Auto Industry Bailout Vote Canceled By Senate

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 19, 2008 09:16 PM EST | AP

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Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., holds up a print-out of a New York Times article as he testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2008, before a Financial Services Committee hearing on the automotive industry bailout. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. Caught in the middle of a who-blinks-first standoff are legions of manufacturing firms and auto dealers _ and millions of Americans' jobs _ after Senate Democrats canceled a showdown vote that had been expected Thursday. President George W. Bush has "no appetite" to act on his own.

U.S. auto companies employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other people have jobs producing the materials and parts that go into cars. About 1 million on top of that work in dealerships nationwide. If just one of the auto giants were to go belly up, some estimates put U.S. job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

"If GM is telling us the truth, they go into bankruptcy and you see a cascade like you have never seen," said Sen. George V. Voinovich, R-Ohio, who was working on one rescue plan Wednesday. "If people want to go home and not do anything, I think that they're going to have that on their hands."

The automakers _ hobbled by lackluster sales and choked credit _ are burning through money at an alarming and accelerating rate: about $18 billion in the last quarter alone. General Motors Corp. has said it could collapse within weeks, and there are indications that Chrysler LLC might not be far behind. Ford Motor Co. has said it could get through the end of 2008, but it's unclear how much longer.

For now, however, with the federal emergency loan plan stalled in the Senate, lawmakers in both parties are engaged in a high-stakes game of chicken, positioning themselves to blame each other for the failure.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., scrapped plans Wednesday for a vote on a bill to carve $25 billion in new auto industry loans out of the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund.

It's really up to Bush's team to act, he said.

"I don't believe we need the legislation," Reid said. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson can tap the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies, Reid said, but "he just doesn't want to do it."

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Not our responsibility, countered the White House.

"If Congress leaves for a two-month vacation without having addressed this important issue ... then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

She said there was "no appetite" in the administration for using the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies.

The White House and congressional Republicans instead called on Democrats to sign on to a GOP plan to divert a $25 billion loan program created by Congress in September _ designed to help the companies develop more fuel-efficient vehicles _ to meet the auto giants' immediate financial needs.

Voinovich and Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., along with Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, were at work on that measure Wednesday, trying to placate skeptical Democrats by including a guarantee that the fuel-efficiency loan fund would ultimately be replenished.

"It is the only proposal now being considered that has a chance of actually becoming law," said Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

If an acceptable deal emerges, Reid said it could be passed as part of a measure to extend jobless aid to unemployed workers whose benefits have run out. A vote on that bill is likely on Thursday. Negotiators were discussing a scaled-down aid package of $5 billion to $8 billion to help the automakers survive through year's end.

But there was little sign that Democratic leaders would go along.

"We have to face reality," Reid said.

They are vehemently opposed to letting the car companies tap the fuel-efficiency money _ set aside to help switch to vehicles that burn less gasoline _ for short-term cash-flow needs.

All of which leaves the Big Three bracing for a bleak winter without government help.

GM CEO Rick Wagoner told a House committee Wednesday that the downfall of his industry would ripple through communities around the nation. Pressed by lawmakers, Wagoner wouldn't say precisely when GM would run out of money without a government lifeline, but he disclosed that the company now was burning through $5 billion a month.

Still, with the $25 billion emergency package, "we think we have a good shot to make it through this," Wagoner said.

Many lawmakers in both parties are now openly discussing whether bankruptcy might be a better option for auto firms they regard as lumbering industrial dinosaurs that have done too little to adjust their products and work forces for the 21st century.

The carmakers argue that bankruptcy would devastate their companies, but proponents say it would give them a chance to reorganize and emerge stronger and more competitive.

It's unclear, though, whether Democrats controlling Congress are willing to risk being blamed for letting one of the Big Three _ symbols of the nation's once-mighty manufacturing sector _ go under.

Bailout-shy lawmakers got an earful from jittery constituents last month when the House let an early version of the Wall Street rescue fail, sending the Dow Jones industrials tumbling and erasing more than a trillion dollars in retirement savings and other investments. Congress took a deep breath and reconsidered, passing the plan a few days later.

