Obama Advisers: Torture Prosecutions Not Likely

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LARA JAKES JORDAN | November 18, 2008 12:21 AM EST | AP

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President-elect Barack Obama pauses during his meeting with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., not shown, Monday, Nov. 17, 2008, at his transition office in downtown Chicago. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists during the George W. Bush presidency. Obama, who has criticized the use of torture, is being urged by some constitutional scholars and human rights groups to investigate possible war crimes by the Bush administration.

Two Obama advisers said there's little _ if any _ chance that the incoming president's Justice Department will go after anyone involved in authorizing or carrying out interrogations that provoked worldwide outrage.

The advisers spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans are still tentative. A spokesman for Obama's transition team did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

Additionally, the question of whether to prosecute may never become an issue if Bush issues pre-emptive pardons to protect those involved.

Obama has committed to reviewing interrogations on al-Qaida and other terror suspects. After he takes office in January, Obama is expected to create a panel modeled after the 9/11 Commission to study interrogations, including those using waterboarding and other tactics that critics call torture. The panel's findings would be used to ensure that future interrogations are undisputedly legal.

"I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture, and I'm going to make sure that we don't torture," Obama said Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes." "Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world."

Obama's most ardent supporters are split on whether he should prosecute Bush officials.

Asked this weekend during a Vermont Public Radio interview if Bush administration officials would face war crimes, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy flatly said, "In the United States, no."

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"These things are not going to happen," said Leahy, D-Vt.

Robert Litt, a former top Clinton administration Justice Department prosecutor, said Obama should focus on moving forward with anti-torture policy instead of looking back.

"Both for policy and political reasons, it would not be beneficial to spend a lot of time hauling people up before Congress or before grand juries and going over what went on," Litt said at a Brookings Institution discussion about Obama's legal policy. "To as great of an extent we can say, the last eight years are over, now we can move forward _ that would be beneficial both to the country and the president, politically."

But Michael Ratner, a professor at Columbia Law School and president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, said prosecuting Bush officials is necessary to set future anti-torture policy.

"The only way to prevent this from happening again is to make sure that those who were responsible for the torture program pay the price for it," Ratner said. "I don't see how we regain our moral stature by allowing those who were intimately involved in the torture programs to simply walk off the stage and lead lives where they are not held accountable."

In the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the White House authorized U.S. interrogators to use harsh tactics on captured al-Qaida and Taliban suspects. Bush officials relied on a 2002 Justice Department legal memo to assert that its interrogations did not amount to torture _ and therefore did not violate U.S. or international laws. That memo has since been rescinded.

At least three top al-Qaida operatives _ including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed _ were waterboarded in 2002 and 2003 because of intelligence officials' belief that more attacks were imminent. Waterboarding creates the sensation of drowning, and has been traced back hundreds of years and is condemned by nations worldwide.

Bush could take the issue of criminal charges off the table with one stroke of his pardons pen.

Whether Bush will protect his top aides and interrogators with a pre-emptive pardon _ before they are ever charged _ has become a hot topic of discussion in legal and political circles in the administration's waning days. White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto declined to comment on the issue.

Under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled.

Pre-emptive pardons would be highly controversial, but former White House counsel Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. said it would protect those who were following orders or otherwise trying to protect the nation.

"I know of no one who acted in reckless disregard of U.S. law or international law," said Culvahouse, who served under President Ronald Reagan. "It's just not good for the intelligence community and the defense community to have people in the field, under exigent circumstances, being told these are the rules, to be exposed months and years after the fact to criminal prosecution."

The Federalist Papers discourage presidents from pardoning themselves. It took former President Gerald Ford to clear former President Richard Nixon of wrongdoing in the 1972 Watergate break-in.

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists d...
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists d...
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- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 701 fans permalink
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disappointed.......would have loved to see dennis kucinich as att. gen., then would have loved to see this incoming administration seek justice for those who have been killed or injured or tortured ,or held without trial, spied upon,[domestically], and lied to, over and over..... i guess at 'certain times' justice doesn't matter? i support most of barack's judgements,so far, but, this one ,and the vote on FISA confirms that he IS just a man, who makes mistakes like the rest of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/18/2008
- Badbone I'm a Fan of Badbone 11 fans permalink

Prosecuting every single person in the Bush administration that had anything to do with torture would be change. Failing to do so is simply more of the same.

The reason Obama won't prosecute is because he's as much a part of the good ole' boys network as anyone before him. You've heard "cops don;t testify against cops"? Well, presidents don't prosecute other presidents.

It's the same reason Obama voted for the Patriot Act. And FISA wiretapping. And the bank bailout. Power granted to Bush is power granted to Obama. And so it goes.

Nothing has changed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 11/18/2008

There has been a healthy debate going on with this story. First, although I did not support Obama during the election he is now my President and I am confident that he will do what he feels is best for the nation, just has George W. Bush and every other president in the history of our country has done.

It would be extremely unwise for President-Elect Obama to bring charges on anyone for anything of this nature. There are much more important things he needs to focus on without this taking up his time. And doing this would take up a large amount of his time and the media's attention during his term.

