Auto Industry Bailout Vote Canceled By Senate

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 19, 2008 09:16 PM EST | AP

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Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., holds up a print-out of a New York Times article as he testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2008, before a Financial Services Committee hearing on the automotive industry bailout. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. Caught in the middle of a who-blinks-first standoff are legions of manufacturing firms and auto dealers _ and millions of Americans' jobs _ after Senate Democrats canceled a showdown vote that had been expected Thursday. President George W. Bush has "no appetite" to act on his own.

U.S. auto companies employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other people have jobs producing the materials and parts that go into cars. About 1 million on top of that work in dealerships nationwide. If just one of the auto giants were to go belly up, some estimates put U.S. job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

"If GM is telling us the truth, they go into bankruptcy and you see a cascade like you have never seen," said Sen. George V. Voinovich, R-Ohio, who was working on one rescue plan Wednesday. "If people want to go home and not do anything, I think that they're going to have that on their hands."

The automakers _ hobbled by lackluster sales and choked credit _ are burning through money at an alarming and accelerating rate: about $18 billion in the last quarter alone. General Motors Corp. has said it could collapse within weeks, and there are indications that Chrysler LLC might not be far behind. Ford Motor Co. has said it could get through the end of 2008, but it's unclear how much longer.

For now, however, with the federal emergency loan plan stalled in the Senate, lawmakers in both parties are engaged in a high-stakes game of chicken, positioning themselves to blame each other for the failure.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., scrapped plans Wednesday for a vote on a bill to carve $25 billion in new auto industry loans out of the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund.

It's really up to Bush's team to act, he said.

"I don't believe we need the legislation," Reid said. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson can tap the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies, Reid said, but "he just doesn't want to do it."

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Not our responsibility, countered the White House.

"If Congress leaves for a two-month vacation without having addressed this important issue ... then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

She said there was "no appetite" in the administration for using the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies.

The White House and congressional Republicans instead called on Democrats to sign on to a GOP plan to divert a $25 billion loan program created by Congress in September _ designed to help the companies develop more fuel-efficient vehicles _ to meet the auto giants' immediate financial needs.

Voinovich and Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., along with Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, were at work on that measure Wednesday, trying to placate skeptical Democrats by including a guarantee that the fuel-efficiency loan fund would ultimately be replenished.

"It is the only proposal now being considered that has a chance of actually becoming law," said Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

If an acceptable deal emerges, Reid said it could be passed as part of a measure to extend jobless aid to unemployed workers whose benefits have run out. A vote on that bill is likely on Thursday. Negotiators were discussing a scaled-down aid package of $5 billion to $8 billion to help the automakers survive through year's end.

But there was little sign that Democratic leaders would go along.

"We have to face reality," Reid said.

They are vehemently opposed to letting the car companies tap the fuel-efficiency money _ set aside to help switch to vehicles that burn less gasoline _ for short-term cash-flow needs.

All of which leaves the Big Three bracing for a bleak winter without government help.

GM CEO Rick Wagoner told a House committee Wednesday that the downfall of his industry would ripple through communities around the nation. Pressed by lawmakers, Wagoner wouldn't say precisely when GM would run out of money without a government lifeline, but he disclosed that the company now was burning through $5 billion a month.

Still, with the $25 billion emergency package, "we think we have a good shot to make it through this," Wagoner said.

Many lawmakers in both parties are now openly discussing whether bankruptcy might be a better option for auto firms they regard as lumbering industrial dinosaurs that have done too little to adjust their products and work forces for the 21st century.

The carmakers argue that bankruptcy would devastate their companies, but proponents say it would give them a chance to reorganize and emerge stronger and more competitive.

It's unclear, though, whether Democrats controlling Congress are willing to risk being blamed for letting one of the Big Three _ symbols of the nation's once-mighty manufacturing sector _ go under.

Bailout-shy lawmakers got an earful from jittery constituents last month when the House let an early version of the Wall Street rescue fail, sending the Dow Jones industrials tumbling and erasing more than a trillion dollars in retirement savings and other investments. Congress took a deep breath and reconsidered, passing the plan a few days later.

Faced with a similar collapse in the auto industry, the Bush administration might yet decide to step in to help the auto companies, or the Federal Reserve could step in _ though both have steadfastly refused to do so.

If not, lawmakers have left themselves a contingency plan: Come back to Washington in December for yet another postelection session where they might be able to strike the deal that now seems beyond reach.

Democratic leaders are planning to gather for an economic conference the week of Dec. 8, noted House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md.

