Obama Advisers: Torture Prosecutions Not Likely

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LARA JAKES JORDAN | November 18, 2008 12:21 AM EST | AP

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President-elect Barack Obama pauses during his meeting with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., not shown, Monday, Nov. 17, 2008, at his transition office in downtown Chicago. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists during the George W. Bush presidency. Obama, who has criticized the use of torture, is being urged by some constitutional scholars and human rights groups to investigate possible war crimes by the Bush administration.

Two Obama advisers said there's little _ if any _ chance that the incoming president's Justice Department will go after anyone involved in authorizing or carrying out interrogations that provoked worldwide outrage.

The advisers spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans are still tentative. A spokesman for Obama's transition team did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

Additionally, the question of whether to prosecute may never become an issue if Bush issues pre-emptive pardons to protect those involved.

Obama has committed to reviewing interrogations on al-Qaida and other terror suspects. After he takes office in January, Obama is expected to create a panel modeled after the 9/11 Commission to study interrogations, including those using waterboarding and other tactics that critics call torture. The panel's findings would be used to ensure that future interrogations are undisputedly legal.

"I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture, and I'm going to make sure that we don't torture," Obama said Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes." "Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world."

Obama's most ardent supporters are split on whether he should prosecute Bush officials.

Asked this weekend during a Vermont Public Radio interview if Bush administration officials would face war crimes, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy flatly said, "In the United States, no."

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"These things are not going to happen," said Leahy, D-Vt.

Robert Litt, a former top Clinton administration Justice Department prosecutor, said Obama should focus on moving forward with anti-torture policy instead of looking back.

"Both for policy and political reasons, it would not be beneficial to spend a lot of time hauling people up before Congress or before grand juries and going over what went on," Litt said at a Brookings Institution discussion about Obama's legal policy. "To as great of an extent we can say, the last eight years are over, now we can move forward _ that would be beneficial both to the country and the president, politically."

But Michael Ratner, a professor at Columbia Law School and president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, said prosecuting Bush officials is necessary to set future anti-torture policy.

"The only way to prevent this from happening again is to make sure that those who were responsible for the torture program pay the price for it," Ratner said. "I don't see how we regain our moral stature by allowing those who were intimately involved in the torture programs to simply walk off the stage and lead lives where they are not held accountable."

In the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the White House authorized U.S. interrogators to use harsh tactics on captured al-Qaida and Taliban suspects. Bush officials relied on a 2002 Justice Department legal memo to assert that its interrogations did not amount to torture _ and therefore did not violate U.S. or international laws. That memo has since been rescinded.

At least three top al-Qaida operatives _ including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed _ were waterboarded in 2002 and 2003 because of intelligence officials' belief that more attacks were imminent. Waterboarding creates the sensation of drowning, and has been traced back hundreds of years and is condemned by nations worldwide.

Bush could take the issue of criminal charges off the table with one stroke of his pardons pen.

Whether Bush will protect his top aides and interrogators with a pre-emptive pardon _ before they are ever charged _ has become a hot topic of discussion in legal and political circles in the administration's waning days. White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto declined to comment on the issue.

Under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled.

Pre-emptive pardons would be highly controversial, but former White House counsel Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. said it would protect those who were following orders or otherwise trying to protect the nation.

"I know of no one who acted in reckless disregard of U.S. law or international law," said Culvahouse, who served under President Ronald Reagan. "It's just not good for the intelligence community and the defense community to have people in the field, under exigent circumstances, being told these are the rules, to be exposed months and years after the fact to criminal prosecution."

The Federalist Papers discourage presidents from pardoning themselves. It took former President Gerald Ford to clear former President Richard Nixon of wrongdoing in the 1972 Watergate break-in.

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists d...
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists d...
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Obama is trying to lull Bush into not giving blanket pardons for these criminals. Look at the big picture for once. You don't telegraph your plan to prosecute or investigate to Bush or anyone else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 11/21/2008

He should have made Patrick Fitzgerald the new AG--he is just like Eliott Ness and he would have gone after the crooks. But the Chicago crowd want to keep him in Illinois to go after the crooks here.

