Auto Industry Bailout Vote Canceled By Senate

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 19, 2008 09:16 PM EST | AP

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Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., holds up a print-out of a New York Times article as he testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2008, before a Financial Services Committee hearing on the automotive industry bailout. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. Caught in the middle of a who-blinks-first standoff are legions of manufacturing firms and auto dealers _ and millions of Americans' jobs _ after Senate Democrats canceled a showdown vote that had been expected Thursday. President George W. Bush has "no appetite" to act on his own.

U.S. auto companies employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other people have jobs producing the materials and parts that go into cars. About 1 million on top of that work in dealerships nationwide. If just one of the auto giants were to go belly up, some estimates put U.S. job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

"If GM is telling us the truth, they go into bankruptcy and you see a cascade like you have never seen," said Sen. George V. Voinovich, R-Ohio, who was working on one rescue plan Wednesday. "If people want to go home and not do anything, I think that they're going to have that on their hands."

The automakers _ hobbled by lackluster sales and choked credit _ are burning through money at an alarming and accelerating rate: about $18 billion in the last quarter alone. General Motors Corp. has said it could collapse within weeks, and there are indications that Chrysler LLC might not be far behind. Ford Motor Co. has said it could get through the end of 2008, but it's unclear how much longer.

For now, however, with the federal emergency loan plan stalled in the Senate, lawmakers in both parties are engaged in a high-stakes game of chicken, positioning themselves to blame each other for the failure.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., scrapped plans Wednesday for a vote on a bill to carve $25 billion in new auto industry loans out of the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund.

It's really up to Bush's team to act, he said.

"I don't believe we need the legislation," Reid said. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson can tap the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies, Reid said, but "he just doesn't want to do it."

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Not our responsibility, countered the White House.

"If Congress leaves for a two-month vacation without having addressed this important issue ... then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

She said there was "no appetite" in the administration for using the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies.

The White House and congressional Republicans instead called on Democrats to sign on to a GOP plan to divert a $25 billion loan program created by Congress in September _ designed to help the companies develop more fuel-efficient vehicles _ to meet the auto giants' immediate financial needs.

Voinovich and Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., along with Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, were at work on that measure Wednesday, trying to placate skeptical Democrats by including a guarantee that the fuel-efficiency loan fund would ultimately be replenished.

"It is the only proposal now being considered that has a chance of actually becoming law," said Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

If an acceptable deal emerges, Reid said it could be passed as part of a measure to extend jobless aid to unemployed workers whose benefits have run out. A vote on that bill is likely on Thursday. Negotiators were discussing a scaled-down aid package of $5 billion to $8 billion to help the automakers survive through year's end.

But there was little sign that Democratic leaders would go along.

"We have to face reality," Reid said.

They are vehemently opposed to letting the car companies tap the fuel-efficiency money _ set aside to help switch to vehicles that burn less gasoline _ for short-term cash-flow needs.

All of which leaves the Big Three bracing for a bleak winter without government help.

GM CEO Rick Wagoner told a House committee Wednesday that the downfall of his industry would ripple through communities around the nation. Pressed by lawmakers, Wagoner wouldn't say precisely when GM would run out of money without a government lifeline, but he disclosed that the company now was burning through $5 billion a month.

Still, with the $25 billion emergency package, "we think we have a good shot to make it through this," Wagoner said.

Many lawmakers in both parties are now openly discussing whether bankruptcy might be a better option for auto firms they regard as lumbering industrial dinosaurs that have done too little to adjust their products and work forces for the 21st century.

The carmakers argue that bankruptcy would devastate their companies, but proponents say it would give them a chance to reorganize and emerge stronger and more competitive.

It's unclear, though, whether Democrats controlling Congress are willing to risk being blamed for letting one of the Big Three _ symbols of the nation's once-mighty manufacturing sector _ go under.

Bailout-shy lawmakers got an earful from jittery constituents last month when the House let an early version of the Wall Street rescue fail, sending the Dow Jones industrials tumbling and erasing more than a trillion dollars in retirement savings and other investments. Congress took a deep breath and reconsidered, passing the plan a few days later.

Faced with a similar collapse in the auto industry, the Bush administration might yet decide to step in to help the auto companies, or the Federal Reserve could step in _ though both have steadfastly refused to do so.

If not, lawmakers have left themselves a contingency plan: Come back to Washington in December for yet another postelection session where they might be able to strike the deal that now seems beyond reach.

Democratic leaders are planning to gather for an economic conference the week of Dec. 8, noted House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md.

"That is available," Hoyer said this week. "The year has not ended."

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Associated Press writers Sam Hananel in Washington and Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
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I was sympathetic to the Big 3 until yesterday when the CEOs couldn't even Jetpool to the capitol. When each wa asked whether they would sell their jet and fly commercial back home, none of them raised their hands.