Faced with a similar collapse in the auto industry, the Bush administration might yet decide to step in to help the auto companies, or the Federal Reserve could step in _ though both have steadfastly refused to do so.

If not, lawmakers have left themselves a contingency plan: Come back to Washington in December for yet another postelection session where they might be able to strike the deal that now seems beyond reach.

Democratic leaders are planning to gather for an economic conference the week of Dec. 8, noted House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md.

"That is available," Hoyer said this week. "The year has not ended."

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Associated Press writers Sam Hananel in Washington and Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
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- NeoStar9 I'm a Fan of NeoStar9 15 fans permalink

The CEOs that showed up where beyond stupid and it cost them their chances. They only cared about their money and it clearly showed. They all but shouted it by their performances. They had a chance to appear humbled and show they really cared about their workers and what was taking place but decided to do the opposite and it simply pissed those in Congress off.

The first thing that needs to be done is to fire all of the leadership in these companies and those that replace them to have to serious limits placed on how much they will be paid. Then unions have to make some concessions as well. Then the government has to fund development of new technologies the way Japan and other countries help fund technologies for their cars. The Japanese government last I checked is footing the bill for the hybrid technology in the Prius. Toyota isn't making a profit off of that. This is the same thing the US government needs to do in order to get this technology out the door. Once it is then the government has to make sure there are enough gas stations in urban and rural areas to accommodate the new technology.

You have to inpart nationalize the auto industry for a while until things are fixed. You MUST though fire the leadership first and foremost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 11/20/2008
- Angelic11 I'm a Fan of Angelic11 23 fans permalink
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What is wrong with you people? You are voicing and voting against your own interest when you don't want the federal government to provide LOANs (not gifts) save millions of jobs in this country!

There is not a single family and/or individual that failure of the auto industry will not touch...so:

>Get rid of the CEOs
>Add Safeguards
>Restrict bonuses
>Require Union Concessions

I live in Michigan and you ain't seen nothing yet. When this title-wave affects the rest of the country...you'll be singing a different tune and dance a new jig.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 11/20/2008
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But they will be crying "Why didn't they tell us it would be this bad?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 11/20/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Because Barney Frank covered up the problems and denied there were problems. Check it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 11/20/2008
- feo I'm a Fan of feo 30 fans permalink

Unions have made major concessions--read the UAW's contracts with the Big Three. If we can continue to subsidize big agriculture, big oil and big mining--which we have done for 80 years--we can LOAN the automakers a few bucks. If we can support socialist Alaska, we can support capitalist Michigan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 11/20/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Ah, but we CAN'T continue to subsidize those areas. It's time to stop cutting back on subsidies, stop pretending government bureaucrats--or Obama-- should or could pick the winners or losers in the economy better than the economy itself.

Let the losers and the inefficient fail. The result will be more jobs than currently available--just DIFFERENT JOBS WITH DIFFERENT COMPANIES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 11/20/2008
- NeoStar9 I'm a Fan of NeoStar9 15 fans permalink

CEOs must go I agree. Their salaries could solve a nice bit of the money issues these companies have I feel. However no one wants to talk about that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 11/20/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

Their salaries are MINISCULE in comparison to the other expenses. Work it out. They just SOUND big.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 11/20/2008
- SailFree I'm a Fan of SailFree 29 fans permalink

The problem, Angelic11, is that without union concessions, which will require hanging the union bosses up by their ((deleted)) and beating them unmercifully, the companies will spend their way through the loan money and still go bankrupt. Without Michigan's politicians cutting taxes, not continually raising them, the companies will be operating under a severe handicap anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 11/20/2008
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Listen, you are missing the point. $25Bln is enough to carry the D3 until Feb 09. Then what? This is not a "bailout". That implies that $25 bln will solve all their problems. It will not. The best solution I have heard is to force bankruptcy, which will cause them to do most of the things you are asking for, and after that the govt needs to loan them money to come out of the restructuring, to include insuring warranties on all the cars they sell post bankruptcy. There is a way to get them well, but it will cause the Congress to actually get into the details a little more than those pampered asses usually have time for. Sorry for the prep at end of a sentence....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 11/20/2008
- Veri I'm a Fan of Veri 20 fans permalink

