Obama Advisers: Torture Prosecutions Not Likely

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LARA JAKES JORDAN | November 18, 2008 12:21 AM EST | AP

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President-elect Barack Obama pauses during his meeting with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., not shown, Monday, Nov. 17, 2008, at his transition office in downtown Chicago. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists during the George W. Bush presidency. Obama, who has criticized the use of torture, is being urged by some constitutional scholars and human rights groups to investigate possible war crimes by the Bush administration.

Two Obama advisers said there's little _ if any _ chance that the incoming president's Justice Department will go after anyone involved in authorizing or carrying out interrogations that provoked worldwide outrage.

The advisers spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans are still tentative. A spokesman for Obama's transition team did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

Additionally, the question of whether to prosecute may never become an issue if Bush issues pre-emptive pardons to protect those involved.

Obama has committed to reviewing interrogations on al-Qaida and other terror suspects. After he takes office in January, Obama is expected to create a panel modeled after the 9/11 Commission to study interrogations, including those using waterboarding and other tactics that critics call torture. The panel's findings would be used to ensure that future interrogations are undisputedly legal.

"I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture, and I'm going to make sure that we don't torture," Obama said Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes." "Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world."

Obama's most ardent supporters are split on whether he should prosecute Bush officials.

Asked this weekend during a Vermont Public Radio interview if Bush administration officials would face war crimes, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy flatly said, "In the United States, no."

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"These things are not going to happen," said Leahy, D-Vt.

Robert Litt, a former top Clinton administration Justice Department prosecutor, said Obama should focus on moving forward with anti-torture policy instead of looking back.

"Both for policy and political reasons, it would not be beneficial to spend a lot of time hauling people up before Congress or before grand juries and going over what went on," Litt said at a Brookings Institution discussion about Obama's legal policy. "To as great of an extent we can say, the last eight years are over, now we can move forward _ that would be beneficial both to the country and the president, politically."

But Michael Ratner, a professor at Columbia Law School and president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, said prosecuting Bush officials is necessary to set future anti-torture policy.

"The only way to prevent this from happening again is to make sure that those who were responsible for the torture program pay the price for it," Ratner said. "I don't see how we regain our moral stature by allowing those who were intimately involved in the torture programs to simply walk off the stage and lead lives where they are not held accountable."

In the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the White House authorized U.S. interrogators to use harsh tactics on captured al-Qaida and Taliban suspects. Bush officials relied on a 2002 Justice Department legal memo to assert that its interrogations did not amount to torture _ and therefore did not violate U.S. or international laws. That memo has since been rescinded.

At least three top al-Qaida operatives _ including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed _ were waterboarded in 2002 and 2003 because of intelligence officials' belief that more attacks were imminent. Waterboarding creates the sensation of drowning, and has been traced back hundreds of years and is condemned by nations worldwide.

Bush could take the issue of criminal charges off the table with one stroke of his pardons pen.

Whether Bush will protect his top aides and interrogators with a pre-emptive pardon _ before they are ever charged _ has become a hot topic of discussion in legal and political circles in the administration's waning days. White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto declined to comment on the issue.

Under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled.

Pre-emptive pardons would be highly controversial, but former White House counsel Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. said it would protect those who were following orders or otherwise trying to protect the nation.

"I know of no one who acted in reckless disregard of U.S. law or international law," said Culvahouse, who served under President Ronald Reagan. "It's just not good for the intelligence community and the defense community to have people in the field, under exigent circumstances, being told these are the rules, to be exposed months and years after the fact to criminal prosecution."

The Federalist Papers discourage presidents from pardoning themselves. It took former President Gerald Ford to clear former President Richard Nixon of wrongdoing in the 1972 Watergate break-in.

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists d...
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists d...
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I really hope for the first time that Obama is lying strategically. I have been very worried about his health. Making enemies right now when he is yet to receive his presidential powers would be foolish. This is Nancy's job. Impeach now. Don't let Bush pardon himself. This makes me so sad, I can barely look at the article above. If we had prosecuted Nixon to the fullest, if we had prosecuted all of the people in Iran Contra, do you really think those a-holes would have dared to try what they've perpetrated on the American public. There are quotes of Bush saying that they needed an event to make us gotowar with Iraq. We know how they operate, and for the good of our country, and for the good the war, these people need to be prosecuted.

What is the problem with American politics? None of their politicians go to jail.

http://www.democrats.com/pardon

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 11/18/2008
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for the good of the world, not war. made mistake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 11/18/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 100 fans permalink

I don't want to spend four years going after people instead of pursuing Obama's agenda for helping America recover from the economy, loss of jobs, etc. and furthering healthcare and education. But, we must have a way of insuring that no other Bush like authority ever raises it's ugly head in America again. He used executive authority to behave like a dictator in many areas and he attacked values that America has held dear since it's inception. How do we insure that no president can ever engage in un-American and criminal behavior again? We don't want to tie our presidents hands so that they can't act in emergencies, but how do we make it impossible for future presidents to act in lawless, freedom destroying ways and then just pardon every crime they initiate. It seems likely that the Bush administration railroaded Governor Siegleman into prison for political gain. How do we ignore such things and still continue on as the land of the free? We have quite a dilemma before us. If we make it too easy to prosecute a president and his administration, we'll cripple good ones to come. If we make it too hard to prosecute criminal behavior, we'll encourage it. What's the answer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 11/18/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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It's so hard to second guess what's going to happen before O is even sworn in, and while Bush is still president. I'm going to sit back and wait until O is president and making decisions that actually happen before jumping on the bash bandwagon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 11/18/2008
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Ralph Nader is right. Neither party has any courage to do the right thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 11/18/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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"Ralph Nader is right."