"That is available," Hoyer said this week. "The year has not ended."

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Associated Press writers Sam Hananel in Washington and Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
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The private jet thing was a PR f@#kup beyond belief, I will say it again, Toyota and Nissan who are also in trouble and being subsidized by there own governments, do not offer anything larger than a 1/4 ton pick up, with limited body and motor configurations and there is a demand in the US market for 1/2 and 3/4 ton vehicles.

Consider this GM and Ford supply ever single inboard gas engine used by US marine industry. Volvo Penta and Mercruiser are the largest and only manufactures of marine propulsion systems in the world, for both private and commercial powerboats. Considering there are more than 200 boat manufactures in the US, large and small from NY to Maine, South Carolina, Florida, California, with one of the largest and highest quality products being manufactured in Kansas. This might not be a big dea to some, but the US marine industry leads the world and nothing is out-sourced. Boat building is a regional cottage industry, which affects a lot of people. If their supply of power plants both gas and diesel dry up, they close their doors. I guess the Republican Southern caucus led by Rep. Shelby isn’t considering that most boat builders are concentrated in their states. The Republicans wants to break the UAW period, Southern states where German and Japanese companies manufacture are “right to work states”, and meaning limited labor unions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 11/20/2008
- RRG64 I'm a Fan of RRG64 51 fans permalink
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GM is still not taking responsibility for poor management, poor quality and efficiency and piss poor decision making over the last 30 years.

http://gmfactsandfiction.com/

They are blaming it on the credit industry.

Get real or get lost GM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 11/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 229 fans permalink

You get lost ... how many of those gas guzzlers did you or someone you know purchase over the past 30 years ... huh !?? How long did reThugs deny america energy efficiency and alternative fuel advances away from foreign oil ... how long !?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 11/20/2008
- truthforme I'm a Fan of truthforme 9 fans permalink

EXACTLY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 11/20/2008
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Bingo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 11/20/2008
- RRG64 I'm a Fan of RRG64 51 fans permalink
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Why attack me? LOL I didnt force GM to be stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 11/20/2008
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There's more than enough blame for every American man, woman and child to choke on. Let's find a solution to this mess that doesn't require the sale of these companies to the Chinese or some Middle East country's wealth fund.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/20/2008

A genius, this country dose not revolve around the 1.6 liter Toyota hybrid. There are a whole host of business and people who use truck based vechicals for reasons other than running to the video store. It also drives me crazy to see suburban soccer moms with 2 kids driving full size SUV's they don't need, the last time I looked this a free country, and I don't tell them to get lost. Grow up.

Buy the way my other vechical is VW Jetta which gets 35-mph, and my next one will be a VW Blue-Tech turbo diesel station wagon, which will get 45 miles to gallon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 11/20/2008
- Karma7 I'm a Fan of Karma7 5 fans permalink

For over a half century, the big 3 only produced gas guzzling cars to insure greater profits for the greedy oil fat cats, and disregarded the requests of millions of Americans to produce more economical models or electric cars.

Then they became more greedy, left American workers out in the cold, outsourced their jobs to China. Remember Michael Moore's movie, Roger and Me, which showed how GM’s CEO and Board didn't give a dam about what would happen to those American families or that city’s economy.

Now they want hard-working, struggling American taxpayers to bail them out?

I say no bail out. Screw them.

Let the Japanese, Chinese, and European companies buy those factories, employ our workers, allow unions as one of the conditions, and produce more affordable, energy efficient cars right in Detroit, and in other towns across America.

As Obama begins a new energy industry, our country will recover from the long, terrible Bush/Republican nightmare. Every political scoundrel, including Lieberman, will be voted out of Congress. Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Rove et al will be held accountable for their crimes, and the American people will start playing hard-ball with corporate and religious tyrants.

The fist step was electing President Obama, who, I believe, will help us restore our Constitutional government and make this country great again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 11/20/2008
- MIVOTE I'm a Fan of MIVOTE 143 fans permalink
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Aim the bailout at blue collar jobs, give the fat cats at the top a pink slip and restructure the company for 21st century needs. I'm not prepared to give this economy to Japan, Germany, etc. Millions of lots jobs will affect all of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 11/20/2008
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There are too many that have not seen the effects of this like we have in MI. Yestarday I was posting a link to realtyrac .com so they could see the foreclosures here in Michigan. That is what they ALL have to look forward to if the Big Three fail. It's a cancer that will spread.