Let them go bankrupt. They will have re-structuring and reduced debtsd to pay off. It worked for Continental--twice. I know the argument: who would buy a car from a bankrupt company?

the response:
who's buying them anyway?

I feel bad for lost jobs--but to learn that GM hasn't even considered bankruptcy is firscal foolishness. They should have plans for every scenario--and they don't.

Let them go. the bailout won't help. Use the $25 million to fund some schools or something--to teach people something new--not wade through something old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 11/20/2008
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What would you want them to do about the loss of about 3 million jobs if the auto companies fail?

The fact that you "feel bad" about it isn't good enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 11/20/2008
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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Just announced, jobless rate at a 16 yr high! Taxes paid by workers has made this country, not taxes paid by business. This country must be gainfully employed or WE WILL FAIL completely and be suceptable to take over by others! CEOs are toxic waste and need to be removed. Crysler CEO Iaccoca worked two years for $1./yr to bring Crysler up few yrs back. These CEOs should also or be removed. Our voice neds to be heard, Please make your calls and be heard!
Office of the Speaker
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 11/20/2008
- NPA I'm a Fan of NPA 5 fans permalink
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No to all corporate welfare! The big three need paying customers the MIDDLE class. Ask yourself how much can the government give these guys for YOU to purchase one of their cars?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 11/20/2008
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3 million MIDDLE class workers will lose their jobs. How much do you think they will buy with no jobs??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 11/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

That's what trickles down to the middle class ... Bullsh^t ! Not to speak of who then pays their mortgages, school tuitions, health care costs, food or clothing !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 11/20/2008
- Angelic11 I'm a Fan of Angelic11 23 fans permalink
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Okay, you must be sitting pretty right about now because you cannot seem to see beyond the "corporates".

It is the middle class who is hurting; OBAMA, PELOSKI AND REID need to get their democratics in line with the program of saving the middle class. The screamed loud enough for the banks and insurance companies.

Get it done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 11/20/2008

Well said.....l­et the revolution begin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 11/20/2008
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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LET IT BEGIN! Make a phone call now!
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 11/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 60 fans permalink

How come Obama wasn't able to see this coming if he's so smart and promising $700-$800B in new programs during his 2 year campaign? Heck, I knew a disaster was coming starting 8 years ago when bush was elected and we were outsourcing jobs, borrowing from China, spending a fortune on a war while cutting taxes, Americans weren't saving and maxing out on credit and home equity loans. I am not a financial wizard and have impaired vision but I could see the writing on the wall. Now, I didn't know exactly what events would transpire but a collapse was 'acoming'. Even Obama got caught up in the excitement and bought a mansion in 2005 with a mortgage that with taxes and insurance equalled close to 50% of his household income. I wonder if his home is now worth less than what he paid for it aside from its 'celebrity' value. So, given all that, I'm not confident that he'll handle the worsening crisis effectively unless he has some people on board that are smarter than him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 11/20/2008
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All you ever do is whine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 11/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 60 fans permalink

Thank you for listening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 11/20/2008
- RRG64 I'm a Fan of RRG64 51 fans permalink
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Obama is not President yet.

You think GM`s problems started 8 years ago?

They have been raping the American people since the 70s and it is finally catching up with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 11/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 60 fans permalink

My point is that Obama campaigned promising a lot of spending and tax cuts as though he wasn't aware that the economy was going to tank at some point. He was spending too much time listening to his own speeches rather than looking around at what was happening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 11/20/2008
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Yea, this is all Obama fault.....­........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 11/20/2008

Too many Congressmen and former candidates are postering and playing to cameras with "cutsie" remarks that are being played over and over on all the news programs. They don't seem to realize what will happen. Yeah, some things must change in the auto industry; give the industry a list of "changes" and put in an oversight committee--not to take over, but to "keep 'em honest". How can the government "bail out" AIG and others and just ignore the millions of jobs that will be lost. It really appears that some of those in Congress are just "showboating". Please look below to see what else is going on. Hypocrites!