Finally, the actions that take place at gitmo are unknown by all except high ranking officials in the government. We should all remember that no matter what has happened there has NOT been an attack on American soil since September 11th, 2001. This would show that the Bush administration has been doing something right. The tactics used to interrogate terror suspects has led to valuable information which has helped the government in the War on Terror. The morality might be a question of debate, but the results are not. We are succeeding to this point, and I have every hope that that will not change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 11/18/2008
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Information obtained by torture is useless, as our own military experts keep telling us, because anyone will say anything to make it stop. The only purpose for it is to create a lot of ready-made "covert information" tailored to what you want to sell the public in the first place. That is just one of the many spectacular reasons why the Founding Fathers explicitly forbid torture, "cruel and unusual punishment," in the Constitution. Some say torture is an interrogation technique, not a punishment, and therefore not covered by this law, but the truth is that when we torture someone we are punishing them for not telling us information, so it is indeed still forbidden. Obviously.

What the hell happened to America that we could even be having this discussion? Go watch some films from WWII and see how we once felt about torture and being American and what our duty to the world was. We thought we were the best, and we tried to act that way, setting a good example and trying to live up to our ideals. What the hell happened???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 11/18/2008

While I agree with some of what you say, I disagree with other parts. I agree we need to set a good example. The fact I am putting forward is that valuable information has been received using these tactics. That is fact. Now, the question is what is torture?

Now, lately we have been asking, what is torture? Is water-boarding considered torture? Is extreme treatment (i.e. bright lights, loud music, dogs, scare tactics) torture? This is an extremely hard question to answer. Why? Because we are not actually harming most (if not all) prisoners. We are simulating harm, causing emotional harm, etc. We are not inflicting physical pain though. Not saying it's right or wrong, I am saying it's needed.

I also want to address you cruel and unusual punishment line. These are not Americans and therefore they do not get the same treatment as American citizens do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 11/18/2008
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 75 fans permalink

This is why I didn't vote for this corporatist.

Every few days, a new let down.

Pelosi wouldn't uphold the law and now Obama not upholding the importance of the Geneva Convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 11/18/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 159 fans permalink

Obama probably does not want these investigations to become the focus of his entire administration, the way the President Ford pardon of Nixon became the focus of his administration. However, Obama should punish policy makers who broke the law and not the line people in the field who are just following what they perceive as legal orders. Without a trial to find criminality for such clearly criminal policy, our country has lost its way, regardless if we change the policy or not. It is forever a stain on our democracy and can easily be repeated by other rogue administrations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 11/18/2008

Obama wants to be a good president for all Americans, not just the nutjobs who voted for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 11/18/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 159 fans permalink

Yes, you mean the 53% of the American public who voted for Obama. You guys are in the minority so get used to it. Obama will do what he promised, while the far right listens to hate commentary by Rush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 11/18/2008
- Amennyc I'm a Fan of Amennyc 16 fans permalink
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thank you Dem's for reinforcing the fact that the Republicans are immune from any prosecution from you much less, themselves. if the shoe was on the other foot, the Republicans would be debating who goes first in the firing squad. weak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 11/18/2008

This guy is turning out to be much better for the country on a few key issues than he were led to think he would be based on what he said in the campaign. No prosecutions for "torture" is just the latest. Add this with the good directions on allowing, in certain cases, for the CIA to use aggressive interrogation techniques not approved by the military; setting up a new special hearing system for gitmo criminals, effectively just keeping them locked up and continuing to fund and deploy missile defense systems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 11/18/2008

What color is the sky on your planet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 11/18/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 159 fans permalink

Rolling, you must be overdosing on Fox again. Obama is not a fascist who makes the laws up as he goes, the way you would like. He said when he enters office he would outlaw torture. He also said he would close Guantanamo and probably use the military courts for hearings. He will hold trials and release those where there is little evidence or those tortured where evidence can not be used. The missile defense system does not work anyway. Rolling, like Fox news you seem to define your own reality!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 11/18/2008
- S1m0n I'm a Fan of S1m0n 101 fans permalink
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Dude, the folks who have been 'leading you to believe' have been lying their faces off at you for a decade, and playing you for a sucker the whole time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/18/2008
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One more time.

We need to send the Democratic party a message. This is no longer business as usual. Nancy needs to be removed. We need to start a viable third party using the same grass roots methods that Obama used. A party of justice. A party that will review all the wrong doing since the Nixon administration. A party for pardon reform. A party that will reinvestigate Iran Contra, reinvestigateCIAinvolvement in the Iranian host age situation, investigate the Bush administration etc. and even the Clinton administration because this is not about partisanship; this is about justice. We need to repeal these grievous pardons and put as many people in jail that we can legally put. We deserve clean government. We need to confront these Democrats who think there is no alternative to them. We need to replace a lot of these Democrats with members of our new party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 11/18/2008

War crimes hearings, trials and prosecution for Bush administration personnel, bring them on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 11/18/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 159 fans permalink