And I fear nothing is going to be done til it's too late............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 11/20/2008
- MIVOTE I'm a Fan of MIVOTE 143 fans permalink
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First, it amazes me that not many uttered a word about the bailout for Lehman Brothers, Bull Stearns, etc., and that 700 bil to the banks is yet to see itself manifest in the lives of most of us on this site. Talk about voting against your best interest

That said, certainly those fat cats at the top of the auto industry companies need to be pink slipped and more creative less greedy worthy execs should take the helm. Memories die easy, but over the last 8 years, GW did little to help the auto companies, althouth they asked frequently and during his first 4 years GW wouldn't even agree to meet with them, and when he finally did after 2004 election.
The rest of the country is just feeling today, what Michigan has been enduring for the past ten years! I say, help those that work for the companies by tossing out the top, restructuring, align salaries with the rest of the country.

If anyone thinks their life will be untouched by leaving millions without a job or healthcare, think again. In addition, how much of our economy are we prepared to give to China, Japan , Germany, etc. There is certainly opportunity to become first class 21st Century industries. Time to turn the page with the old and in with the new. US then, must swallow it up and give some aid, with proper strategic planning, to finally begin to help Main Street instead of Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 11/20/2008
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Lehmann Bros. and Bear Stearns weren't bailed out.

Lehmann failed, and Bear Stearns was bought out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 11/20/2008
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 71 fans permalink

Ok Secretary of Commerce on sqwak box. just said that we don't want to put too many conditions on these companies because it could cause them 'TO FAIL'.... gosh darn I thought they were already on the verge of bankrupcy,,,,,they could fail anyway... we want the constraints to make sure the TAXPAYER MONEY IS SPENT EFFECTIVELY... Sounds like they are all afraid of what will be found if we get in there and do a reasonability/due diligence audit... WE MIGHT even find that they have been underpaying taxes or deferring them for years even in the '7 fat years'. and the executive benefits and pensions on top of the bonuses...and expenses....I tell you I do not get tax breaks for my lunches and dinners and breakfasts...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 11/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 59 fans permalink

I would love to see a list of all the cars owned by members of Congress for the past 8 years including their families. I'll bet there were a lot of gas guzzler SUVs on that list. You see. Someone was buying all the SUVs and trucks that Americans 'didn't want to buy'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 11/20/2008
- w8aminute I'm a Fan of w8aminute 16 fans permalink

Not just their personal vehicles, but think of all the government motorcades. I remember reading in one of last year's Harper Magazines that it took 16 (or so) SUVs to accompany Bush to Maryland for his exercise to ride his bike.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 11/20/2008
- MIKEBC I'm a Fan of MIKEBC 25 fans permalink
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THANK SENATE REPUBS FOR BLOCKING THE LOANS THE BIG 3 NEED, THE GOP WAR ON THE MIDDLE CLASS IS STILL GOING STRONG, I HOPE THE LAST 2 SENATE RACES GO OK AND BLOCK THE NEO CONS FROM DOING OBSTRUCTIONIST FILLIBUSTERS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 11/20/2008
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There are many Dems blocking this as well......­..spineles­s!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 AM on 11/20/2008
- anticon I'm a Fan of anticon 7 fans permalink

It appears the big 3 will have to wait for a new president.

Lets hope they have been overstating the fear factor and can survive until then.If the big 3 die the number of big box outlets that would follow will be scary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 11/20/2008
- rini I'm a Fan of rini 34 fans permalink
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I'm sorry.

That headline? That picture??

Don't try to be so cute, Huffpo. It's annoying.

Just give us facts and discussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 11/20/2008
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Besides, that looks like a Mercedes and they don't need a bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 11/20/2008
- netzwerg I'm a Fan of netzwerg 7 fans permalink
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Our government is so broke, that they even have to ask some arabs for a bailout: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ifTbaxrTlOelGQrZyTP0JWR8X65A

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 11/20/2008
- etcetc I'm a Fan of etcetc 5 fans permalink

I say let them file chapter 11, and emerge from that as United Airlines did.

We made a huge mistake in the financial bailout in that we gave them the money without and stipulations. We told them- here's your money, but we didn't put any regulations on how they had to LEND the money back to us to stop the credit crunch. So here we are now, having all the banks hoarding the money we lent them so they could lend it to us.

It's insanity..

We are doing the same wtih the auto industry. They have no plan on how they are going to fix the problem.
They should have to do the following things to get the bailout-

1. Hire new engineers & designers to make new car models.
2. Produce quality.
3. Cars ith more fuel efficiency.
4. Trim their spending.

