Franken's Position Looks Surprisingly Good, New Political Study Shows

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First Posted: 11-17-08 05:38 PM   |   Updated: 12-18-08 05:12 AM

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Despite trailing his opponent by slightly more than two hundred votes, Democratic challenger Al Franken stands a strong chance of passing Sen. Norm Coleman during the upcoming recount, according to at least one prominent political scientist.

Professor Michael C. Herron of Dartmouth College, has put together a new study of the voting patterns in Minnesota, in the process determining that the majority of voters who cast unrecorded ballots in the Senate race were likely Franken supporters.

"If someone put a gun to my head and said, 'You have to bet,' I would bet Franken," Herron said, when reached by phone. "It won't be a wipe-out. Two hundred votes is effectively tied. We just know that, in this case, Democrats tend to [screw up their ballots] more often [than Republicans]." In Minnesota, the "intent" of the voter is considered during recounts.

According to Herron's analysis, of the 2.9 million people who went to the polls in Minnesota, there were approximately 34,000 residual voters in the Senate race. In other words, there were 34,000 more ballots cast than total number of recorded votes for all the Senate candidates.

Why the difference? A good portion of voters, Herron concludes, voted in the presidential election but deliberately did not vote for a Senate candidate. These people won't matter when it comes to a recount.

There is, however, a portion of the 34,000 who intended to vote for one of the Senate candidates but messed up. Voters were supposed to fill in the circle next to the name of the candidate they supported. Some, however, marked X's. Others circled the name itself or crossed out the names of candidates they didn't like.

This group is key to determining the Minnesota Senate victor.

In his study, Herron looked at the figures from the 2006 congressional election and the 2008 presidential election to determine which areas of the state have the most residual voters. By isolating these areas, Herron could determine which group was most likely to have wanted to vote one way but failed to cast their ballots properly.

He found that the majority of residual voters came from two, not necessarily distinct places: African American communities and traditionally Democratic communities. With the former, he theorized, there was likely a "turnout surge" -- many people went to the polls to support Barack Obama and no one else (or at least not Franken). The latter, however, contained voters who "almost certainly intended to cast a vote in the Senate race [and likely for Franken] but for some reason did not do so."

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How big that group is, is crucial. And a way to figure it out is to first look at how Barack Obama and John McCain fared in the state.

According to Herron there was an approximately 0.34 percent residual vote rate in presidential race voting among Minnesotans. This means that of the 2.9 million votes cast for a presidential candidate, nearly 10,000 individuals wanted to vote but screwed up. There may have been people who wanted to vote in local and congressional contests, but not the presidential race. But this group is likely quite small.

In other words, there are probably somewhere between 8,000 and 10,000 Minnesota voters who had clear problems filling out a ballot when voting for all contests (Senate and presidential). Many of these individuals, moreover, hailed from Democratic communities.

"Ultimately, the anticipated recount may clarify the relative proportions of intentional versus unintentional residual voters," writes Herron. "At present, though, the data available suggest that the recount will uncover many of the former and that, of the latter, a majority will likely prove to be supportive of Franken."

All Franken needs is to win more than 207 votes from this group than Coleman, and he will take over the Senate seat.

Despite trailing his opponent by slightly more than two hundred votes, Democratic challenger Al Franken stands a strong chance of passing Sen. Norm Coleman during the upcoming recount, according to at...
Despite trailing his opponent by slightly more than two hundred votes, Democratic challenger Al Franken stands a strong chance of passing Sen. Norm Coleman during the upcoming recount, according to at...
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Al Franken republican light!
Wait till its time for criminal investigations.
Hed love for the FDA to study Medical Marijuana Forever (like Shaheen and Hillary)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 11/18/2008

What is the problem? I believe MJ should be legal since it has never caused the death of any living soul (unlike booze & cigarettes) and hemp, a cousin to marijuana that does not have the chemical compounds, which are far better for the earth than pesticides that poison the ground and are probably cancer causing agents. And I don't imbibe, just using common sense.
A Senator casts many votes on a wide range of issues and Washington is WAY lacking in common sense so we welcome Senator Al Franken and Prez Elect BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!
Go visit a Rethug website if ther are any left! Bye, now...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 11/18/2008