The Demo-Republican Party. Will they finally destroy the unions? Hmmm.... they seem to be saying, "F*ck your job! Power... Power.. and more Power...!!!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 11/20/2008
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Bingo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 11/20/2008
- Figerre I'm a Fan of Figerre 8 fans permalink

While we are discussing how much the workers are paid by automakers - let's talk about how much an hour the AIG boys make? It is ok to pay THEM millions in bonuses, and the UAW has already negotiated to move health care off into a trust, as well as cut their hourly wage - what did AIG do to get 5 times what the automakers are asking? As for arriving in their own jets, their arrogance and let them eat cake attitude - fire the top line of administrators - without their little parachutes - and go down 2 ranks to the guys that WANT to make it work. Start hunting for innovation among managers and leave the top dogs to live off their 'savings' with the rest of America -- as if anyone has any by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 11/20/2008
- OutsiderSA I'm a Fan of OutsiderSA 8 fans permalink
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I am passing around a collection hat. Please place $170 in and make sure every citizen does the same. That is the cost for 150M folk to bail out the big 3.......
No takers?......
Thought so

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 11/20/2008
- Angelic11 I'm a Fan of Angelic11 23 fans permalink
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please read my post above:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 11/20/2008
- naviline I'm a Fan of naviline 2 fans permalink

I would GLADLY give $170. Where do I donate. This will be a catastrophe...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 11/20/2008
- Nancyok I'm a Fan of Nancyok 13 fans permalink

SIGN ME UP...where do I send it. Let's see, $170 ...that's a bargain. I'm serious, where do we send it. We will, every last one of us, lose 100 to 1000 times that in stock losses, housing value declines, small business bankruptcies, and the ultimate tax bail out when the unemployment roles swell 1 Mill, then 2 Mill , then 3 Mill and the dominoes keep falling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 11/20/2008
- PATina I'm a Fan of PATina 250 fans permalink
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It's ironic that most of us don't realize that we non-union job holders would make a lot less than we do now if it weren't for unions... not to mention other ways we benefit... overtime wage and paid time off. imagine how happy the corporate class will be to know they can increase their profits and compensation packages by not having to pay overtime wages or for holidays and vacation days. Oh... and before you say that won't happen... think about who's going to stop them if there's no more organized labor.

As goes the unions... so goes the rest of us who aren't in upper management.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 11/20/2008
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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You are so right! People need to look at the history of unions and why they organize. They need to look at slave labor with few humanitarian laws of protection in other countries. These US corporations say this is OK and acceptable for their profits or they would not allow these violations to continue. Does anyone with a sane mind believe this can never happen again here? We are heading towards that era once again if unions are wiped out. You will be working to compete with mexicans for 1.50/hour and dont laugh! This is the wage the mexican auto worker is presently earning to compete with China. This is documented. Is this the future americans want for each other? Let unions fall and you will find out. labor standars are written today with MINIMUM requirements for a reason. Its the republican way! Take your chances people and reflect back to when wages were good and imports were few!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 11/20/2008

Are we just going to bailout EVERY big company that needs it? GO BANKRUPT!!! It will force them to reconfigure and revamp. Once all the "big 3" companies close, then smaller more productive companies will start, creating jobs, and more efficient cars. And hopefully the Unions will go bankrupt as well, they have become our modern day MAFIA, there are laws that protect the workers now, we don't need unions to demand more pay for less work, and suck companies dry anymore!!!
LET AMERICAN INGENUITY PLAY THE COURSE, AND LET'S EVOLVE INTO A BETTER AMERICA WHERE THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST 3 AUTO MAKERS!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 11/20/2008
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While you may be "tired of the ignorance" you are happy to marinate in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 11/20/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 50 fans permalink
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If you think unions are the "modern day mafia" I propose that you get to a doctor and have your head removed from your behind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 11/20/2008
- Clavis I'm a Fan of Clavis 38 fans permalink

In a normal economy, companies can operate while they go through bankruptcy proceedings. That's not the case right now. In this economy, the Big 3 would not be able to get loans during bankruptcy (even good companies can't get loans right now), and they'd completely fail.

