Auto Industry Bailout Vote Canceled By Senate

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 19, 2008 09:16 PM EST | AP

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Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., holds up a print-out of a New York Times article as he testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2008, before a Financial Services Committee hearing on the automotive industry bailout. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. Caught in the middle of a who-blinks-first standoff are legions of manufacturing firms and auto dealers _ and millions of Americans' jobs _ after Senate Democrats canceled a showdown vote that had been expected Thursday. President George W. Bush has "no appetite" to act on his own.

U.S. auto companies employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other people have jobs producing the materials and parts that go into cars. About 1 million on top of that work in dealerships nationwide. If just one of the auto giants were to go belly up, some estimates put U.S. job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

"If GM is telling us the truth, they go into bankruptcy and you see a cascade like you have never seen," said Sen. George V. Voinovich, R-Ohio, who was working on one rescue plan Wednesday. "If people want to go home and not do anything, I think that they're going to have that on their hands."

The automakers _ hobbled by lackluster sales and choked credit _ are burning through money at an alarming and accelerating rate: about $18 billion in the last quarter alone. General Motors Corp. has said it could collapse within weeks, and there are indications that Chrysler LLC might not be far behind. Ford Motor Co. has said it could get through the end of 2008, but it's unclear how much longer.

For now, however, with the federal emergency loan plan stalled in the Senate, lawmakers in both parties are engaged in a high-stakes game of chicken, positioning themselves to blame each other for the failure.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., scrapped plans Wednesday for a vote on a bill to carve $25 billion in new auto industry loans out of the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund.

It's really up to Bush's team to act, he said.

"I don't believe we need the legislation," Reid said. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson can tap the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies, Reid said, but "he just doesn't want to do it."

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Not our responsibility, countered the White House.

"If Congress leaves for a two-month vacation without having addressed this important issue ... then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

She said there was "no appetite" in the administration for using the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies.

The White House and congressional Republicans instead called on Democrats to sign on to a GOP plan to divert a $25 billion loan program created by Congress in September _ designed to help the companies develop more fuel-efficient vehicles _ to meet the auto giants' immediate financial needs.

Voinovich and Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., along with Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, were at work on that measure Wednesday, trying to placate skeptical Democrats by including a guarantee that the fuel-efficiency loan fund would ultimately be replenished.

"It is the only proposal now being considered that has a chance of actually becoming law," said Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

If an acceptable deal emerges, Reid said it could be passed as part of a measure to extend jobless aid to unemployed workers whose benefits have run out. A vote on that bill is likely on Thursday. Negotiators were discussing a scaled-down aid package of $5 billion to $8 billion to help the automakers survive through year's end.

But there was little sign that Democratic leaders would go along.

"We have to face reality," Reid said.

They are vehemently opposed to letting the car companies tap the fuel-efficiency money _ set aside to help switch to vehicles that burn less gasoline _ for short-term cash-flow needs.

All of which leaves the Big Three bracing for a bleak winter without government help.

GM CEO Rick Wagoner told a House committee Wednesday that the downfall of his industry would ripple through communities around the nation. Pressed by lawmakers, Wagoner wouldn't say precisely when GM would run out of money without a government lifeline, but he disclosed that the company now was burning through $5 billion a month.

Still, with the $25 billion emergency package, "we think we have a good shot to make it through this," Wagoner said.

Many lawmakers in both parties are now openly discussing whether bankruptcy might be a better option for auto firms they regard as lumbering industrial dinosaurs that have done too little to adjust their products and work forces for the 21st century.

The carmakers argue that bankruptcy would devastate their companies, but proponents say it would give them a chance to reorganize and emerge stronger and more competitive.

It's unclear, though, whether Democrats controlling Congress are willing to risk being blamed for letting one of the Big Three _ symbols of the nation's once-mighty manufacturing sector _ go under.