*** An AP story states that Kenneth Lewis, the CEO of BofA, that received $25 billion from the government, said the "financial prescription and the dosage shouldn't be dispensed to the ailing Detroit Threee automakers--unless they become the Detroit Two." Lewis was speaking to the Detroit Economic Club at Cobo Center where the International Auto Show is held. Lewis feels that "Americans are suspect of just giving more money and buying more time. They want to see that the companies have in fact changed and the strategies have changed." Lewis said that his bank was "INVITED" by the Treasury Department to take its $25 billion.**­*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 11/20/2008

if we bail out the auto industrie. we should have demands. 1. crunch the numbers and find out how much it costs to buy into medicare for single and family coverage. every one working pays their own way for health care in medicare from the c.e.o. to the bottom paid union worker. the company does not pay. this frees up $ 1,500. per vehicle. 2. find out what percentage the bottom paid worker pays for medicare from his or her wages and that percentage would apply to all workers pay cuts including medicare all the way up to the c.e.o. this will free up the money they need to retool for electric, and plug in hy-bred vehicles. the same can be done for the failing insurance giants and banks. the rest of the country could follow. this would put the country back in the right direction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 11/20/2008
- Dap I'm a Fan of Dap 51 fans permalink
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The complete lack of sound critical thinking skills that permeate the American populace is quite amazing, even after the disaster the GOP and Bush brought, half the People still don't get it,and the still are buying into the Bu$hit, and their talking points. Fact is: We are all in the same boat, if any one of the big there go down so do WE collectively. Furthermore the American auto have come a long way recently, especially GM and Ford and are bringing excellent products to our market and the world market.. The auto industry has been caught in the economic collapse also because of the Bu#h administration's lack of [roper oversight , ignorance, and avarice. Wake Up People !!! Reagannomics DON"T WORK!

Don'i be fooled AGAIN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 11/20/2008
- AZ1 I'm a Fan of AZ1 permalink

No.....

Watch the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car?"
We are all being duped. The big 3 CEO's are big phonies.

In 1996 GM indroduced the EV1 and i guess in 2010 14 years later they plan on selling the Chevy VOLT electric hybrid like it's such a new thing.

Imagine where we would be today if the automakers continued building vehicles like the EV1. Gas prices have been high for years.Ther­e has been plenty of demand for this kind of car.
They could immediately start building an upgraded versions of the EV1 car right now if they wanted too.

One sad part of the entire situation is that the cars had a waiting list of 4,000 in one city, and yet GM said there was no demand. And even with the low battery technology they got 110mpc. With Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries they can get up to 320mpc. Imagine the demand if that was advertised and published. GM leased these produced EV-1's to many people, and all of them wanted to buy the car. GM did not give them the option of buying them; they simply said thank you for trying our car, goodbye.

All GM has to show for is the chevy VOLT in 2010. The EV1 was a better car than this new chevy volt hybrid . Overall that will not save them. They are done.

LET THEM CRASH

"Who Killed The Electric Car?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Mpe7XfODk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 11/20/2008
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sapere aude, apples and oranges most importantly, NOW is not the time, and just a guess, I'll bet you don't understand kinetics very well either, to say nothing of marketing , it's much more complex than you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 11/20/2008
- JXJASON I'm a Fan of JXJASON 10 fans permalink

You do not mention the high salaries, bonuses, paying people when there is no work, early retirement, high health care costs, etc., etc, that have been the problem for 25 years.

Yes, we are all in trouble. Those who caused the trouble should fix it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 11/20/2008
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Union Buster... eh?
Reagannomics DON"T WORK!
People need a living wage, anyway now is not the time . Sapere aude please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 11/20/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 244 fans permalink
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Most of you here know far more about this than I do or ever will, but I am curious as to what would be wrong with any of the following ideas, put forward on another thread:

Amitai Etzioni: Bail Out the Workers, Not the Plants:

Rescuing the workers should take the form of paying for their retraining, relocation, and extended unemployment benefits, and even assuming responsibilities for their health insurance and retirement funds, now paid for by the Big Three. The costs of bailing out the workers are much smaller than keeping them afloat by bailing out the plants.

Carl Pope: The Peculiar Politics of Bailing Out Detroit:

The choice facing the federal government is not whether to spend billions on a bailout. It's whether to bail out the company now, in the hope of rescuing it, or to bail out the medical, pension, and unemployment costs of GM retirees, workers, and suppliers after a bankruptcy.

Francine Hardaway: Poor Obama... It Gets More Complicated Every Day:

I am heading to a conclusion that we ought to let these companies go bankrupt, and throw our energy into restructuring them forcibly while shielding them from creditors so they can continue to operate, which always happens in a Chapter 11 filing. They will get DIP (debtor-in­-possessio­n) filing, won't they? The board can then throw out the CEO if he isn't doing the job, can't it? And the company will come out stronger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 11/20/2008
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Whether or not any of the three companies fails, is bailed out, or goes into Chapter 11, the Pension and Benefits Guaranty Corporation ( a federal institution) will have to absorb the legacy costs of benefits for workers and retirees.

Bankruptcy would turn the recession into a full-blown depression, which would take eight to ten years to resolve.

Everyone is looking at these companies as though the executives and the boards are all that exist---and everyone wants them punished for their past poor performance.

That may make people feel good for a moment or two, but it does nothing for the millions who would be out of work if these companies fail.

