Obama Advisers: Torture Prosecutions Not Likely

digg Share this on Facebook Huffpost - Obama Advisers: Torture Prosecutions Not Likely stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS

LARA JAKES JORDAN | November 18, 2008 12:21 AM EST | AP

I Like ItI Don’t Like It
President-elect Barack Obama pauses during his meeting with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., not shown, Monday, Nov. 17, 2008, at his transition office in downtown Chicago. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists during the George W. Bush presidency. Obama, who has criticized the use of torture, is being urged by some constitutional scholars and human rights groups to investigate possible war crimes by the Bush administration.

Two Obama advisers said there's little _ if any _ chance that the incoming president's Justice Department will go after anyone involved in authorizing or carrying out interrogations that provoked worldwide outrage.

The advisers spoke on condition of anonymity because the plans are still tentative. A spokesman for Obama's transition team did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

Additionally, the question of whether to prosecute may never become an issue if Bush issues pre-emptive pardons to protect those involved.

Obama has committed to reviewing interrogations on al-Qaida and other terror suspects. After he takes office in January, Obama is expected to create a panel modeled after the 9/11 Commission to study interrogations, including those using waterboarding and other tactics that critics call torture. The panel's findings would be used to ensure that future interrogations are undisputedly legal.

"I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture, and I'm going to make sure that we don't torture," Obama said Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes." "Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world."

Obama's most ardent supporters are split on whether he should prosecute Bush officials.

Asked this weekend during a Vermont Public Radio interview if Bush administration officials would face war crimes, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy flatly said, "In the United States, no."

Story continues below

"These things are not going to happen," said Leahy, D-Vt.

Robert Litt, a former top Clinton administration Justice Department prosecutor, said Obama should focus on moving forward with anti-torture policy instead of looking back.

"Both for policy and political reasons, it would not be beneficial to spend a lot of time hauling people up before Congress or before grand juries and going over what went on," Litt said at a Brookings Institution discussion about Obama's legal policy. "To as great of an extent we can say, the last eight years are over, now we can move forward _ that would be beneficial both to the country and the president, politically."

But Michael Ratner, a professor at Columbia Law School and president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, said prosecuting Bush officials is necessary to set future anti-torture policy.

"The only way to prevent this from happening again is to make sure that those who were responsible for the torture program pay the price for it," Ratner said. "I don't see how we regain our moral stature by allowing those who were intimately involved in the torture programs to simply walk off the stage and lead lives where they are not held accountable."

In the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the White House authorized U.S. interrogators to use harsh tactics on captured al-Qaida and Taliban suspects. Bush officials relied on a 2002 Justice Department legal memo to assert that its interrogations did not amount to torture _ and therefore did not violate U.S. or international laws. That memo has since been rescinded.

At least three top al-Qaida operatives _ including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed _ were waterboarded in 2002 and 2003 because of intelligence officials' belief that more attacks were imminent. Waterboarding creates the sensation of drowning, and has been traced back hundreds of years and is condemned by nations worldwide.

Bush could take the issue of criminal charges off the table with one stroke of his pardons pen.

Whether Bush will protect his top aides and interrogators with a pre-emptive pardon _ before they are ever charged _ has become a hot topic of discussion in legal and political circles in the administration's waning days. White House deputy press secretary Tony Fratto declined to comment on the issue.

Under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled.

Pre-emptive pardons would be highly controversial, but former White House counsel Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. said it would protect those who were following orders or otherwise trying to protect the nation.

"I know of no one who acted in reckless disregard of U.S. law or international law," said Culvahouse, who served under President Ronald Reagan. "It's just not good for the intelligence community and the defense community to have people in the field, under exigent circumstances, being told these are the rules, to be exposed months and years after the fact to criminal prosecution."

The Federalist Papers discourage presidents from pardoning themselves. It took former President Gerald Ford to clear former President Richard Nixon of wrongdoing in the 1972 Watergate break-in.

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists d...
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists d...
Filed by Rachel Weiner
 
Comments
443
Pending Comments
0
iPhone App Promo

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next › Last » (13 pages total)
- JPHR I'm a Fan of JPHR 5 fans permalink

A pardon does not exclude an investigation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

Dan Rather had to spend 2 million dollars of his own money taking his case to court. The only way to get to the truth is to make people testify under oath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 11/18/2008

Unfortunately, politics is politics.

