Auto Industry Bailout Vote Canceled By Senate

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 19, 2008 09:16 PM EST | AP

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Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., holds up a print-out of a New York Times article as he testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2008, before a Financial Services Committee hearing on the automotive industry bailout. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. Caught in the middle of a who-blinks-first standoff are legions of manufacturing firms and auto dealers _ and millions of Americans' jobs _ after Senate Democrats canceled a showdown vote that had been expected Thursday. President George W. Bush has "no appetite" to act on his own.

U.S. auto companies employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other people have jobs producing the materials and parts that go into cars. About 1 million on top of that work in dealerships nationwide. If just one of the auto giants were to go belly up, some estimates put U.S. job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

"If GM is telling us the truth, they go into bankruptcy and you see a cascade like you have never seen," said Sen. George V. Voinovich, R-Ohio, who was working on one rescue plan Wednesday. "If people want to go home and not do anything, I think that they're going to have that on their hands."

The automakers _ hobbled by lackluster sales and choked credit _ are burning through money at an alarming and accelerating rate: about $18 billion in the last quarter alone. General Motors Corp. has said it could collapse within weeks, and there are indications that Chrysler LLC might not be far behind. Ford Motor Co. has said it could get through the end of 2008, but it's unclear how much longer.

For now, however, with the federal emergency loan plan stalled in the Senate, lawmakers in both parties are engaged in a high-stakes game of chicken, positioning themselves to blame each other for the failure.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., scrapped plans Wednesday for a vote on a bill to carve $25 billion in new auto industry loans out of the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund.

It's really up to Bush's team to act, he said.

"I don't believe we need the legislation," Reid said. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson can tap the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies, Reid said, but "he just doesn't want to do it."

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Not our responsibility, countered the White House.

"If Congress leaves for a two-month vacation without having addressed this important issue ... then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

She said there was "no appetite" in the administration for using the financial industry bailout money to help auto companies.

The White House and congressional Republicans instead called on Democrats to sign on to a GOP plan to divert a $25 billion loan program created by Congress in September _ designed to help the companies develop more fuel-efficient vehicles _ to meet the auto giants' immediate financial needs.

Voinovich and Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., along with Democratic Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, were at work on that measure Wednesday, trying to placate skeptical Democrats by including a guarantee that the fuel-efficiency loan fund would ultimately be replenished.

"It is the only proposal now being considered that has a chance of actually becoming law," said Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

If an acceptable deal emerges, Reid said it could be passed as part of a measure to extend jobless aid to unemployed workers whose benefits have run out. A vote on that bill is likely on Thursday. Negotiators were discussing a scaled-down aid package of $5 billion to $8 billion to help the automakers survive through year's end.

But there was little sign that Democratic leaders would go along.

"We have to face reality," Reid said.

They are vehemently opposed to letting the car companies tap the fuel-efficiency money _ set aside to help switch to vehicles that burn less gasoline _ for short-term cash-flow needs.

All of which leaves the Big Three bracing for a bleak winter without government help.

GM CEO Rick Wagoner told a House committee Wednesday that the downfall of his industry would ripple through communities around the nation. Pressed by lawmakers, Wagoner wouldn't say precisely when GM would run out of money without a government lifeline, but he disclosed that the company now was burning through $5 billion a month.

Still, with the $25 billion emergency package, "we think we have a good shot to make it through this," Wagoner said.

Many lawmakers in both parties are now openly discussing whether bankruptcy might be a better option for auto firms they regard as lumbering industrial dinosaurs that have done too little to adjust their products and work forces for the 21st century.

The carmakers argue that bankruptcy would devastate their companies, but proponents say it would give them a chance to reorganize and emerge stronger and more competitive.

It's unclear, though, whether Democrats controlling Congress are willing to risk being blamed for letting one of the Big Three _ symbols of the nation's once-mighty manufacturing sector _ go under.

Bailout-shy lawmakers got an earful from jittery constituents last month when the House let an early version of the Wall Street rescue fail, sending the Dow Jones industrials tumbling and erasing more than a trillion dollars in retirement savings and other investments. Congress took a deep breath and reconsidered, passing the plan a few days later.

Faced with a similar collapse in the auto industry, the Bush administration might yet decide to step in to help the auto companies, or the Federal Reserve could step in _ though both have steadfastly refused to do so.

If not, lawmakers have left themselves a contingency plan: Come back to Washington in December for yet another postelection session where they might be able to strike the deal that now seems beyond reach.

Democratic leaders are planning to gather for an economic conference the week of Dec. 8, noted House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, D-Md.