I fear you are correct about this being like Pelosi in 2006. I believe (with zero evidence) she made a deal with Bush--promising no impeachment IF he fired Rumsfeld, which he did the next day. So she kept her word. At least she got something for it.

Obama's not getting anything for his generosity. And I also think it a mistake. A people need justice before they can move on--remember South Africa. We are a nation of laws, and if there aren't any laws now, then they need to pass some. But I disagree with some of the others--those at the top should get the worst punishment, while those at the bottom get dishonorable discharge or something--not jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 11/19/2008

A pre-emptive pardon? Does that guy never tire of coming up with novel interpretations of the U.S. Constitution? Hogwash! That would not stand up--and if it did then I guess Congress needs to address that somehow--amendment, anyone?

About prosecutions--I understand those guys are all buddies there in Washington, and Obama wants to play nice to get their cooperation on his new agenda. Unfortunately, that sends the message to future presidental aspirants that they can get away with it. And why wouldn't they think that? Just like Bush/Chene­y/Rove/Ric­e did, after Ford pardoned Nixon for a federal crime, 'to spare the country'? Even then, though, some of them did go to prison.

No one wanted to 'spare the country' the intricacies of Bill's sex life in 1998. Nevertheless, perhaps the investigation and revelation of the horrors of Guantanamo­--recently revealed clearly in Jane Mayer's book, will come out and those responsible will be shamed publicly. Maybe that is enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 11/19/2008
- Heleric I'm a Fan of Heleric 6 fans permalink
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I think Obama means well and focusing on the future instead of the past is probably the right perspective to have right now. But on the other hand I believe it is imperative that members of the Bush administration, Contractors like Haliburton and Blackwater and any other criminals from the past 8 years should be tried and prosecuted. America really needs to address these crimes to help prevent them from happening in the future.

My theory is that when Bush is officially out of office you are are going to see people coming out of the woodwork to clear their conscience. Maybe Bush's cousin will admit to helping our President take down the towers in an effort to rally the people behind an illegal war. Or maybe Powell will admit that he knew he what he was telling us was false. Perhaps a high ranking miltary official will come forward and confirm what most of us believed all along...th­at Rumsfeld encouraged torture.

As much as Obama wants to move forward, there is no way he will be able to turn a blind eye when incriminating evidence starts pouring in.

It will probably take a decade or so but we will one day finally learn the truth. And when we do I hope every American stops and thinks to themself. How the hell could we be so stupid. NEVER AGAIN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 11/18/2008
- fedupinfla I'm a Fan of fedupinfla 48 fans permalink
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I agree with your theory....­unfortunat­ely....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 11/19/2008
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The obama fever will quickly vanish as you see him do less and less of what he said he would do.
"Change, that can't happen"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 11/18/2008
- fedupinfla I'm a Fan of fedupinfla 48 fans permalink
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Some of the "change" won't be ABLE to happen thanks to Bush's hamstringing & economic schenanigans. And believe it or not, I don't expect him to be able to accomplish EVERYTHING he promised during the campaign. But you know what? I at least know that he's WORKING towards it. I know that everything isn't going to happen overnight. We sure didn't get into this mess overnight so I'm not expecting miracles.

But Obama's vision of the future of this country resonated with me so I for one am going to trust him & his judgement.­...but I'll be watching..­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 11/19/2008
- yasmeen I'm a Fan of yasmeen 2 fans permalink

democrats are career sissies. repubs count on it, that's why bush/cheney/rove acted like they owned us. they know they will get away with it. persecution isn't about looking back, but justice. from what i read elsewhere the investigation will lead to persecutions after they determine crimes have been committed, but down bet the farm on it. go to www.change.gov and vent about this. it is the only way to get their attention. it worked for the hillary offer....t­hey know we are seething.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 11/18/2008

I meant, of course, that defense =wasn't= good at the Nuremberg trials of the 20th century!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 11/18/2008

"not the line people in the field who are just following what they perceive as legal orders"

That's rich: If I recall, that defense was good at the Nuremberg trials of the 20th century.