Bailout-shy lawmakers got an earful from jittery constituents last month when the House let an early version of the Wall Street rescue fail, sending the Dow Jones industrials tumbling and erasing more than a trillion dollars in retirement savings and other investments. Congress took a deep breath and reconsidered, passing the plan a few days later.

Faced with a similar collapse in the auto industry, the Bush administration might yet decide to step in to help the auto companies, or the Federal Reserve could step in _ though both have steadfastly refused to do so.

If not, lawmakers have left themselves a contingency plan: Come back to Washington in December for yet another postelection session where they might be able to strike the deal that now seems beyond reach.

Democratic leaders are planning to gather for an economic conference the week of Dec. 8, noted House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md.

"That is available," Hoyer said this week. "The year has not ended."

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Associated Press writers Sam Hananel in Washington and Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
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- firewmn I'm a Fan of firewmn 63 fans permalink
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Oilman in the Whitehouse..&... Big Oil = failed economy for millions of Americans while they get fat..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 11/19/2008
- MIMom I'm a Fan of MIMom 110 fans permalink
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Ashton Kutcher on Bill Maher's show last week - let the oil companies bail them out, since the car companies are going belly up because of staying loyal to the oil companies...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 11/19/2008
- HHarvey I'm a Fan of HHarvey 29 fans permalink
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That's a great idea. Let the oil companies bail them out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 11/19/2008

Oil has continued to tell the big 3 build the big cars so who is left holding the bag!!!!

In the mean time most foreign countries have bailed out their auto industries but not Bush and his crime family. You are talking of a BIG DEPRESSION and it is coming sooner than later!!!!

We have 2 crooked senators from Tn who have gave away alot to get Volkswagon to build in Chattanooga but they will not support a bail out for our domestic car company in TN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 11/19/2008
- stanjz I'm a Fan of stanjz 6 fans permalink

The Republican Party rewards investment(the wealthy/Wall Street) and punishes workers(union). The automakers can re-work the contracts of the unions under bankruptcy law.

The Republican Party approves 700 billion or more to save investors and companies that can lay off workers with impunity. These guys are evil. I wouldn't be surprised if the auto execs are in on it after seeing the plane story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 11/19/2008

Republicans approved the bailout?

Democratic Congress last I looked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 11/19/2008

I know of two TN senators who would not support the bail out and that is Corker and Alexander and they are republican!!!

The republican senator from Ohio Voinovich said who ever doesn't support this bail out has BLOOD on their hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 11/19/2008
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

That's funny. The last time I looked it was Democrats that controlled Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 11/19/2008
- boatsfra I'm a Fan of boatsfra 4 fans permalink

Great idea...Exxon and Mobil have plenty of PROFITS to bail out the number one USER of their product! What a concept...our senators are finally waking up...killing the vote...yeah!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 11/19/2008
- boatsfra I'm a Fan of boatsfra 4 fans permalink

The big three has ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS asking for money.(period)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 11/19/2008
- boatsfra I'm a Fan of boatsfra 4 fans permalink

Anyone wonder how the car makers can afford to show a car commercial every 5 minutes??? Once they don't get any of this money, then maybe they will figure out that making cars for the future is the future! And stop showing us all these commercials!!!! Someone also said that the demand for cars will still be there..albeit Toyota, Honda and Nissan...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 11/19/2008
- dnegri I'm a Fan of dnegri 147 fans permalink

GOP tactics to ruin the union, to further cripple Blue states economies, to promote further implantation of foreign automobile plants in southern states.....it's all politics. We have one more chance, when Obama is President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 11/19/2008

Ah, you forgot the damage the UAW has wrought.

Right to work states are thriving for a reason. Good management who treat their workers fairly and no unions.