"That is available," Hoyer said this week. "The year has not ended."

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Associated Press writers Sam Hananel in Washington and Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
WASHINGTON — A Democratic Congress, unwilling or unable to approve a $25 billion bailout for Detroit's Big Three, appears ready to punt the automakers' fate to a lame-duck Republican president. ...
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Bush and Paulson have thrown 150 Billion AIGs way and the economy is still stalled yet they wont spare 25 Billion to save 3+ Million jobs. Shows what Bush and Republicans in congress priorities really are, protect the healthy and the wealthy, screw the middle class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 11/20/2008

I say we should be handing anyone tax payers money. They will just burn through it and be back for more. They will not make cars that are REALLY fuel efficient..35MPG is a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 11/20/2008
- DumbDad I'm a Fan of DumbDad 32 fans permalink
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I don't have much sympathy for companies that provided some of the worst ripoffs of my life, and I regret everything I ever had to do with any Ford, Plymouth or Buick.

However, it does seem as if the 700 billion dollar bailout which was supposed to solve the credit crunch is only saving the credit crunchers from their bankruptcies. If nobody can buy, nobody can sell, right? If the 'reality' we have to face is that there is no more credit ever, it means there is no source of wealth and we need to go to war to conquer something. I don't like the logic in that. Bailing out an industry doesn't seem so evil in some ways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 11/20/2008

Barney Frank is the cause again. He fought for loans to people that could not afford them. He fought against regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And today, he says.

``There will be a great deal of resistance in the House'' to redirecting the fuel-efficiency loans without previously approved environmental safeguards, said House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 11/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

What you say is rubbish ! Have any questions for Bu$h, Inc. !???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 11/20/2008

Not Bush this time. Sorry. Barney did it again. And he still is fighting intelligence.

Think about it. If the US automakers fail, then who does the money from the fund for the fuel efficiency loans go to? And who do they matter to. Oil is collapsing again today to around $50. Price is no longer a conern. If we lose all of our industry and we end up with massive unemployment as a result, we will get ecology beneifit naturally as people all lose their jobs and people die world wide. The Barney Frank Plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 11/20/2008
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Don't try to blame the economic crisis on the Dems. We're dealing with failures of Reaganomics, period, stop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 11/20/2008

I repeat, Barney Frank is at fault. Didn't blame the Dems as a whole, although he is a pea in a pod. All you have to do is be from Massachusetts to understand teh carnage he has caused.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 11/20/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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You're right! Don't blame the Southern opportunists who are doing the bidding for Toyota and Nissan and cheerleading the destruction of American companies.

Who cares if Republicans hate America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 11/20/2008

they took you off life support and your brain stem is failing now

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 11/20/2008
- jubo I'm a Fan of jubo 6 fans permalink
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How The Right Wing Killed Government. Watch out, it's 'tabula rasa' the other way around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 11/20/2008
- bodo I'm a Fan of bodo 7 fans permalink

An orderly liquidation would kick out the top executives, and allow the firms to re-establish themselves. Potential buyers should be supported, not the previous inefficient management. The Germans just decided not to bail out General Motors' Opel plant, and almost immediately a new buyer "Solar-World" emerged who wants to build energy-efficient hybrids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 11/20/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 27 fans permalink

For something this massive liquidation would lead to everything running down the storm drain and polluting an already toxic environment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 11/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 59 fans permalink

Consider that if the Big 3 could start making highly efficient, smaller cars tomorrow and also that gasoline prices stayed low or even lower. Americans would then go back to large SUVs and trucks and leave GM, Ford and Chrysler with lots full of unsold high tech hybrids or flex fuel cars which likely will be more expensive just as the Prius is while the SUVs and trucks are being heavily discounted. Ya see. Americans are STUPID. There. I've said it. Will they prove me wrong in the coming months and years by shopping and acting wisely and responsibly?

Right now with the economy and Wall Street looking pretty grim they went out a spent a bundle on the latest 007 movie, for example. Those are not just financially secure people who blow $10-$12 on a movie. I'm sure there are many who won't have a job by the end of the year or are maxed out on their credit cards or are having trouble making mortgage payments. Detroit, health care, education, infrastructure, retirement funds are all in trouble but Americans still love to play. I'm not optimistic when people's priorities are so upside-down as they've been in this country for decades. I wonder how many of the expected 4 million attendees to the inauguration will go home to a foreclosure or a lost job while they were enjoying themselves.