Prosecute them all, from the grunt to the POTUS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 11/18/2008
- Palemoon I'm a Fan of Palemoon 197 fans permalink
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Just like when Jefferson said that the tree of liberty would need to be pruned from time to time with the blood of patriots, we also could say that the pruned parts were the blood of traitors. And they MUST be dealt with if our Constitution is to stand on it's own, and our moral and civic duties and sense of Justice are to remain intact.

All in all, this appears to be nothing more than a repeat of the 2006 election when all those freshly annointed Democrats said they wouldn't pursue any charges. That is not only a travesty of justice, but is complicity in willfull negligence of a Congressman's duties.

Who are we to look to in order to hold our Government accountable? Do we look to "we the people" since our Government refuses to do our bidding?

Fair warning Mr. Obama. Tread carefully in how you treat these criminals. If you allow them to walk away, it will come back to haunt you with protests in the streets, and your career ending in 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 11/18/2008

BAD MOVE:

1. This is akin to Pelosi's taking impeachment "off the table." It is basically a blank check for the Bush administration to KEEP ON committing crimes. (Of course Pelosi does have blood on her hands from her time on the intelligence oversight committee.­)

2. Clinton dropped the investigations into Iran-Contra, BCCI, and Iraqgate in the name of "moving on" and "healing". You know what happened to him: the Republicans prosecuted him. Then all the people who should have been imprisoned came back to serve in the second Bush administration and commit a new round of crimes.

Mark my words: if Obama doesn't prosecute these villains, they will just come back and use their nefarious black-bag infrastructure attack Obama later, and ultimately regain power again under the next Bush-Reagan crime gang administration.

They must be purged from government now and be kept out forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 11/18/2008
- Palemoon I'm a Fan of Palemoon 197 fans permalink
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BEST POST EVER!!! You are so right about that. And the proper way to "move on" is to hold criminals accountable and to restore faith in Justice. Moving on without punishment, is nothing more than looking the other way and allowing criminal activity to foster.

Where is Elliot Ness when you need him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 11/18/2008
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Great post - AND now Lie berman has been allowed to keep his seat at obamas request - Exactly what good things have happened since obama got elected? Lie berman, pardon bush, appoint Israeli stooge Emanuel to chief of staff, promote the bail out of the auto industry - Nice start, mr bush, er ah, I mean mr obama. The hand writting is on the wall and he hasn't even been sworn in. Actions speak louder than words and obamas actions are screaming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 11/18/2008
- joanjourne I'm a Fan of joanjourne 8 fans permalink

DrJohnnySkeptic,
I whole-heartedly agree, except that Bush is not the only law-breaker and this was not the only law broken. The fact that a covert agent and her network were outed deserves outrage and severe penalty, as does letting American citizens bake on rooftops for a week in New Orleans while REFUSING critical on-the-scene aid, something I will never EVER get over.

If PRESIDENT Obama (he may have to walk on eggshells until he's sworn in) does not investigate the Bushies' crimes and prosecute them as any other citizens would be prosecuted, he will lose people in droves. We need the LAW to mean something again or we're just an empty shell of "democracy".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 11/18/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 687 fans permalink
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my 2nd disappointment. as a judicial scholar, i expected to see barack seek justice,for those who have lost their lives ,in a war based on lies. fisa was a mistake, also. it is hard for me to be critical of president barack,but, that doesnt ease my disappointment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 11/18/2008
- Bobleblah1 I'm a Fan of Bobleblah1 21 fans permalink

We told you!

Hows that change thing working?

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 11/18/2008
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He is in a precarious situation. To tell the people in power that you will put them in jail after they give you power is not wise. The whole country is in a precarious position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 11/18/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 132 fans permalink
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Here we go. Now he will renege on some of his promises, showing us all he is just another one of the Good ole boys club in dc. Didnt he promise to investigate Bush during the campaign? Change is in the wind ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/18/2008
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