Franken's Position Looks Surprisingly Good, New Political Study Shows

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First Posted: 11-17-08 05:38 PM   |   Updated: 12-18-08 05:12 AM

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Despite trailing his opponent by slightly more than two hundred votes, Democratic challenger Al Franken stands a strong chance of passing Sen. Norm Coleman during the upcoming recount, according to at least one prominent political scientist.

Professor Michael C. Herron of Dartmouth College, has put together a new study of the voting patterns in Minnesota, in the process determining that the majority of voters who cast unrecorded ballots in the Senate race were likely Franken supporters.

"If someone put a gun to my head and said, 'You have to bet,' I would bet Franken," Herron said, when reached by phone. "It won't be a wipe-out. Two hundred votes is effectively tied. We just know that, in this case, Democrats tend to [screw up their ballots] more often [than Republicans]." In Minnesota, the "intent" of the voter is considered during recounts.

According to Herron's analysis, of the 2.9 million people who went to the polls in Minnesota, there were approximately 34,000 residual voters in the Senate race. In other words, there were 34,000 more ballots cast than total number of recorded votes for all the Senate candidates.

Why the difference? A good portion of voters, Herron concludes, voted in the presidential election but deliberately did not vote for a Senate candidate. These people won't matter when it comes to a recount.

There is, however, a portion of the 34,000 who intended to vote for one of the Senate candidates but messed up. Voters were supposed to fill in the circle next to the name of the candidate they supported. Some, however, marked X's. Others circled the name itself or crossed out the names of candidates they didn't like.

This group is key to determining the Minnesota Senate victor.

In his study, Herron looked at the figures from the 2006 congressional election and the 2008 presidential election to determine which areas of the state have the most residual voters. By isolating these areas, Herron could determine which group was most likely to have wanted to vote one way but failed to cast their ballots properly.

He found that the majority of residual voters came from two, not necessarily distinct places: African American communities and traditionally Democratic communities. With the former, he theorized, there was likely a "turnout surge" -- many people went to the polls to support Barack Obama and no one else (or at least not Franken). The latter, however, contained voters who "almost certainly intended to cast a vote in the Senate race [and likely for Franken] but for some reason did not do so."

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How big that group is, is crucial. And a way to figure it out is to first look at how Barack Obama and John McCain fared in the state.

According to Herron there was an approximately 0.34 percent residual vote rate in presidential race voting among Minnesotans. This means that of the 2.9 million votes cast for a presidential candidate, nearly 10,000 individuals wanted to vote but screwed up. There may have been people who wanted to vote in local and congressional contests, but not the presidential race. But this group is likely quite small.

In other words, there are probably somewhere between 8,000 and 10,000 Minnesota voters who had clear problems filling out a ballot when voting for all contests (Senate and presidential). Many of these individuals, moreover, hailed from Democratic communities.

"Ultimately, the anticipated recount may clarify the relative proportions of intentional versus unintentional residual voters," writes Herron. "At present, though, the data available suggest that the recount will uncover many of the former and that, of the latter, a majority will likely prove to be supportive of Franken."

All Franken needs is to win more than 207 votes from this group than Coleman, and he will take over the Senate seat.

Despite trailing his opponent by slightly more than two hundred votes, Democratic challenger Al Franken stands a strong chance of passing Sen. Norm Coleman during the upcoming recount, according to at...
Despite trailing his opponent by slightly more than two hundred votes, Democratic challenger Al Franken stands a strong chance of passing Sen. Norm Coleman during the upcoming recount, according to at...
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Coleman must be shitting bricks... Ha Ha Ha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 11/17/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 643 fans permalink
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Out with the Criminals!
In with the Intellectuals!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 11/17/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Well put.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 11/17/2008
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Al Franken has twice the brain power as Ahnahld. He probably could balance a budget w ithout destroying schools hospitals and police/fire, too. How could anay governor have the audacity to propose a cut of 5 bil. to already-cash-strapped schools? Right now they are trying to figure out how to trim a bare- bones budget. Someone offered school ending in May or c utting out Fridays but that is a ridiculous cut in pay for teachers who have not seen a cost of living raise in several years. They should begin by firing the school board which stupidly passed a bond that only covered new construction. There are ridiculous numbers of outside contracters and CEOs sucking the LA schools dry.. Put principals back in the classroom. I don't know what hispitals and police/fire can do. The results are obvious on the news: we've not enough to fight crime or fires
Yes, I think Al would surround himself with bright people such as he who could come to a reasonable solution, not waste time and energy playing the blame game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 11/17/2008
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 616 fans permalink
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"Al Franken has twice the brain power as Ahnahld."

