with. It's a General Motors that is headed down this road to oblivion," said Shelby. "Should we intervene to slow it down, knowing it's going to happen? I say no, not for the American taxpayer."

United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger would not flat-out reject further concessions by members on top of the two-tiered wage system and other concessions the union gave the automakers last year, but he bristled at calls for further sacrifices by his members.

"Let's go to AIG, Bear Stearns, active and retired workers: Did anybody go in and ask them to give back wages and benefit levels?" Gettelfinger said on WDIV-TV in Detroit. "What about the bond traders? Did anybody ask them? What about the cleaners in the building? Why would the UAW be any different?"

"We made an agreement, and we made major concessions," he said. "So how can you blame the autoworkers?"

Obama said he believes aid is needed but that it should be provided as part of a long-term plan for a "sustainable U.S. auto industry" _ not simply as a blank check.

"For the auto industry to completely collapse would be a disaster in this kind of environment," Obama said in a "60 Minutes" interview airing Sunday night on CBS. "So my hope is that over the course of the next week, between the White House and Congress, the discussions are shaped around providing assistance but making sure that that assistance is conditioned on labor, management, suppliers, lenders, all of the stakeholders coming together with a plan _ what does a sustainable U.S. auto industry look like?"

Lawmakers opposed to the bailout say Chapter 11 might be a better option than government loans and they cite the experience of airlines that have gone through the process of reorganization.

But GM CEO Rick Wagoner, also appearing on Detroit's WDIV, said: "This idea that you just go into Chapter 11 and hang around for three months ... this is a fantasy. This is not going to work. Most important to what is going to happen is most people will stop buying the cars of a bankrupt company."

Shelby and Levin were interviewed on NBC's "Meet the Press" and Shelby also appeared with Frank on CBS' "Face the Nation." Kyl spoke on "Fox News Sunday" and Gutierrez was on "Late Edition" on CNN.

WASHINGTON — Hardline opponents of an auto industry bailout branded the industry a "dinosaur" whose "day of reckoning" is near, while Democrats pledged Sunday to do their best to get Detroit a s...
WASHINGTON — Hardline opponents of an auto industry bailout branded the industry a "dinosaur" whose "day of reckoning" is near, while Democrats pledged Sunday to do their best to get Detroit a s...
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- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

I can't believe some of these posts I'm reading. If you have ties to a failing auto business, get out now and find something else to do. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but that is how we do things here. If I made something that nobody wanted to buy, you'd be saying the same thing to me. I would EXPECT it. Have a little bit more self-respect than to FORCE other people to bail you out and subsidize your OBSCENE compensation package. If you don't have ties to one of these companies, you have NOTHING to worry about. It is IMPOSSIBLE to feel the negative effects of a failed business if you have NO exposure to it. These arguments about patriotism and national security are a TOTAL stretch; don't fall for it. National security is a FOREIGN AFFAIRS issue. If you are worried about national security, tell your Congressmen to build more tanks and jets and bombs. Don't tell them to bail out GM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 11/17/2008
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 57 fans permalink
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We could always draft all the auto-workers. That would ease the burrden on all our future wars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 11/17/2008
- Larkinvos I'm a Fan of Larkinvos 10 fans permalink

I find it interesting how we bail out brokerages, insurance companies, and banks, but now, we have to
draw the line on bailouts, when it comes to actual American workers, who make things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 11/17/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

This is EXACTLY why you don't bail out ANYONE. This is why most Americans were AGAINST the initial $700B scam even though Congress, in complete defiance, did it anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 11/17/2008

Converting to green energy and restoring our manufacturing base are essential to our national security. Why are Republicans so weak on national security?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 11/16/2008

GOP is cheering for the UAW's demise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 11/16/2008
- entropy2 I'm a Fan of entropy2 18 fans permalink
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What a great way for the Repugs to deal a crippling, if not mortal, blow to the UAW. This is simply union busting disguised as "fiscal responsibility."

UNION MEMBERS...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 11/16/2008

Why is it that the only two options here are either complete failure or a blank check, no string attached? Nope, no creativity here. GM says they need billions of dollars then by golly, we need to just give GM billions of dollars. No questions asked. That has worked out swimmingly so far hasn't it?

GM already had significant government help under Clinton. BILLIONS in tax incentives to off shore all of Michigan (no outrage there) to Mexico for 10 cents on the dollar. This was defended as a way to help revitalize the struggling American auto industry. Revitalization never occured.

The American auto industry will never catch Japan. They are nearly 25 years behind the curve. Throwing good money after bad won't alter this reality. In fact, it will probably make more jobs head south of the border. With tax breaks! Can't forget those corporate tax breaks!!

Insead, they should let GM TANK and take all their gas guzzling cars with them. Put $50 billion into displaced workers aid while simultaneously giving huge tax incentives to Japanese auto makers to build more factories on American soil since they already build more cars on American soil than GM anyway.

This way, we can revitalize the economy, help people get better jobs and increase fuel economy and improving the environment. All in one fell swoop!

But enough is enough! No more freebies to irresponsibly managed companies who want to continue to milk the government for corporate welfare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 11/16/2008
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Senator Shelby represents Alalbama which makes 500,000 Toyotas per year so that is why he does not care if the Big 3 go bankrupt!

All Auto Companies are losing customers but they are not near bankruptcy!

Why should CORRUPT Banks, still making profits, received $250+ Billion to help merge BIG BANKS into MEGA BANKS! Yet Auto Companies need only 1/10th that or $25 Billion to save 10% of the JOBS in AMERICA or 20,000,000!