You lost any credibility after that, that's the same Ralph Nader who took GOP funds to run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 11/18/2008
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Your source on that?

And who cares about my credibility, I'm just a poster like you. Nobody cares what I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/18/2008
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 71 fans permalink

What is so surprising about this News, Hell Bush has actually gotten away with Thievery , Robbery Turncoat on our Secret Service agents !!
This Jerk is POISON to the American Citizenry !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 11/18/2008
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What can we do? Write to Obama? This is very wrong. This is Nancy Pelosi like weakness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 11/18/2008
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If I lived on the east coast, I would protest in front of the white house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 11/18/2008
- Academic I'm a Fan of Academic 239 fans permalink

Why do I after two years of campaigning and raising money for him and being delighted that my efforts and those of hundreds of millions like me who are desperate for change, get that sinking feeling that Barack Obama is allowing himself to be sucked into the same old business as usual politics that so many Americans and people around the world view as corrupt? Now, if ever there was a time, is the prime opportunity to utilize not only a US but also a world mandate to show that right is right and acts of wrongdoing are precisely that. If those from overwhelmingly Third World countries that are alleged by countries like the United States to be war criminals, torturers and the like can be brought to justice why not Americans who, with greater justification, are accused of being the same? Why justice for those from poor countries but immunity to those who are from rich and powerful ones. As I write the current Bush administration is in the vanguard of demanding retribution for those from Third World countries, fairness also dictates that those from rich western countries and others should be treated exactly the same. And for Barack Obama not to recognise this is a betrayal of all he said he allegedly stands for.

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 11/18/2008
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New favorite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 11/18/2008
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

Professor Dr. Stanley Collymore - Most of us can rejoice that a person of color has been elected to our highest office.

It saddens me though that so many didn't listen closely to the words, examine the votes and notice where the campaign financing came from.

If loyal supporters like yourself continue to speak out you may get the Obama you dreamed of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 11/18/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

I dont agree with Obama on this. I think if you want to restore legitimacy to the Executive Office you have to take steps to ensure that what happened in the Bush administration does not happen again. Its one thing for Obama to say that he wont support torture or engage in it but how can he be sure the incoming President 4 or 8 years from now wont just do what Bush did.

This is bad policy. Those who break the law must be punished or others will come and break that same law. We are not going to have all Presidents that follow the law thats why you make an example of those that dont.

I really hope he changes his mind on this.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 11/18/2008
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Obama is showing he isn't lusting for r evenge with this, he is once again showing that he is a statesman, not a partisan liberal on a witch hunt.

Think about it carol, Obama starts these punishments on those who tortured, and what do the neo cons do? They say "See we told you he was a partisan leftist liberal!"

Obama wants to prove his opposition wrong, which is why he is taking this stance. I agree with what these people did interrogating these prisoners is wrong, but we can't keep living in the past if we are to move forward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 11/18/2008
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This is not revenge. When people commit crimes, they need to go to jail, Democrat and Republican. We live in a nation of laws. It is Nancy's job to police the white house, not Obama's. Obama saying he is not going to prosecute may keep him safe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 11/18/2008
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I cannot understand you position regarding "living in the past" vs "moving forward". Forward, ie the future, is constructed on the past. You can't disconnect from the past and move forward because you cannot disconnect from the past. You don't just pop into existence and a nation, even a new nation, is built upon the past. The past laws, the past opinions, the past actions all form the present and the foundation for the future. Shall we be a nation ruled by laws? Laws are based on past actions deemed antisocial to such a degree that society calls them crimes, and every citizen in America is bound by Law. Nowhere in the Constitution does it indicate that enforcement of the Law is an option. When the President breaks the law he or she shall be impeached by Congress. It's the one check on the power of the President and protects us from despots taking over the government. If Bush gets a pass on the thousands of murders, illegal wire tapping, illegal seizure of civilians and on and on then we have accepted a rotating dictatorship as our form of government. If that's the case, then let's make it official and announce to the world that we are ruled by our President and we are a lawless nation in which the wealthy and powerful control the masses by any means they choose. It's all or nothing. Either we obey they law of the land or we have no laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 11/18/2008
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This is terrible.

We have to make certain this will never happen again. If the criminals skate, it will happen again.

Investigation and prosecuting the Bush administration ought to be the highest priority to correct the course we are on. It's not enough just to pause and veer in a slightly different direction.

The world knows America became as bad as a third world dictatorship and tortured people. The world is watching. We must hold our country accountable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 11/18/2008
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They did a lot more than torture. Who do you think was behindtheantraxattacks? It was directed to all enemies of the Bush administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 11/18/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 263 fans permalink
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JC

Love thine enemies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 11/18/2008
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So... Open the jails?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 11/18/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 263 fans permalink
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Are you a christian or not?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 11/18/2008
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