Not a great accomplishment.

Make it ten times. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 11/17/2008
- RRG64 I'm a Fan of RRG64 51 fans permalink
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lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 11/17/2008

Exactly Sportswoman. I'm a Californian and I am lucky enough to make decent money during this garbage Bush economy....so start TAXING ME. I'm proud to pay my taxes to make this state great again and I am sick of whiny millionaire republicans complaining about doing anything to help make the government solvent again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 11/17/2008
- Badfickle I'm a Fan of Badfickle 133 fans permalink

You are a Patriot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 11/17/2008
- cuomofied I'm a Fan of cuomofied 19 fans permalink

So why not overpay and not accept a refund? Nobody is stopping you from doing that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 11/17/2008
- Bluedanube I'm a Fan of Bluedanube 55 fans permalink

How refreshing. Someone with money that realizes they have a social responsibility. You chose wisely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 11/17/2008
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I'm a Californian, too, and I agree. This state has been in the toi let for quite a while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 11/17/2008
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Blue collar workers should hope Franken wins as if Coleman gets another term he will probably successful this time shiving the right ti work down our throats. Union busting seems to be the goal these days from the GOP. What are they so afraid of other than fair labor?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 11/17/2008

News for you. The unions are holding the Democratic Puppet Strings for Franken ei al. and want to do away with the secret ballot for joining a union. Whether the stooge Franken wins this or not, I doubt that the Dems can get 60 senators to go along with doing away with the secret ballot.

Labor goons are out-of-touch with American and that's the reason union membership is on the decline. The jerks at GM would rather see the company go bankrupt than to try to work out a deal that might save the company.

Interesting comment in the article that Democratic Voters tend to be dumb. Food for thought.

Sueinmn, did you have trouble figuring out the ballot also? Maybe if you can't figure out a ballot, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 11/17/2008
- Bluedanube I'm a Fan of Bluedanube 55 fans permalink

EOS, when was the last time you read a book? O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh do not count as authors. Cretin!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 11/17/2008
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Which one sank their fangs into you then fed you their blood?

That's still how they still make republicans, correct?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 11/17/2008

No EOSBlue, the reason union membership is on the decline is that the Repugs have pulled the scaffold out from under them. They wanted to destroy the unions in this country, and they did. Now, we have virtually no manufacturing jobs, except for Detroit(and aren't they special?), outsorced everything to China who is making tons of money on us thanks to WalMart, and we are totally dependent on Mexicans to rebuild our country where they aren't allowed in. Who else will work like dogs for nothing? Thanks to the Mexicans, at least we have something getting done. Americans can't afford to feed their families on $5.00/hour that they are willing to work for. At least they have a 9:1 exchange rate that they can send home. Peace!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 11/17/2008
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Labor Goons is a term created by business to prevent collective bargaining and keep them in an inequal relationship one-on-one with each employee. Look to your history, circa 1880s and 1890s. Who was hireing goons to attack the opposition. The working man on strike was fighting profesional thus for his right to unionize. Why are you against fairness?