Like they say, you can't fix stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 11/20/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 374 fans permalink
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You use a really poor example when you cite going to the movies. The movies are what sustained many during the Depression - it's called an *escape*.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 11/20/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 27 fans permalink

Goldiggers of 1933 Redux.
Starring Anna Faris.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 11/20/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 59 fans permalink

Is 'escape' really the appropriate response to a severe economic crisis? How about saving some money for a rainy day or re-assessing your expenses. But, no, you like so many others choose to 'escape'. Well, good luck when your job is gone while you were eating popcorn at the cineplex. I used the movies as an example. Americans p*ss away money on so many non-essentials which is fine when times are good but stupid right now. I would rather Hollywood deal with reduced revenues than Detroit but Americans wouldn't stand for that and that's why we are in such trouble. Meanwhile, most essential goods and services don't get the resources they need such as health care, education, infrastructure repairs and so on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 11/20/2008
- truthforme I'm a Fan of truthforme 9 fans permalink

You can't fix stupid, but you can tax it. A gasoline tax that keeps the cost of filling their tanks up will encourage the purchase of hybrids etc. and the money can be used for infrastructure.

Our government CAN steer people in the right direction, if it WANTS to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 11/20/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 27 fans permalink

We need a base that is founded upon heavy-industry.
Otherwise we are become H.G. Wells 'Eloi'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 11/20/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 374 fans permalink
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You know, I really hate that this not so hidden b0mb was in the economy set to go off after the election or inauguration of the next President. But on many levels, I wish it would have held out for a couple more months. I think, Obama would have won anyway - mostly, because Palin was such a horrible pick. And we'd have been better for the delay.

This is pitiful to watch, knowing that we are so close to sane leadership - and yet there is nothing that PE Obama can really do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 11/20/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 27 fans permalink

A lot of people posting here saw this coming over a year ago.
As a non-forward thinking society we chose to be casually ignorant of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 11/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

P.E.Obama did ... see this coming that is ! This is purely Bu$h.Inc.'s political arrogance ! Paulson continues to go fetch .... CEOs of auto industry hold hostages as well ... the american working people !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 11/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

True ! It's painful to watch !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 11/20/2008
- FirstShirt I'm a Fan of FirstShirt 63 fans permalink

A little earlier and it would have been more interesting. McCain lost momentum because the economy took top spot and Iraq was going better so there wasn't the pressure for a president with foreign policy credentials.

Now Rangel and other democrats are FOR the bailout of the auto industry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 11/20/2008
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Yes -- and Bush will try to sab.otage Ob every chance he gets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 11/20/2008
- Meteor I'm a Fan of Meteor 11 fans permalink


Having arrived in Washington DC in their corporate jets, the big three CEOs are looking for a
bailout/handout from Congress.

Actions speak louder than words. Good Morning, America! Aren't we a little late for a reality check?

The future of our country will not depend on bailouts and handouts, but on reality checks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 11/20/2008
- truthforme I'm a Fan of truthforme 9 fans permalink

to bad we can't cash those reality checks at the bank . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 11/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

Is that anything new ... CEOs of corporate america !?? Aren't they supported by reThugs who don't even know how many homes they own !? Or believe it's no deal to spend $150k on a moose !??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 11/20/2008
- FirstShirt I'm a Fan of FirstShirt 63 fans permalink

Sorry Gladys. your buds in the democratic party like Barney Frank and Rangel are leading the charge to save the auto industry. Barney suggested it might go as high as 40 billion of your dollars.

Nice job, dems. Didn't take long for them to belly up to the trough for their handout, did it"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 11/20/2008
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Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 11/20/2008
- LCRover001 I'm a Fan of LCRover001 18 fans permalink

This failure will not jus affect these swine it will affect millions of blue collar working class, so stop allowing the union busters and pension pullers from directing you toward retribution toward the top hats, when it is the Joe and Jane worker who are going to suffer when these companies go into bankruptcy like the Republicans want, out right fail or are sold to the Chinese.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 11/20/2008

i believe some of the Washington pols want to stick it to Detroit because of the labor unions.

Rep. Wamp got on my last nerve last night talking about low wages and stiffing workers on healthcare was good thing and the bailing out Detroit was a bad thing.

Yet he voted for the bank bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 11/20/2008
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Was that the guy from TN? I just caught part of it, I think. As if the labor unions were the big problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 AM on 11/20/2008

He is from TN.

The people in Washington against this bailout always go back to labor and pensions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 11/20/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 27 fans permalink

I think there is a move afoot to standardize the wages of the bulk of the Middle-Class and convert them to the On-The-Hook Working-Poor. Slaves to the discount houses of our import-starved Nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 11/20/2008

I agree. Republican pols seem to hate high wages, healthcare, and pensions because they site those as the reasons we should not bailout Detroit.

