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ANNE GEARAN and LOLITA C. BALDOR | November 18, 2008 07:37 PM EST | AP

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Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen speaks with The Associated Press during an interview at the Pentagon, Tuesday, Nov. 18, 2008. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari)

WASHINGTON — The top U.S. military officer said Tuesday the Pentagon is developing plans to get troops quickly out of Iraq and into Afghanistan to battle a more confident and successful Taliban.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told The Associated Press in an interview that the military can make the changes President-elect Barack Obama wants in both wars.

"I've been listening to the campaign, and I understand," Mullen said. "And he has certainly reinforced that since the election, so from a planning standpoint, we are looking at that as well."

Mullen, once a critic of Obama's plan to pull combat forces from Iraq in 16 months, said the Pentagon has already identified and practiced travel routes out of Iraq along exit routes through Turkey and Jordan.

The governments in those two bordering countries are U.S. allies, and Mullen said they support the withdrawal planning effort.

Mullen, who is halfway through a two-year term, said he expects to stay on next year as the new administration takes office, adding, "We all serve at the pleasure of the president. I'll serve as long as he wants me to."

Obama has said he wants to assemble a national security team quickly. He has not yet named a candidate for defense secretary _ the top civilian leader at the Pentagon.

The current defense secretary, Robert Gates, is often mentioned as an option for Obama. If Gates stayed it would provide the continuity and stability Obama has said he wants in his national security operations, but neither man has discussed the possibility publicly.

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Pentagon officials, including Mullen, have consistently rejected timelines for pulling troops out of Iraq, saying that any withdrawal must be based on security conditions in Iraq. At the same time, military leaders have said they need 15,000 to 20,000 more troops in Afghanistan _ including four more combat brigades.

Obama, who has called Afghanistan an "urgent crisis," said in a speech Oct. 22 that "it's time to heed the call" from U.S. Gen. David McKiernan, the commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, for more U.S. troops. Obama said he would send at least two or three additional combat brigades. One combat brigade typically has 3,500-4,000 soldiers.

Obama also has called for more training of Afghan security forces as well as more nonmilitary assistance.

Mullen said he is working to get as many troops into Afghanistan as quickly as possible and noted he's not surprised that Taliban leaders said this week that they would not entertain settlement talks with the Afghan government as long as foreign forces remained in the country.

"It's my belief that you negotiate from a position of strength and right now the Taliban is doing pretty well," said Mullen. "I think that's important as we discuss how we negotiate, and with whom we negotiate, that we do so from a position of strength."

Mullen would not disclose how many combat brigades and additional support forces he will be able to get to Afghanistan by next spring, when the military expects to face another offensive by militants.

While Mullen acknowledged that troops in the northern city of Mosul are still in a tough fight, he said commanders are confident that they will be able to turn the city over to the Iraqis by next June.

McKiernan, speaking in Washington on Tuesday evening, said he does not have enough U.S., coalition or Afghan forces in southern Afghanistan "to provide for adequate security for the people." He said that is where he would put more troops.

He also endorsed efforts to reconcile with militants, but said such talks must be led by the Afghans. And he drew a distinction between attempting to convince local Taliban fighters to put down their weapons and support the Afghan government, versus trying to work with top Taliban leaders such as Mullah Omar.

"The idea of reconciliation at the local level, of local fighters, of local influencers, potentially is a very, very powerful metric in Afghanistan," said McKiernan. As for top Taliban leaders, he said it is up to Afghan officials to determine "how important that is to try to reconcile those who have, on record, seemed to be fairly irreconcilable."

Under the security agreement now before the Iraqi Parliament, U.S. troops must be out of the cities by June 2009, and leave Iraq by the end of 2011.

Giving the Iraqis control of Baghdad will also be doable, but challenging, he said.

While violence has plunged in the capital city, there are still frequent, dramatic attacks, more often targeted at Iraqi citizens.

He also has to address logistical challenges in removing forces from Iraq. Noting the huge amount of equipment and infrastructure under the U.S. flag in Iraq, Mullen said planners are looking at what would move and when.

Mullen indicated that some infrastructure, along with residual forces responsible for counterterrorism operations and ongoing training of Iraqi forces, could remain beyond Obama's 16-month timeline.

"In the last several months, he said, military officials have looked at "the totality of what we have there and what would it take to move it out. Generally the answer is two to three years."

There are currently 151,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, and 32,000 in Afghanistan, including 14,500 with the NATO-led coalition, and 17,500 who are fighting insurgents and training Afghan forces.