US Unions and Corporations needs a 21st century retooling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 11/19/2008
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Good management who treat their workers fairly and no unions. Oxymoron if I ever heard. Go back in this nation's industrial history before unions and you will be looking at what will happen to workers in 10 years. Remember that caveat about history repeating itself.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 11/19/2008
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The Detroit auto makers ARE building the cars I want - I want and Esclade - I want a Corvette - I want, I want - but can't afford anything about them. - price, insurance, gas and etc. What is the deal ? There is just too much competition for the auto makers to keep up with the same production. They don't need a bail out, they need to cut production to keep up with demand - Dahhhhhhhhh - The laid off workers can get jobs at Wally Mart or sneak across the border to Mexico to work for GM which is the largest employer in Mexico. Might want to check out jobs in China - After all, all the stuff in our big box retailers is made in China. We complain about the high price of imported oil but we don't complain about the cheap stuff from Communist China - We are hypocrits - and we will pay for it. America is going out of business and if you want someone to blame, look in the mirror - republicans don't have to look in the mirror, you know who you are
Cheers
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 11/19/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

All three CEOs - Rick Wagoner of GM, Alan Mulally of Ford, and Robert Nardelli of Chrysler - exercised their perks Tuesday by flying in corporate jets to DC. Wagoner flew in GM's $36 million luxury aircraft to tell members of Congress that the company is burning through cash, asking for $10-12 billion for GM alone. --Time

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 11/19/2008
- BlackTom I'm a Fan of BlackTom 11 fans permalink

It's like these guys just don't care if how bad they look, or how bad they make their companies look. Can they point to ANY emergency cost saving measures they are taking to try to hold out a little longer?
Maybe cutting production, trimming perks, selling some jets, cutting advertising, anything at all ???

We absolutlely cannot afford a CH 7 or CH 11 for these guys, the fallout would completely destabablize the rust belt and beyond. Can you imagin 40% unemployment in MI or OH?

They say they need help, so let's help. But PLEASE guys, try to do something that makes it at least look like your doing your part too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 11/19/2008
- munki I'm a Fan of munki 35 fans permalink
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Someone in the other blog said...
Let the Oil Companies to bail them out...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 11/19/2008
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Now that makes sense - after all we taxpayers just spent $1 trillion dollars to steal Iraqs oil for these turkeys - nice post

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 11/19/2008
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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Seeing that the oil companies are the greatest beneficiaries of the low CAFE standards, I think that you've struck upon a capital idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 11/19/2008
- yappnmutt I'm a Fan of yappnmutt 76 fans permalink

looks like the dimocrats are leaving their unions at the unemployment line. anyone else see the irony? who killed the labor unions once and for all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 11/19/2008
- GreyWolfSC I'm a Fan of GreyWolfSC 9 fans permalink

I see no irony in that. I think you mean incongruity. The "dimocrats" are not to blame for an auto company's poor business decisions and bad asset management.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 11/19/2008
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

So we should just give them billions of dollars with no real future plan? Just to keep them afloat with the same failed management? Seems shortsighted. We need something that will act systemically not a band-aid. The big 3 have yet to show us a plan - show us a vision that will give us hope. Get us out of this constant whirlpool of fear that is sucking us down the drain. We have some great minds in this country it is time for us to tap them and find an intelligent way out of this mess. We should not rely on these CEOs to handle this – they are incapable of thinking past their personal greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 11/19/2008
- Mr-Mikey I'm a Fan of Mr-Mikey 31 fans permalink

Regardless of party affiliation, as a whole.. F you Washington.. Quit playing chicken with 3 million jobs on the line, if you aren't going to shell out the cash.. Institute reform to keep this crap from happening again.

Do the job we elected you to do in the first place.

You fat cats have lived it up on our dollar, and our job market has crumbled. Maybe if you felt the pinch of your job niche drying up and going completely away, living for years on part time income less than 8k a year.. You'd understand how the average american values their job security.

Jerks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 11/19/2008
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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Listen, this is on the heads of the companies themselves. Wagoner is clueless and Nardelli is more of the same, the only one I have any confidence in is Mullaly.

Wagoner does not want to do what is necessary to save the company, he thinks he is GM.