Being nasty is now out of style aka karl rove.
The new and improved Obama adminstration plans to rule all Americans in a positive way. Get with the program!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 11/18/2008
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Go pester some reich-wingers. You are so yesterday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 11/18/2008

It's not cheating to count votes, georgiaR. This is still a democracy. It is cheating to suppress votes, take kickbacks and gifts, and play dirty as Coleman, Stevens and Chambliss should know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 11/18/2008
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...hence Coleman's valiant, but futile, efforts to STOP a recount.
'nice' try; sorry; won't happen; good bye!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 11/18/2008
- MIKEBC I'm a Fan of MIKEBC 26 fans permalink
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HEY COLEMAN, I HOPE THE RECOUNT IS JUST AS HONEST AS YOUR TV COMMERCIALS WERE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 11/18/2008
- GravitonX I'm a Fan of GravitonX 55 fans permalink
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I didn't need a study to tell me that in a race with over 2 million voters and a 200 vote difference that a recount would go in favor of the Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 11/18/2008

YUP, THAT REALLY WORKED OUT FOR US IN 2000.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 11/18/2008
- outmost1 I'm a Fan of outmost1 2 fans permalink
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It would have if the recount actually happened.

"Those who don't know history are destined to vote republican" - LM 2004

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 11/18/2008
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They never actually did the recount in 2000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 11/18/2008
- cucumber I'm a Fan of cucumber 27 fans permalink

That was the whole point of the Supreme Court decision - the votes weren't counted in Florida. Read up on the 2000 election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 11/19/2008
- kylie I'm a Fan of kylie 25 fans permalink

Gore won by a half million votes that went Uncounted thanks to Harris and her magic broom connected to the Bush campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 11/20/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 93 fans permalink

One Franken for 1/2 a Lieberman .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 11/18/2008

Interesting, the poster states that democrats tend to mess up their ballots much more often than do republicans. I wonder why? I wonder where he got that from?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 11/18/2008
- Pippilin I'm a Fan of Pippilin 4 fans permalink

I don't know, but I do know that when asked to fill out a form that asks for a check mark, I will put
an 'X', or use a ball point pen when told to use a #2 pencil. I think that I tend to skip the directions and use the method that makes most sense, but don't do so intentionally. I'm a Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 11/18/2008
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Stein did NOT state that. He quoted Professor Michael C. Herron of Dartmouth College. That's where he got that from. Maybe you could try reading the article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 11/18/2008
- kylie I'm a Fan of kylie 25 fans permalink

"democrats tend to mess up their ballots much more often than do republicans".
Hmm, that's 'cause so many wonderful Republicans like to fix or double fix their ballots for them!
Sweet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 11/20/2008

That would be excellent if Franken wins and gets rid of Coleman once and for all. This Senate seat was the wonderful Paul Wellstone's who was killed in a plane crash and Coleman took over his seat and should have never had it. It was an insult to Wellstone and everything he believed in. The time has come for some justice, having the seat returned to the Democrats to finish the work Paul Wellstone cared about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 11/18/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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"Coleman took over his seat and should have never had it."

No, the people of Minnesota voted for Coleman in an election. In the US, offices are not hereditary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 11/18/2008
- WaspMan I'm a Fan of WaspMan 2 fans permalink
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Actually, Senator Wellstone (D) died in a plane crash about ten days before the election, which he would have won easily. Mondale was quickly selected to take his place on the Ballot, but had only days to campaign. He lost by 1/2%.

So Coleman "won", but you could hardly choose an easier way to take a seat in the US Senate.

Finally, the recount that is now underway is required by state law. Coleman may feel that he should be coronated, but that's not how we do it in the US.

We count the votes. All of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 11/18/2008

I don't think his plane was the reason Wellstone died. Who was in power then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 11/18/2008
- bmonaghan I'm a Fan of bmonaghan 5 fans permalink
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Democrats tend to screw up their ballots. Republicans tend to screw up elections. It all comes out in the wash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 11/18/2008
- StillweRise I'm a Fan of StillweRise 121 fans permalink
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these last 8 years have been some wash, huh??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 11/19/2008
- kylie I'm a Fan of kylie 25 fans permalink

Republicans tend to screw up Democrats ballots--got that, Ace?
We are just tired of "Default Elections".
Unfortunately, the wash comes out way too slow.
Then we are all stuck with ringers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 11/21/2008
- MNCurler I'm a Fan of MNCurler 6 fans permalink

It's truly amazing to me that every time you hear of a voting issue it only effects the Democrats. Why is that? Could it be that the Republicans are just that much more intelligent than the Democrats? I vote in Minneasota and as a previous post said it can's get any easier than that- just take a marker and fill in the oval next to your candidate choice. If you can't do that right then you probably have no buisness voting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 11/18/2008
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"If you can't do that right then you probably have no buisness voting."