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AP Military Writer Robert Burns contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON — The top U.S. military officer said Tuesday the Pentagon is developing plans to get troops quickly out of Iraq and into Afghanistan to battle a more confident and successful Taliban.
WASHINGTON — The top U.S. military officer said Tuesday the Pentagon is developing plans to get troops quickly out of Iraq and into Afghanistan to battle a more confident and successful Taliban.
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- PatCroft I'm a Fan of PatCroft 14 fans permalink
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I like President Elect Obama and I think this country will do much better with his service. That said I don't think Afghanistan and a War with the Taliban was really necessary. Sooner or later we are going to come to reason that war's are not needed in the early 22nd Century. Remember if you will, when the Taliban offered to turn over Bin Laden to a third party country for trial. Imagine if we had our since's and had we accepted this offer where we would be today. I think Afghanistan is a quagmire war that cannot be won at any cost other. What if we resign to this problem that we were wrong and start offering carrots opposed to throwing sticks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 11/19/2008
- CaptD I'm a Fan of CaptD 19 fans permalink
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My guess is that Obama will have to start a national draft and or peace corp type program that will be mandatory. The US just does not have enough recruits to meet current and future demands; and it is not fair to keep sending the same troops "back" time after time... Public service would be great for American young folks and by serving they would get free College and or other on the job training... I believe that the Service schools should be expanded many times over to train many more doctors and nurses which would help with the aging of America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 11/19/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

That anybody in America can support a draft of any kind is baffling to me. Who are we to call our country the Land of the Free if the government has more authority over my life and how I spend it than I do? No, conscription and drafts are de facto slavery. We're better than that.

Maybe the responsible thing to do would be to reorganize our armed forces and military objectives into something more manageable. Not policing the world would be a good start.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 11/19/2008
- Territc I'm a Fan of Territc 2 fans permalink

Stop guessing then. Wait until you know. Americans are full of fear due to people guessing and putting out untrue statements about this war and what the terrorists will do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 AM on 11/20/2008

I'm stationed currently in Iraq. I voted for Obama. A LOT of us did. I work hard every day to explain to my comrades in arms why the Democratic party has our interests much more at heart than the Republicans.(As much as I can within the regulations governing political discussion in uniform) The simple problem is the "sell". Republicans do a great job of selling half truths to those in uniform. Whereas the Democrats rarely try to sell anything to the military. People around me see a bloated military budget and say," Hey those Republicans love the military!" That is until I explain to them how the majority of that money is going to contractors and large scale defense companies. Slowly though, ever so slowly they are becoming more aware of what is going on. I thank the internet for a big part of that. They are beginning to see the simple truth of things: the Republicans love and support defense companies and contractors, the Democrats love and support the men and women of the armed forces.

Know this too, whatever the Pentagon says is usually 3-6 months delayed from what we are actually doing. Our enemies watch our news just as much as we do, so the Pentagon isn't going to talk about anything that isn't already set well in motion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 11/19/2008
- NJmikeV I'm a Fan of NJmikeV 50 fans permalink

Thank you for your service. Be safe. We pray that you get home soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 11/19/2008

I agree. It is easy to come up with jingoistic phrasing that distorts the truth and is almost exploitative of the military. Democrats need to assess both tactical, and communications strategies that can help us pull out of other nations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 11/19/2008
- lola85 I'm a Fan of lola85 8 fans permalink

Thank you for your post and more importantly for your service. Praying for your safety while still in Iraq and for your safe arrival back home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 11/19/2008
- robXdion I'm a Fan of robXdion 185 fans permalink
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And that's why I got out. Too many programmed sheep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 11/20/2008

WHY IS OUR MILITARY INTRICATELY ENTWINED IN REPUBLICAN POLITICS?ROOSEVELT WAS DEMOCRAT ,WE DID GOOD. TRUMAN WAS REVILED FOR GETTING INTO KOREA. EISENHOWER ,GREAT MILITARY LEADER AND REPUB,WHO WARNED AGAINST THE MILITARIZATION OF POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY. WHAT GIVES? HOW ARE REPUBLICANS SEEN AS THE PARTY OF MILITARY? I THINK IF SOLDIERS WERE POLLED IN THE WAR ZONE THEY WOULD OVERWELMINGLY VOTE DEMOCRAT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 11/19/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

A lot of 'Nam vets would disagree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 11/19/2008

but a lot of Gulf War 1 and 2 Vets wouldn't and DID vote D.

The choice this time was CRYSTAL clear. Mc Cain did NOT support vets. He opposed just about every VA funding bill and benefit program for Vets. Obama supported them.