Let them sweat, let them go into Chapter 11, the gov't will fund the reorganization, and make the structural changes necessary. Upper and mid management needs to go, plain and simple.

American cars suck, that is the main problem. Maybe some of these high school dropouts making $60K a year will have to take a bit of a pay cut.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 11/19/2008
- BlackTom I'm a Fan of BlackTom 11 fans permalink

Dig.
As Bruce said, "Foreman says these jobs are going boys
And they ain't coming back"

Until a person loses the gig they have worked at for years, they don't understand that they will be LUCKY to get something paying half as much or less, after looking for 6 months or more.

You CANNOT survive on unemployment, which pays so much that you don't qualify for food stamps, but not so much that you can make rent and bills and food.

I did the food bank, three jobs, and had almost given up hope when I was able to get back to what I lost. Same pay as in 2000. Thank God. That's with a long record of success. What the hell are all these folks in MI and OH going to do? They will leave, and leave behind a wasteland. Or they will stay in the new wasteland.
But these rich pricks in Congress DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. Big chunks of OH and MI are already absolute depression zones with houses selling for $10,000 because there are no jobs.

The Big 3 actually MAKE SOMETHING, as opposed to trading derivatives. Bail 'em out, attach some strings, but for Pete's sake, we are talking about millions of jobs - that's people, homes, families, whole towns and cities.
Think anyone will stay in Grosse Point when they are surrounded by desperate Mad Max types.
What would YOU DO to keep your family from starving?
What wouldn't you do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 11/19/2008
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We are a transient society and you need to adjust your thinking. Move to where the jobs are. They are not in the midwest factories anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 11/19/2008

This game of chicken is politics at its worst. Millions of jobs could be lost but both Congress and the WH sit on the sidelines - while allowing the 700B to be used to bailout banks and financial institutions who don't produce anything - who developed a casino culture on WS - exhibited sheer stupidity - and they get bonuses!?! But not the middle class workers of the Big Three!?!
Force the auto makers to make changes if necessary - give them a loan with terms and conditions (they are not asking for free money like those dimwitted WS executives)!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 11/19/2008
- openhand I'm a Fan of openhand 36 fans permalink
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It's the oilmen in the white house. They covered GM when GM killed the electric car, and we were forced to by Exxons oil for another 10 years. Exxon have massive profits, GM is on the floor and we now have to pick up the tab. Simple, Nationalize the oil companies to re finance the auto companies and if you need a lesson speak to Chavez. He is looking a whole lot smarter than our president and all his wise men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 11/19/2008
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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I don't know how much of an oilman W is, he never made a profit in Midland, not sure if he ever had a producing well in his entire career.

Nationalize the oil companies, health care, the airlines and healthcare. some industries should not be held to the whims of a broken market.

Boeing was able to make a product that the airlines wanted, which is why I still have a little faith in Mullaly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 11/19/2008
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The problem is, oil will be around for quite a while - there is an estimated 2 -3 trillion bbls in shale and sand in the world - So don't sell your Tahoe just yet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 11/19/2008
- BlackTom I'm a Fan of BlackTom 11 fans permalink

RIGHT ON
Exxon should be running to the rescue of the companies that have made them the richest companies on earth. If they won't, nationalize them. You won't hurt regular folks doing that.

But of course, that wouldn't :maximize shareholder value" which is the only reason for the existence of corporations these days.
Take away "legal corporate personhood" since they are obviously anti-human.

The Governement derives it powers FROM THE PEOPLE.
That is US, my friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 11/19/2008

It sure is rough when you have to fly in on your private jet to beg for your next million dollar bonus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 11/19/2008
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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reminds me of the welfare queen who was chauffered to pick up all herwelfare checks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 11/19/2008
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which actually turned out to be a fiction, created by Dear Ol' Ron.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 11/19/2008
- Emlyn I'm a Fan of Emlyn 11 fans permalink

It would have looked better if they had flown to Washington DC by commercial jet,.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 11/19/2008
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