If the can do all those things, I think we should onside giving them money. If they can't then no way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 11/20/2008

Big difference is that people will still fly on airlines in chapter 11. Most will not buy a car from a company in chapter 11. Apples & Oranges

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 11/20/2008
- w8aminute I'm a Fan of w8aminute 16 fans permalink

It's not they had competition from the Japanese or Korean or German airliners either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 11/20/2008
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

I think if they produce high-quality fuel efficient cars people will not care that they filled chapter 11. If you need to fly you buy a ticket if you need a car you research and buy the best possible car for your money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 11/20/2008

I do not believe for a second that a "bail out" of the auto industry, as currently proposed, will be aimed primarily at saving blue-collar jobs. Without a radical change in the product line, there'll be massive job cuts no matter how much $$$ the industry can suck from taxpayers. We need to build both bigger (a far more extensive public transportation system) and greener (family hybrids).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 11/20/2008

This is not a recent problem and is not limited to autos. The U.S. has been in denial about changes in the world. After WWII we were on top - but we took it to mean that we were smarter than everyone else and still underestimate the competition.

Basketball teams needs coaching and plays, the military needs planning/t­actics/str­ategy, but with the economy the free market rules. Hogwash. To prosper and remain a world leader in technology and manufacturing (necessary for national security), we need a game plan not anarchy. Should the government get into all the details? No. Should it provide the basic direction? Yes. The Big Three (many sins here) are castigated for losing to Japanese and Korean companies which benefit from protection and support.

The starting point has to be an understanding of strategic interests. What should Americans get? The world's best vehicles at a good price. These should be American designed, engineered, and made. The wrangling around this and other economic issues displays both intellectual and moral failure. Let's look abroad for best practices and stop fooling ourselves like maybe the German "barbarians" did before the Romans beat them with superior organization.

Some basic principles: aim to import raw/low end materials and add as much value as possible. Establish a system to encourage inward technology transfer on good terms. The question is not a bailout for a sustainable industry. It is how to regain world leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 11/20/2008
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LOL! Import raw materials....we USED to produce the raw materials!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 11/20/2008

As an example of what I mean, Japan long had standards, etc. on lumber and wood products that were designed to get logs from the U.S. and the do all the cutting and manufacturing in Japan. Same with other products. The real money and employment is in the value added processes. Exporting raw materials is ok. Better to do the finishing. The U.S. has let itself be treated as a third world nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 11/20/2008

Time to send John Dingell, George Bush, Bill Clinton, GHW Bush, and all individuals responsible for the losses of jobs/postponement of modernizing fuel efficient cars to Detroit.
Put them in a room with some of those auto workers who have ideas about how to proceed, give the power to the people who know the industry.
Reward the person with the creative ideas with cochairmanship of a reconstructed company, mandate that the companies only do the following:
---work with incentives to invest in the state of Michigan (retirement funds don't invest in real estate but education and state bonds),
---require that the chief honchos work the line for a minimum of six months before getting a desk,
---give the auto workers back their jobs who had lost them
---publish minutes of every single meeting of the company board/CEO etc in the weekly employee newsletter
---give bonuses to those who provide green ideas
---reward education in the fields of energy efficiency
---make the auto facilities into energy research hubs, with diversified but connected energy and research jobs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 11/20/2008
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Good ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 11/20/2008

We need to focus. Our country is in dire straits, our economy is desperate and unemployment is skyrocketing. In October 2008, Michigan's unemployment rate rose to 9.3%, the highest since July 1992. So while I agree that the Big 3 are not blameless for the situation that they face, I believe that this may not be the right time in our history to teach them a lesson. If one of these companies disintegrates, the ramifications are astounding. This isn't just about "let them fail and they'll get over it." This is about the auto workers, the suppliers, the local businesses, the universities, the car dealerships, the advertising and marketing agencies, the public schools where these people send their kids, the communities that are supported by the many people affiliated with these automakers. This is about manufacturing in this country, and most importantly, this is about people's lives - hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people - who go to work every day and try to live in these very trying times. At a time when our economy is hemorrhaging and balancing our personal budgets is challenging at best, we need to focus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 11/20/2008
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

I do not see withholding a bailout as teaching them a lesson. We need a solution that will last, not a band-aid for the next 3 months. A plan with vision and endurance needs to be developed. That will help the people in Michigan and the country for years to come.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 11/20/2008
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