Mc Cain counted on the fact that he was a POW and that would make all the vets just oOOoooo and aAAAHaaaaa over him... not so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 11/19/2008

Sooner or later it is going to become apparent there is no win situation in either Iraq or Afghanistan as there are just too many people willing to die for what they believe. Continued U.S. and NATO presence in these countries just amounts to poster people for recruiting insurgents.

Russia couldn't get any measure of success in Afghanistan and that should be a lesson learned by everyone world wide. Some how they are going to have to negotiate a settlement and try and find a way to wipe out the poppy trade with cash infusions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 11/19/2008
- Americano I'm a Fan of Americano 3 fans permalink
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The military brass is like any other leadership team be it, public , secular, or religious; the leader gives a strategic order, the lieutenants fall in line. The military's hand were tied with Bush, a cowboy, shooting from the hip, my way or the highway! God help him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 11/19/2008
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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Exactly, the military guys cannot go against Bush - he is the commander in chief

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 11/19/2008

We like to think of the Soviets were incompedent in Afghanistan, they weren't. They changed tactics several times and could have won, if the CIA hadn't trained and equipped the Afghans with Stinger missiles that could take down Soviet attack helicopters. The mistake that was made in 80's, is that the Reagan Administration left after the Soviets bugged out, leaving the country a war torn disaster and ripe for a Taliban take over, more blowback.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 11/19/2008
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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The soviets weren't doin so bad until the Stinger shoulder mounted missiles were shipped there...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 11/19/2008

I'm not sure he wants to "win" in Afghanistan, I think he just wants to dissolve the Taliban. If they can find and kill Bin Ladan, then I think it will be considered a win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 11/19/2008
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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If they killed Bin Laden, Al Zawahiri, and Mullah Omar, that would be great. But you cannot kill and idea. Bush reinforced their rhetoric when he invaded Iraq. They understood why we attacked Afghanistan.

The only way we could have won in Iraq was with Shinseki's force structure - several hundred thousand troops, guard the various ministries, and paid the Iraqi Army to keep peace. Bremer screwed the last part up royally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 11/19/2008
- mervr1 I'm a Fan of mervr1 27 fans permalink

First we need to get Mullen OUT and replace him with McKiernan then shift our troops to Afghanistan asap. Mullen doesn't have a clue of how to run the ground troop operation.

Mullen is a yes man and that's why Bush put him in place. His beliefs are no different from Bush's when it comes to the timetable and that makes him dangerous for the Obama administration.

Military commanders always say they serve at the pleasure of the President this one serves at the pleasure of Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 11/19/2008
- likeicare I'm a Fan of likeicare 8 fans permalink

Why never any mention of the mercenary troops in Iraq?

Aren't there more of them than there are regular troops?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 11/19/2008

Where does Blackwater go? Private armies are not good in a democratic republic. We may have something to deal with for a long time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 11/19/2008
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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I'm thinking prison. in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/19/2008
- Sneaky I'm a Fan of Sneaky 15 fans permalink

That's misleading. The number of contractors is higher, yes, but they serve support roles more than fighting roles. Private contractors are who staff the kitchens (wanna see a morale jump? Bring in people who can cook instead of military cooks, and this has worked wonderfully), mechanics hangers, things like that. Most private contractors in Iraq never carry a gun.

Now, the actual people who do carry guns, they're pretty limited to "we go where the guy/gal we're guarding goes." The problem comes when their AOs mix with the AOs of US infantry missions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 11/19/2008

Hey Mullen, you do as the commander in chief says and SYFPH hows that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 11/19/2008
- rektruax I'm a Fan of rektruax 18 fans permalink
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Pretty much what he says. Try reading the article. It's what most military leaders do.

Oh wait... You saw a military uniform... and felt you had to express your hate. I'd love to see you say SYFPH to the ol' boys face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 11/19/2008
- dakotaharp I'm a Fan of dakotaharp 6 fans permalink

With all due respect for our military men I feel the lives being lost are for naught. I am so sad to see our soldiers die but for what? bush and cheney have their blood on their hands. It really would suck to be them. Jan 20th can`t come soon enough. Has anyone else heard about the dec 20th martial law happening. God make him (bush) go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 11/19/2008

Bush and Chaney should go to prison for what they have done to this country. They should pay for this senseless war and all those lives lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 11/19/2008
- F150 I'm a Fan of F150 permalink

Yeah the Iraqis would've been better off if we'd left Saddam and his boys in charge. Who cares if they killed hundreds of thousands of their own citizens?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 11/19/2008
- Twinkie I'm a Fan of Twinkie 3 fans permalink