The costs of failure are actually far greater than the costs of saving the companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 11/20/2008
- truthforme I'm a Fan of truthforme 9 fans permalink

"That may make people feel good for a moment or two, but it does nothing for the millions who would be out of work if these companies fail."

Exactly. This is the difference between being reactive vs proactive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 11/20/2008
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I dont have all the answers abby, but I do have some facts.

3 million retiree pensions are at stake.

2 million get their health care benefits from the Big 3

Chapter 11 will not work. They do not need protection from their creditors (suppliers) they need to protect them. If the Big 3 fail, so will most of the suppliers.

No one will buy a car from a company in Chapter 11. AMC tried this and failed within a year. Their buyers vanished overnight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 11/20/2008
- slc1950 I'm a Fan of slc1950 17 fans permalink
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White House Position via press secretary:

Not our responsibility, countered the White House.

"If Congress leaves for a two-month vacation without having addressed this important issue ... then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

Despite the complications and the dire nature of this situation, there is one question that comes to mind:

WHERE IS THE LEADERSHIP FROM THE POTUS?

Blame can be laid at many from the auto industry to the legislature and while the president does not make a decision on his own, he should and must have something to say to inspire confidence that this problem can be managed. He is hiding like some vermin in a hole in the ground, afraid to show his head. This is the most frightening to me - even worse than our financial problems (housing, auto and what is to come).

Think about the worst thing you have ever faced in your life and what you needed to get through it. We have nothing from this man, nothing at all. He truly is the worst president that we ever had.

January 20th 2009. Free at last. Free at last.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/20/2008

Congress had a clear chance, but values their vacation over America's well being. I think that says it all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 11/20/2008
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Agreed about congress. So essentially, no leadership anywhere. Just a bunch of lipflapping. Nothing will get done or at least nothing of value.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 11/20/2008
- gbkc I'm a Fan of gbkc permalink

these are also the same people who look down on the average american when they need help- ironic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/20/2008

What a sad bunch we democrats have representing us in congress. Don't get me wrong - I am as left-wing as they come and believe me I have no great love for CEO's. But when I see my representatives so hastily advance $700B to the white-collar banking industry and AIG I have to ask myself this: does these people hypocrites haveany respect for working folks. I understand that kind of attitude coming from the republicans but I cannot understand why democrats would be so condescending. Don't they understand that even those of us who have reached the middle class realize that working folks are the ones who made it possible to get us to where we are?

Shame on those democrats who chose to stand with wall street but not with working folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/20/2008
- AZ1 I'm a Fan of AZ1 permalink

Let's all face the real reality here:

The gas only car is DEAD.

Every new production vehicle should be hybrid, electric, or hydrogen on demand.

That should be a law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/20/2008

Some have said that the auto industry should not be bailed out. For example, one reader on my blog writes: "the government has already set a precedent of moral hazard with wall street. what makes detroit’s case any more unique?the fact is bad management should not be rewarded."

Steven
The New Republican - young Americans "reinventing" the Republican party
http://thenewrepublicans.net - we got a shoutout on Politico.com yesterday! (see: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1108/Remainders_whatever.html#comments)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 11/20/2008
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Blogpimping is frowned on.

Buy an ad if you want to promote your blog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/20/2008
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why do we care about what one reader on your blog has to say? Have him post it here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 11/20/2008
- MIMom I'm a Fan of MIMom 109 fans permalink
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Umm...Cong­rats? Buy an ad next time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 11/20/2008
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Let the oil companies bail them out. They are beholden to each other, let them take care of their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 11/20/2008
- JXJASON I'm a Fan of JXJASON 10 fans permalink

I too think that ExxonMobile, Chevron and Conocophillips have the money to bail out Chrysler, GM and Ford.

Then, maybe the oil companies can figure out how to build more fuel efficient cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 11/20/2008
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A windmill run Winnebago?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 11/20/2008
- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 45 fans permalink
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What a coincident !!! The Congress sets aside $25 Billion for big 3 to retool , refit and redesign factories to make fuel efficient cars. Suddenly the big 3 want that $25 Billion for a bail out. They want the $25 billion to do business as usual instead of retooling, refitting and redesigning factories to make models people would buy. Another bail out scam just like the $700 Billion. It was supposed to be for buying toxic loans from banks which never happened and apparently isn't going to happen. Instead Paulson if giving money directly to banks and gee wiz they are buying other banks , issuing dividends and making sure they get "proper" compensation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 11/20/2008
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The $25Bn for re-tooling is totally separate from the $25Bn they are discussing as a bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 11/20/2008
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They have spent the last 3 years retooling retraining and refitting these auto plants. Try not to parrot the GOP talking points. You sound silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 11/20/2008
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