Is that a new rule?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 11/18/2008
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No, Republicans have always to disenfranchise voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 11/18/2008
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..brrrrr..­...

I felt a cold chill are I read that some people "probably have no business voting" If you voted for McCain, you know what emotionals he tirggered by being a republican. You wasted your ability to think rationally yet you'd deny another the right to vote because he or she erred on his or her ballot. And no, you can't shred it and get a second chance to fill out the ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/18/2008

In my county in red Tennessee you get 3 tries. Three strikes, you're out! But that was in early voting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 11/18/2008
- myskylark I'm a Fan of myskylark 13 fans permalink

You didn't mean that people who use a check mark instead of an "x" should not be allowed to vote, or did you? How terribly elitist of you. Are you sure you're not an Obama supporter at heart?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 11/18/2008

It's because Republicans have the greater portion of anal-retentives in the population. They take their time and fill in the little bubble perfectly for each race. Democrats have things to do outside of the voting booth - like changing the world for the better. : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 11/18/2008
- WaspMan I'm a Fan of WaspMan 2 fans permalink
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Dems have a higher percentage of first time voters, naturalized, and elderly voters. The first timers are young and inexperienced, while many of the older folks can't see very well, and their hands aren't as steady as they once were.

But by all means, disenfranchise them, as long as it helps your cause, Curler.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 11/18/2008

This recount needs to happen TODAY because the waiting is driving me INSANE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 11/18/2008
- teasley I'm a Fan of teasley 5 fans permalink

"Democrats tend to screw up their ballots more than Republican­s." I'm confused, all through the election process we were told that Democrats are young college educated thinkers and republicans are of the high school dropout class. In Minnesota (at least where I vote) you are given a ballot and a marker. The instructions clearly state to color in the oval beside the candidate of choice. You don't even need to stay in the lines. It's really quite simple, but I assume when all is said and done we will discover hundreds of Democrats who just couldn't get it right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 11/18/2008
- garymc8 I'm a Fan of garymc8 33 fans permalink

Republicans tend to screw up counting ballots more than Democrats. Blah, blah, blah...but I assume when all is said and done we will discover hundreds of Republicans who just couldn't get it right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 11/18/2008
- brashier I'm a Fan of brashier 2 fans permalink

Sure. If you say so. As long as your cute little story ends with your guy losing...f­ine by me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 11/18/2008

It isn't a democrat or republican thing, it's about counting. It was a close race, so they are recounting. Not complicated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 11/18/2008
- mari2JJ I'm a Fan of mari2JJ 37 fans permalink

Actually it is not quite that simple. Partially filled in voting areas are not counted automatically by the voting machines. They become part of the recount, and the reason for the difference is found during a recount.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 11/20/2008
- tre I'm a Fan of tre 12 fans permalink

Not according to the Minneapolis Star:

http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/34607244.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 11/18/2008
- Lagrangian I'm a Fan of Lagrangian 2 fans permalink

Franken actually ended up selling me two copies, one as a gift, of "Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: a Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" as a result of BillO's fatuous law suit. I hadn't heard of it before that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 11/18/2008
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 63 fans permalink

Thank God !!
Finally Some Good News !!
AS a Baby Boomer and Democrat I will be very disgusted if the Senate Gives Lieberman his Homeland Security job back !
He has done NOTHING to help secure this great Nation and I am Pisssed off, but like the rest of the American Citizenry I will just have to go along and keep paying Bush's War Bills !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 11/18/2008

Agreed! He thought McCain would choose him as VP, that's why he endorsed him. As we say here in the South, he sh#t his nest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 11/18/2008
- StillweRise I'm a Fan of StillweRise 121 fans permalink
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guys... it sucks... but we need his vote...

let us dems be as ruthlessly shrewd as we need to be to take and put power into the hands of people who actually give a damn about people...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 11/19/2008
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