If the troops pull out of Iraq within 16 months and the country goes to hell, the govt collapses and civil war breaks out it will be a political and PR disaster for Obama. I think people are being too impatient. The US has made the mess over there and it has a responsibility to clean it up before pulling out. I think Obama supporters (of which I am one) should stop putting pressure on him to pull out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 11/19/2008
- sclucie I'm a Fan of sclucie 9 fans permalink

A returned vet said it best - there will be civil war if we pull out in 16 months, 2 years, or 10 years. Despite what pinhead Kristol thinks, the Sunnis and Shiites have been fighting for centuries - and it is not going to be solved by Americans. But I agree - we have to have a plan for Sunni refugees - and that cannot just involve Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 11/19/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 256 fans permalink
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NBC declared Iraq to be in civil war nearly two years ago.
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updated 1:23 p.m. PT, Mon., Nov. 27, 2006
WASHINGTON - NBC News Monday branded the Iraq conflict a civil war — a decision that put it at odds with the White House and that analysts said would increase public disillusionment with the U.S. troop presence there.

NBC said the Iraqi government's inability to stop spiraling violence between rival factions fit its definition of civil war.

The Bush administration has for months declined to call the violence a civil war...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15921476/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 11/19/2008
- lemekid I'm a Fan of lemekid 5 fans permalink

I'm a foreigner and let me put it in another perspective.

The reason why we see bombings in Iraq right now and the subsequent blames on the Sunnis and Shiites is because the real NeoCon intention for the invasion of the sovereign country of Iraq hasn't been met or was taking a long time for the Iraqi government to agree to the US demand. The US is actually stoking the violence by financing both sides of the fanctions to wear the Iraqi government down into signing the secret document that will sell away the oil reserves of Iraq to America.

The truth is Iraqis are not fools. We may as well know that Iraq under Saddam Hussein was one of the most educated country in the whole middle east, if not, the most. They are no fools.

I predict there will be no civil war in Iraq. They watched with their very own eyes how the US destroyed their country. It will remain in their hearts for ages. Iraqis will rebuild their country for sure. Mark my word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 AM on 11/19/2008
- F150 I'm a Fan of F150 permalink

But, but I thought everyone voted for him because he was going to end the war?? Suckers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 11/19/2008
- aznurse I'm a Fan of aznurse 50 fans permalink

has the military leaders ever said they can't meet demands?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 11/19/2008

Recently ? Yes, remember Shinseki... why do you think he "left"... maybe because of what he said .... "something in the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" would probably be required for post-war Iraq...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 11/19/2008
- F150 I'm a Fan of F150 permalink

Shinseki was scheduled for retirement before he gave his opinion. He wasn't pushed out. Do your homework.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 11/19/2008
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"Yes Sir, Mr President"

end of story...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 11/19/2008
- jcwtts1 I'm a Fan of jcwtts1 147 fans permalink
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uh, the president doesn't demand of the military he orders it.

J

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 11/19/2008

Of course Obama's plan is doable. His plan was always reasonable, even if it wasn't popular with the generals. Now, they know the political landscape has changed.

When Obama is the commander in chief, he's the one giving orders. He dictates the larger strategy, and it's up to the generals to implement it. If they don't like it, they can retire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 11/19/2008
- sclucie I'm a Fan of sclucie 9 fans permalink

Rumsfeld refused to talk to the military commanders - from before the war started. He considered them beneath to be him and to be archaic. He relied on his neocon-chess board strategy. At least Obama treats them with respect - and it seems to be working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 11/19/2008
- F150 I'm a Fan of F150 permalink

Do you have a link that verifies Rumsfeld refused to talk to military commanders or is it just your opinion?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 11/19/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

We get them out of Iraq but it doesnt end there we MUST voice our concerns over Afghanistan. Obama is not an Anti war candidate he is an Anti Iraq war candidate there is a big difference and we must not forget that we must put the pressure on as far as Afghanistan.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 11/18/2008
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Jeebus Carol let's end one war at a time. No leader of any country can be anti-war when the security of it's people are at stake that is just a Pollyanna way of looking at things. But Obama will not get us into unnecessary wars like the last three presidents have and get us out of Afghanistan as soon as he can also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 11/18/2008
- Hawka I'm a Fan of Hawka 9 fans permalink

Sooo... your basically saying forget 9/11 now? Well I say forget you man, I'm from NYC, and I'm not supporting any type of pull out from Afghanistan at least until I see Al Qaeda neutralized, whatever it takes, after all of that. I'm not against all wars, I'm against dumb wars, so said our President-Elect, this one is the war that needs to be fought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 11/19/2008
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