Unfortunately, (0), read, zero, Republicans in the House and Senate would support any kind of accountability for the unlawful activities, in any sense, of the Bush administration. Add to that, any attempt to prosecute the Bush admin will be echoed throughout the wingnut sleaze chamber as Democratic persecution.

Bottom line, although I hate the idea, Bush and minions will get away SCOTT-FREE, yes, SCOTT-FREE, with being some of the biggest traitors this country has ever seen.

And you know what? In four or eight years, a huge swath of this country will have romanticised the Bush years to the extent that any Republican who can put together a coherent sentence will have a serious shot at the WH, and GOP majorities in the House and Senate will also once again be a possibility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

The Republicans are in a really bad place right now. Some even tried to make it seem that they were behind Obama. I think seriously bringing up the issue of impeachment would pressure at least a few Republicans to vote for impeachment. The public'sanger is that great right now and it will not settle down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 11/18/2008

I can appreciate your sentiments, but impeachment is a politically moot point right now. It literally cannot be accomplished between now and the inauguration.

I still predict Bush will not be prosecuted by "Washington."

And unless we, (meaning millions of Americans) actually take to the streets, no one in Washington will feel the public's anger actually exists and needs to be addressed by holding Bush accountable.

Alas, if there is any accountability at all, it will probably come in the form of a last-minute, or post-presidency, mildly-worded "censure" that "stops short" of actually accusing Bush of anything.

Would that it weren't so, believe me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 11/18/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 106 fans permalink
photo

I guess we'll be taking the words JUSTICE for ALL out of the pledge of allegience.

I think that could be considered false advertising.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 11/18/2008
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
photo

Yes, indeed. It is now two-tiered justice. Them and just us. F#ck this new America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

If somebody false advertises, it means we don't have to pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 11/18/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 291 fans permalink
photo

Democrats don't do the Pledge of Allegiance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 11/18/2008

Not only do we do it, unlike the GOP, we mean it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 11/18/2008
photo

When you don't prosecute crime once it has been exposed, you invite more crime and contempt for law and decency. This is a policy that will wipe any moral standing America has left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

Yes. This is far more serious than trying to get unity into our government. If political crimes aren't prosecuted, it only emboldens those in future positions of power to commit the same crimes, or worse. Not a good sign of things to come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

Yes. No one needs "unity" with torturers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

Excellent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 11/18/2008
photo

Excellent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 11/18/2008
- HereNow I'm a Fan of HereNow 3 fans permalink

I think the investigation and prosecution of Crimes commited by this administration is the single most important People's business there is.
I immediately donated $1000 to Obama's primary campaigne upon hearing that he would prosecute if crimes were committed.
If it shakes out that the privalegded gets off without being held accountable, I will be very disapointed. As it stands now, all I have is Hope that Obama will Lead us in the direction we have asked him to do so, not more of the political expedient.

As far as Pardons are concerned and are protected by the constitution, didnt this country just accept the dismantleing of the Bill of Rights for the convenience of the POTUS. Then we can also reverse bush's pardons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

Excellent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 11/18/2008
- johnnynyc I'm a Fan of johnnynyc 34 fans permalink

First there was FISA, now there's torture.

What next?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 11/18/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 106 fans permalink
photo

lying to the American people into a trillon dollar war?

Holding a garage sale in the Treasurey for Wall St ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 11/18/2008
- GKJames I'm a Fan of GKJames 11 fans permalink

Whatever happened to the principle that, if you followed an unlawful order, you'd have to face the music, regardless how many legal outs your superiors purportedly gave you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

Good point. We need to show the Democrats that we are serious. All of us need to choose a day not to go to work to demand impeachment now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 11/18/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 106 fans permalink
photo

With all the people losing their job , who'd notice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 11/18/2008
- piul05 I'm a Fan of piul05 58 fans permalink
photo

Hillary "under sniper fire" Clinton, Secretary of State - minus 1

Nobody made accountable for torture, death and deception, which amounts to rubber stamping it - minus 2

This is turning out to be a particular bad week...what next? "Liberating" Iran, are we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 11/18/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 106 fans permalink
photo

Isn't putting Rahm Emmanuel basically promising that.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 11/18/2008
- piul05 I'm a Fan of piul05 58 fans permalink
photo

In the words of Emanuel's father, in an interview about his son's influence on Obama:

"Obviously he'll influence the president to be pro-Israel. Why wouldn't he? What is he, an Ar*b? He's not going to be mopping floors at the White House."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7729046.stm

Ok, later Emanuel apologised, but all this together it does not bode at all well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 11/18/2008

Some months ago I called it "The November Surprise," the new alternative to the October Surprise of previous election cycles.