These companies should only produce cars with 30+ MPG ratings. Sell the Big GAS GUZZLERS at losses to get rid of them and stop producing them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 11/16/2008
- brklynivn I'm a Fan of brklynivn 14 fans permalink

Most of the profit foreign automakers make on cars produced here go back to the home country. In the meantime, we lose our capacity to manufacture. Senator Shelby is a heck of a patriot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 11/16/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

You're kidding, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 11/17/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

GM is NOT near bankruptcy? Are you serious?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 11/17/2008
- mauibob I'm a Fan of mauibob 20 fans permalink

They need to fail. After the failure, new automakers will come in with a clean balance sheet and no outrageous union wages and benefits. Thats how it works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 11/16/2008
- Twinkie I'm a Fan of Twinkie 3 fans permalink

Uhm, no it isn't. We're not talking about the local McDonalds franchise here. Whatever space one or more failed auto makers were taking up will quickly be filled by their existing competitors. There is no time, money or market space for new companies to just appear out of nowhere.

And the workers have bills to pay, they can't wait for some fantasy land new automaker to pop up and give them jobs any time soon. A conditional bailout is essential, or the recession will go deeper and longer with the mass unemployment fallout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 11/16/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

If some laid off auto workers need assistance until they find a new job, that will cost MUCH less then to keep sinking TAXPAYER money into a money-losing BUSINESS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 11/17/2008

Since Exxon is making record profits--$14 billion this last quarter--perhaps they could invest in the auto industry which uses their products and save us taxpayers from having to bail out yet another part of the economy. Can someone in government bring pressure to bear on Exxon to do that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 11/16/2008
- iambusto I'm a Fan of iambusto 5 fans permalink

we prefer not to mix loser companies with winner companies.

Automakers, Airlines, Retail - Losers

Consumer goods, Energy - Winners

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 11/16/2008
- iambusto I'm a Fan of iambusto 5 fans permalink

CHAPTER 11 best hope for Automakers.

Airlines have been doing it again and again. Why not automakers. What makes them so special.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 11/16/2008
- Twinkie I'm a Fan of Twinkie 3 fans permalink

One is a service industry and the other is a manufacturing industry. Totally DIFFERENT. Totally, completely and utterly DIFFERENT. Airlines don't have production lines to maintain, nor the vast numbers of sub-contractors and subsidiaries that automakers have, for a start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 11/16/2008
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Sens. Richard Shelby represents Alabam which makers 500,000 Toyota cars a year and he probably wants that to grow! So having the Big 3 claim bankruptcy will help his state!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 11/16/2008

Japan would never let any of its auto companies fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 11/16/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

Their loss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 11/17/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

I don't really care what Senator Shelby's intentions are; bailing out GM with TAXPAYER money is a TERRIBLE idea. I will say this. I don't have anything to gain by GM going out of business. I have no interest in its competitors. But I do have something to LOSE, however if Congress dose agree to bail them out. It's a little something I call my share of the tax revenue that the IRS takes from me every paycheck by FORCE. For this reason, I will NEVER support any effort to give that money to inefficient, money-losing businesses like GM. I have already written my Congressmen demanding that it not happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 11/16/2008

Yeah, I had to write Shelby. Levin won't settle for anything less than another earmark for his belt. Upton is my congressman and is right in line with Levin. You do have to like bipartisonship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 11/16/2008

The Congressional Republicans are lost in a world of blinding light and mirrors encircled by dogma no less dangerous to a nation's survival than the dogma of the defunction Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Unrestrained and "free market" economies and "free private enterprise" exist only in the minds of these moribund legislators. In real life the attempt of unrestrained business and trade is monopoly, concentration of wealth, and winner take all. The most dangerous moment in an organization's existence is when fanatical held ideas drive its purposes and goals

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 11/16/2008
- Lupin77 I'm a Fan of Lupin77 6 fans permalink

These companies should be allowed to fail. Giving them money now will only lead to more requests for funds in 3 months or less - they are failing and getting involved with them is a losing proposition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 11/16/2008
- Hawka I'm a Fan of Hawka 9 fans permalink

And not helping them means what to you exactly?? Interested in seeing the Great Depression first hand do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 11/16/2008
- killpack I'm a Fan of killpack 4 fans permalink

The failure of the auto industry will have no effect on me. Why? Well, that's an easy one. Because I have NO ties to the auto industry. But let's say I did have ties to it, because we should always put ourselves in other people's shoes, right? If I had ANY ties to the failing auto industry I would cut my losses RIGHT NOW. I would surely hope I had enough pride and integrity to not FORCE someone else to bail me out. I'm not to proud to ask for help when I legitimately need it. That means I can't afford to buy groceries any more because I've already turned off the cable, sold the plasma TV, sold my boat, downsized my housing, etc. Some laid off GM employees may reach this point, and they are totally in the right to ask for help. However, I will NEVER approve of any effort in Congress to give TAXPAYER money to General Motors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 11/16/2008

Allowing our nations manufacturing base to die will guarantee a major depression, and greatly hurt our national security. Destroying the unions, at all cost is what the neo-cons want. The rest of the middle class will quickly follow, and America will return to the ruling--and peon classes. Reaganomics has taught us just how ugly--and dangerous--the depths of greed really is.

Three great forces rule the world: stupidity, fear and greed.
--Albert Einstein

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 11/16/2008
- wendynyc I'm a Fan of wendynyc 10 fans permalink

We need to decide which is going to cost more - bailing out the automakers or not bailing them out.

Generally unemployed workers cost a lot more in multiplier effects. The current management should be replaced and let the workers become part owners of these companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 11/16/2008
- iambusto I'm a Fan of iambusto 5 fans permalink

"let the workers become part owners of these companies." sure if they want to buy F/GM stock they can even today !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 11/16/2008
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