Maybe if you can't figure out evolution, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. How old is earth?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 11/18/2008
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They're afraid work will be rewarded over wealth. Not good for their beneficiaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 11/17/2008
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Wow. There is no part of that headline that doesn't piss republicans off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 11/17/2008

That's because they know it's true.I quit responding to them for the most part,they're just so funny when when they're pissed.But if you want real hilarity.....60?Can you imagine the meltdown at 60?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 11/17/2008
- midwestdoc I'm a Fan of midwestdoc 4 fans permalink

Unfortunately the Dartmouth study assumes that nearly all POTUS undervotes are unintentional. The official hand audit of 5% of MN precincts shows that's very far from the case. Franken may have really won, but the Dartmouth study isn't relevant evidence, post-audit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 11/17/2008
- plages I'm a Fan of plages 19 fans permalink

Congratulations! And, don't forget to ask Norm if he'd like to be your driver!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 11/17/2008

People should not underestimate Franken who is a very intelligent man. Yes, he has a past as a satirist and he was good at it, and if it wasn't your kind of humor, so be it. Different strokes.......
However, I had listened quite frequently to AirAmerican when I lived in MN and he was always on the side of the hard working, honest American who was just trying to make it in this world.
He would be a very asute senator and I really hope he gets elected!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 11/17/2008
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I never really cared for Franken's humor. I love his politics, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 11/17/2008
- midwestdoc I'm a Fan of midwestdoc 4 fans permalink

64k votes would have left GA as a runoff. It wouldn't even have given Martin a plurality. It's upsetting, but not as consequential as what you say.

Just one more reason to contribute to Martin in the runoff. We have a chance to fix this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 11/17/2008
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Up with Franken!.

Down with Coleman. (the sleaze)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 11/17/2008
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You know, if Al really was Stuart Smalley, he would still make a better Senator than that corrupt clone of a dime-store mannequin Coleman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 11/17/2008

Al Franken is a brilliant man. A Harvard grad, he has spoken to graduation classes at Harvard more than once and has been politically active for years. I think he will make a great senator. GO AL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 11/17/2008
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Al signed my Franken yard sign at a rally. Hes a great speaker!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 11/17/2008
- SlithyTove I'm a Fan of SlithyTove 11 fans permalink

Just imagine...if we had Instant Runoff Voting (IRV, www.fairvote.org) Franken would already have won fair and square, and by a sizable margin. And Bush would have lost in 2000.

How many more times do we have to suffer through scenarios like this (with Dean Barkley playing the role in Minnesota that Nader did in Florida in 2000) before we come to our collective senses and institute voting reforms?

- IRV
- Extended/weekend voting/(insert your idea here)
- Incentives for individuals to vote (small tax rebate, lottery ticket) & disincentives to not voting (akin to skipping jury duty)
- Changes to ensure real knock-down-drag-out debates between candidates, rather than canned speeches and insubstantial, stage-managed and teleprompted appearances
- Real campaign finance reform and total transparency in funding

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 11/17/2008
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Deomcrats tend to be imigrants. many of which dont understand the lanquage. they have become legal citizens and have every right to vote. are all republics ignorant??????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 11/17/2008
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Replying to sueinmn:

What is your point, exactly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 11/17/2008
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I don't think she knows what she's saying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 11/17/2008
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Why do bloggers such as yourself who insult (or make generalizations) about minority and immigrants show your stupidity by not using spell check on top of using pathetic grammar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 11/17/2008
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Huh?
The majority of white, college-educated whites in PA voted democrat. I don't disagree that immigrants who have naturalized have the right to vote, but they are not the only democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 11/17/2008
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Inserting Al Freakin' into the Senate = Sculpting Goofy onto Mt. Rushmore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 11/17/2008
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Geranium = Sayruh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 11/17/2008
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I don't live in MN and don't give a whit about Coleman, but would rather see another Rep. in the Senate, especially instead of a lunkhead like Al Franken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 11/17/2008

Have you taken a good look at Norm Coleman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 11/17/2008
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Let me correct that:

Sculpting Goofy onto Mt. Rushmore = Naming anything after GWB

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 11/17/2008
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Including sewage treatment plants? SF will be disappointed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 11/17/2008
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Inserting Norm Coleman into the Senate = putting Ponzi in charge of the IRS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 11/17/2008
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Goofy's been in the White House the last eight years. Yosemite Sam has been Secretary of War. payback's comin', fascists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 11/17/2008
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