The companies wouldn't come out of bankruptcy intact. The bits would just be sold off, probably to foreign companies.

We would lose our ability to manufacture our own defenses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 11/20/2008
- Cinderpath I'm a Fan of Cinderpath 4 fans permalink

Not giving the Big 3 financial assistance is tantamount to an economic danger the rest of the county has little idea of, and will absolutely push us into a depression. Think thing are bad now- you ain't seen nothing yet. 3 Million unemployed, this is no joke.

The is a reason Republicans are against the bailout, is because they want to see Obama and the Democrats fall, and bankruptcy of this magnitude would be all it would take to push it over the edge, and Obama is strongly in favor of a bailout. I consider Obama a smart person, he obviously knows which way the wind is blowing. Too bad fellow progressives, with their own personal agendas don't. While agree there are mistakes that have been made in Detroit in the past, now is not the time for crucifixion . This will be the first test to see if we as progressives have any unity, or if we are divided. From the looks of things we are divided, and the Republicans will find the crack and eat our lunch again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 11/20/2008
- PATina I'm a Fan of PATina 250 fans permalink
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You make a really good point. I hadn't thought about the effect of this on how it would make an Obama presidency look... or how much harder it would make for his administration to be successful. I was more concerned about the overall effect of this on all of our jobs (at least for those of us not in upper management).

But you know what... sometimes you just have to let your toddler touch the hot stove to make sure she understands the word 'hot'. Maybe it's time for Americans to truly feel the pain of a depression so that we'll really understand what this is really all about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 11/20/2008
- Cinderpath I'm a Fan of Cinderpath 4 fans permalink

No I've been to countries where people live in depression conditions, and am well versed, so I'll forgo that education, as I don't feel collectively my friends neighbors, community,citizens and states and country don't need a decade and a half long education on how rotten it is to live in depression conditions. It is interesting seeing how people complain about the economy now, and we've been living this in MI,OH, PA,WI for the last five years, and are now sliding into a depression. All we can say is, welcome to our world. I don't wish it on anybody. If it comes to that, it will absolutely torpedo the Democrats and Obama for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 11/20/2008
- iv64 I'm a Fan of iv64 permalink

These 3 flew to Washington in 3 separate private jets. When suggested they take a paycut they refused. Personally I think the management of these automakers have to go with their perks before the receive any money. Then restructure with a lot of strings attached.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 11/20/2008

I agree with that. I think loans are needed for the companies because of all the jobs attached but the ceos should actually be in the poor house, greedy m***f***ers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 11/20/2008
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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They equivalate the city population of Chicago to the amount of loss jobs in the auto industry if they fail. Can anyone imagine what will become of this mass of workers if this is allowed? Crime will become a matter of pure survival. Can society allow this? It might be YOU next, just remember we are all disposable in this country as jobs go and imports come. We the people need to stand together for one another. We need unity and we need to turn our backs on imports! American companies profiting off slave labor for huge profits need to go! People have got to quit fighting against each other and fight together to take this country back from the corrupt CEOs and government waste. We will self destruct if we remain the silent sheep followers as we continue to dissagree with each other while the country is stolen from us. Just remember YOU might be next to be targeted for job loss!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 11/20/2008
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