Bush will ram as much of the Republican agenda through as he can, now that no one can touch him. Democrats will, even with their large mandate, wring their hands and wonder aloud, "what to do, what to do!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 11/18/2008
- sacrebleu I'm a Fan of sacrebleu 11 fans permalink
photo

My hope that a Democratic administration would prosecute Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al for their crimes died when Empty Dress Pelosi took even impeachment "off the table."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 11/18/2008
- reliant1 I'm a Fan of reliant1 24 fans permalink
photo

No one will be tried at least not in an American court. Bush will offer up blanket pardons. If one thing is very very clear in our Constitution it is the irrevocable nature of the Presidential pardon. The founders did not foresee this kind of abuse and their words are clear.

Alteration will require an Amendment. It should be amended but it will never be retroactive.

The Hague will not accept or bring war crimes charges against members of this admin.

Work to amend or abolish Presidential pardon powers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

I think we should try to make it retroactive. These criminals will be back unless we do make it retroactive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

I disagree. As Jonathan Turley explained last night on MSNBC, previous Presidential pardons have had to name the pardoned, or at least the crime -- as in the Whiskey Rebellion and Vietnam War Draft Dodgers.

Can you imagine George Walker Bush growing the courage to attempt to pardon torture, as defined in the Geneva Conventions? And if he tries to pardon conspirators in the development and instruction of soldiers to use "enhanced interrogation techniques" or some other such euphemism, the pardons can be legally contested on the grounds that his euphemism does not have any established legal meaning. But "torture" has.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

If he doesn't prosecute then he won't restore America's statue around the world. And, of course, it tells future administrations that its OK to torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 11/18/2008
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 311 fans permalink
photo

It was reported some months ago that Bush had purchased a very large ranch in Paraguay, a country with no extradition.. I have to wonder if Obama is just keeping his plans under wraps so that Bush won't take off, never to be seen in the US again. (We should be so lucky!!)

If the world court could charge him for war crimes, how could they take him into custody? Anyone know the answer?

I will be keenly disappointed in Obama if he doesn't make these criminals pay for what they have done to our troops, the Iraqi people, and to this country!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

I suddenly have this image in my mind of Bush living the party lifestyle at a palatial hacienda down in Paraguay. Laura would stay and enjoy her fine home in Dallas, and he'd be way down there with some outrageous rhinestone cowboy hat perched on his head at a crazy angle, with a posse of Skull and Bones alumni hanging around to laugh at his jokes, drinking margaritas out of large frosty mugs, barbecuing in a Hawaiian shirt, surrounded by dancing babes in short shorts and tank tops.

And although my higher mind is appalled at the injustice of that possible outcome, part of me can't help but think what compelling television it would make! "Next episode on Fugitive Bush: The twins are coming to visit and George and the boys have to clean the place up, with a little help from the Ranch Bunnies!" Other fugitive leaders could come visit the hacienda, and we could make them all eat bugs for money! I mean, okay it wouldn't be justice but it might actually be more likely to happen, given the high level of bizarreness in the world today!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 11/18/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 106 fans permalink
photo

Uh, how about renditions for the whole crew on ignauguration day?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 11/18/2008
- alamantra I'm a Fan of alamantra 5 fans permalink
photo

"Asked this weekend during a Vermont Public Radio interview if Bush administration officials would face war crimes, Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy flatly said, "In the United States, no.""

"In the United States, no" is an interesting way of wording it. Is this a foreshadowing that the Obama administration may allow the World Court to go after the Bush administration? That would be the proper forum for any legitimate investigation. Obama could form a fact finding panel and then, as we re-enter into the international community, simply turn over any findings as international law requires. The World Court would take it from there. By following that process, Obama also avoids any appearance of a partisan witch-hunt. In the meantime congress can pursue the various needed domestic investigations such as the allegation that Karl Rove targeted former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 11/18/2008
photo

Don't get my hopes up. I think the people of America need to get out of their houses, get from behind their computers, get out of their offices, and show them we mean f u c k i n g business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 11/18/2008
- Yermammy I'm a Fan of Yermammy 137 fans permalink
photo

Obama's "advisors" are hiding crimes by doing this. We can't go forward until we get out of this regression to the Rule of Law. Ignoring that fact isn't change we can believe in. It's change THEY can believe in. NOT you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 11/18/2008
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next › Last » (13 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

 You must be logged in to comment. Log in  or connect with 

Connect