That is the first intelligent thing you've said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 11/18/2008
- reliant1 I'm a Fan of reliant1 24 fans permalink
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How do you start a viable 3rd party?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 11/18/2008
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You have to have the support of the people. You have to take away the votes of the ruling party. You have to define what you support. You have to have people willing to work for it. You have to have your message be more attractive than what the ruling party is offering. I am for a mutitparty system, but I believe that this message can work for one of the parties, a party about justice. We need to do research about countries who have successfully switched to a multiparty system like Denmark and Germany. First and foremost, I believe a multiparty system would keep more eyes on the pot and reduce corruption. I believe there is significant corruption going on between the parties we have now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 11/18/2008
- wrathofcon I'm a Fan of wrathofcon 4 fans permalink

Dig FDR up I'm sure he is guilty of war crimes.....................Japanese internment camps

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 11/18/2008

There is too much being leaked out of the transition team about what Obama's intentions are or aren't. Not only on this matter but a slew of others. I would certainlyrather see Bush issue the pardons which is, to anyone's reckoning, an admission of guilt. But even that won't happen if Bush feels that he has no reason to worry about it. Obama staffers! Shut up! Stop talking to the press and let the man work. If you have to give an interview while asking not to be named, then you shouldn't be giving the interview.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 11/18/2008
- S1m0n I'm a Fan of S1m0n 101 fans permalink
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There is a lot being SAID. How much--if any--represents Obama's actual intentions remains to be seen. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that the 'democratic sources' saying most are the folks shut out of the process who don't know a thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 11/18/2008
- POTUS2008 I'm a Fan of POTUS2008 7 fans permalink
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Obama would be wise to not try any absurd prosecutions against the president or his people for trying to fulfill their duties and protecting the country. obviously we disagree with the methods used and the best thing is for Obama to shut down gitmo. however, all those claiming bush is "a war criminal" etc, this is just your opinion but you state it as though it were fact, well it is not fact, it is opinion, and the other opinion that the President acted within the constitution to fulfill his duties to protect the country has a strong case. just because we dislike Bush is no reason to act like vindicate shrill simpletons. Obama is doing the right thing to keep the country united, and as a constitutional scholar he is also doing the right thing because he knows any sort of conviction on anyone would be difficult, time consuming, and a complete waste of time and money. we have better fish to fry and need to focus on the right battles. I have seen far too much vapid hysteria from the anti-bush and anti-Clinton leagues over the past few weeks. people need to relax and enjoy the fact that we have a president-elect who is both insightful, intelligent and creative and determined to do the best for the country. thats what we should all aspire too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 11/18/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 281 fans permalink

deliberately lying a country into war is a War Crime. Look it up.

Torture is a war crimes. We signed the Geneva conventions. Look it up.

Waterboarding got the Japanese executed by the USA.

This whole story is based on leaks.

Obama's diverse adviser pool, means leaks are less likely to have anything to do with what Obama will do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 11/18/2008
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I love you Research.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 11/18/2008
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With all due respect I think you are being stalwartly oblivious to the facts. He lied to take us to Iraq in order to enrich himself and his friends with no bid contracts. High treason. A million people have died in Iraq since we got there. There are 2.5 million people who are refugees. If you only care about Americans, then thousands of us died as well. For what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 11/18/2008
- piul05 I'm a Fan of piul05 58 fans permalink
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Ok then, let's be objective; what, in your opinion constitutes a war criminal? Many here have made it clear why they think that's the case - agression towards a non-threatening sovereign nation and all the death and destruction that comes in its wake; circumventing national and international laws that protect the legal and human rights of detainees; circumventing international laws that legislate the conduct of an occupying army; undermining of national freedoms; lying; plundering; etc

So, what 's your argument against? How does the Bush administration actions fall short of being criminal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 11/18/2008

OK. NOW I want to take back my vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 11/18/2008
- SpoxLogic I'm a Fan of SpoxLogic 21 fans permalink

So, are you saying youd' rather have McCain in power? If so, what would he do differently!!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 11/18/2008

No matter what, ALL crimes have to be acknowledged AND brought out in public. Otherwise this whole charade is beyond contempt.

In the final analysis, Iraq (and the war on Terror) to the US is what Afghanistan was to the Soviet Union; it simply uncovered to the world the farcical, cynical reality of both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 11/18/2008

So Obama won't go after people who led us into a war that has killed, perhaps, a million innocent people? That's some moral high ground you got there Barack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 11/18/2008
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Do something about it.

http://www.democrats.com/pardon

http://www.usalone.com/impeach_now.php

Next tax day send the U.S. Government the message that you refuse to pay your taxes until your will for punishment of this administration is represented in the workings of our government. This could be pardon reform. This could be doing a thorough investigation of the dealings of the Bush administration. If one president can give a pardon, there should be a process where Congress and the President can remove a pardon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 11/18/2008
- wrathofcon I'm a Fan of wrathofcon 4 fans permalink

Hopefully when your in jail for income tax evasion you won't have Internet access.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 11/18/2008
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