I can appreciate where you are coming from but trying to scare everyone into agreeing will not solve the problem. Thinking outside the box and without fear, what solutions can you come up with?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 11/20/2008
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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the working class needs to end subsidizing of big business period! This is socialism. Taking the peoples money to promote further corruption by the CEOs is wrong. let them be forced to reorganize and Im not talking just the auto. All that have lined up for $$. When their simply is no more money to be had, and unemployed becomes the majority we will depend on subsidized welfare to survive. I propose we set a day to bring this nation to its feet again by protesting to congress. take a set day and every american call or take a set day and every american stop work, enter the streets and massively protest as a single voice. leaving this in the hands of bush and paulson is furthering padding the pockets of CEOs with out solving the problems! Obama wont have a chance to reverse this. Bush is spending his time quietly signing bills furthering damage as a lame duck while the media promotes fighting amongst us over unions and wages.
Shut this country down for one day as one voice and believe me they will hear us!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 11/20/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 50 fans permalink
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The problem is this - we have millions of people employed in the American auto industry who now are being paid by private sector firms. The employees of these firms pay taxes, have health benefits, pensions and produce a product. If the country let's these guys go down we will have millions of people on unemployment, which in times of high unemployment (which is now) will morph into welfare, food stamps and medicare. Once health care benefits are lost emergency rooms will be jammed with former atoworker employees and their families and the cost is, once again, passed on to the public. I am having a very hard time trying to get around arguments that say let 'em fail. It does no one any good. It does the country no good. It does the working families only ill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 11/20/2008
- AddyGmom I'm a Fan of AddyGmom 87 fans permalink
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Doncha just love the WH answer of "no appetite' for the bailout of automakers? Just another example of the bush admin's inability to make responsible decisions AND making sure the dems will get painted with the blame brush.

I like the idea of pensions being paid out of the remaining 350Billion -- and all the CEO's, CFO's, upper management having their wages garnished until the companies start turning a profit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 11/20/2008
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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poverty stricken people have no say, they are barely allowed to vote! The destruction of the middle class at an alarming rate continues. The Repugs trash unions and americans remain divided. Wages become walmart scale nation wide and then??????? The snowball effect become irreversable. A nation of unemployed do not pay taxes! They do not own homes! They do not buy cars! All the money given to AIG and others to remain powerfull and in control. During this where has democracy gone? The free nation is gone forever and sold to China orthe Saudis. How long before this country is taken over by another? A poor country is suseptable ot others. The people need to organize, revolutionize and bring down the big business that brought us down! No more imports, get back to american basics
of producing and be gainfully employed. If we dont find a way to organize and become strong, we will
become a nation of the unemployed poor! I am not will to give up! Stop the LAME DUCK now! Call
Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-0100

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 11/20/2008
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

Perhaps if we all take a breath and stop panicking because we were told to panic solutions that are solid and lasting will start to develop. Can the big 3 all declare bankruptcy, reorganize as 1 company, develop stylish high quality, fuel efficient - alternative energy cars and put US on top of the auto industry? Some jobs will be lost but not 3mil and we will have a long lasting solution instead of a shortsighted one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 11/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

NO ! Give them what they need ... bridge loans ... help them stay afloat to save the middle-class ... just as other "industrialized" nations are doing !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 11/20/2008
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

If we are consumed by fear good clear thoughts will be blocked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 11/20/2008
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Bankruptcy is an option. One concern I have is that prospective buyers would be disinclined to buy a $25K car from a bankrupt company. This would, of course, decrease already-depressed demand. As far as combining the bIG 3 into a single entity, I don't think that the justice department's anti-trust division would go for it. I think a smarter idea is to allocate funds to each car maker based on a variety of factors such as pre-recession demand, factory efficiency and utilization levels, etc.

Whatever the "solution" turns out to be, this has to be an "all hands on deck" (sorry, I'm retired Navy) effort - unions, manufacturers, the public, etc. need to be part of the solution. Yes, it will be messy but I feel that the survival of our auto industry is a key success factor to getting ourselves out of the economic mess perpetrated by the rethugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 11/20/2008

There is a personal side to this that is being ignored. What about the retirees? There pension and health care is finished, over, done. If GM goes, so do hundreds of smaller plants that supply the main manufacturing company. The cascade affect is not only the remaining two of the big three.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 11/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

The horrific breachs of pension contracts ought to cause all retirees of all america to go MEDIEVAL !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 11/20/2008
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