Here is my problem. There are many manufacturing companies in Wisconsin, who make parts for Ford and GM, aren't paying high wages to their workers.

What do we do about them? It isn't their fault.

Should everyone work at Wal-Mart? That seems like the on vialble business. And a business who makes a killing from guv'ment handouts, BTW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 11/20/2008

I agree. Republican pols seem to hate high wages, healthcare, and pensions because they site those as the reasons we should not bailout Detroit.

Here is my problem. There are many manufacturing companies in Wisconsin, who make parts for Ford and GM, aren't paying high wages to their workers.

What do we do about them? It isn't their fault.

Should everyone work at Wal-Mart? That seems like the on vialble business. And a business who makes a lot of money from guv'ment handouts, BTW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 11/20/2008
- BuckeyeGal I'm a Fan of BuckeyeGal 4 fans permalink
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It's worse than that.
A little recap, if I may?
Back in the 80s, lots of good union jobs left the industrial north, rustbelt, whatever you want to call it, to the non-union, right to work states. They laughed at us, made fun of the fact they were undercutting our good union wages and benefits.
NAFTA passed in the 90s. Those same right-to-workers didn't think it was so funny when their jobs suddenly pulled up stakes and headed to Mexico. The Mexicans laughed at the gringos.
A few years ago, the Mexicans were not so happy when their plants were shuttered, and their jobs headed to the sweatshops of SE Asia.
Where will it end?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 11/20/2008

I want to know how many people are going to loose their pensions when the automakers go belly up....because that is the way the bankruptcy law was written...­..........­it is like nobody even considers retirees..­..........­......thei­r pensions were earned over decades. i think the state of michigan will go belly up........­.......wha­t will it be like when the lawmakers stagger back from their lengthy paid vacation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 11/20/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

Absolutely ... who cares about hard earned pensions or the people who provided the labor in this country !?? As a retiree who worked like an Egyptian slave for too many years, I think it's time for a labor/worker revolution!!

P.E.Obama asked that some of that $$$ be chanelled to Main St. in the first place !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 11/20/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 374 fans permalink
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The pensions are one of the biggest reasons that there should be no bankruptcy. Businesses have been merrily going into bankruptcy for a decade now, shedding themselves of their pension obligations and hosing the workers.

I don't understand how folks are so unaware of this - or how they so callously just don't care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 11/20/2008
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 27 fans permalink

Applied ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 11/20/2008
- OutsiderSA I'm a Fan of OutsiderSA 8 fans permalink
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If the financial bailout did not fail so dismally, or if these guys were there before the banks, lets take the latter, would you have been in favor?

Seems many were opposed to the scam of the banks but these 3 seem to get a free pass.

3 months, that is all it would buy unless they found a way to sell their "crap"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 11/20/2008
- MIMom I'm a Fan of MIMom 109 fans permalink
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No, not a free pass. Tag on restrictions, fire the top brass. Don't scr.ew 3M people because of pettiness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 AM on 11/20/2008

The CEO's need to GO! The companies need to be saved! Only wall street gets saved? This is where the regular people will be wiped out!! This will be the death of the union, and folks.. without the union there will be NO pensions left out there for anyone but the mega millionaires. Who will make our military items without the big 3?? CHINA?? Notice it's the repugs shouting the loudest about no help.. same people who were telling us we HAD to bailout wall street immediatly. Those retirees put in their time and paid their union dues to have a pension... and yet they are the ones who will be driven into poverty.. the little man always getting forgotten!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 11/20/2008
- OutsiderSA I'm a Fan of OutsiderSA 8 fans permalink
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The little fella always gets screwed - capitalism 1 on 1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 11/20/2008
- sunzen I'm a Fan of sunzen 4 fans permalink
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You are exactly right!!! Save the auto industry...whatever that looks like! We are on the precipice people...if you are in the big city bubble of the east and west coasts you wont understand but believe me if Gm is let to into bankruptcy you will understand. It wont be pretty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 11/20/2008
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Morning all.

Big mistake. I hate the idea of another bailout -- but this just affects too many ordinary working people - just trying to make a living. If the auto industry goes -- we're in for a long and deep economic depression.

Give them the money, FIRE the sorry-a$$ CEOS, and attach some strings (such as forcing the industry into the 21st century by making fuel-efficient cars).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 11/20/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

The money is already allocated. Why are banks the preferred borrower?

They were run WELL? Is that why we're devoting the entire 700 billion to that sector?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 11/20/2008
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I know. It's crazy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 11/20/2008
- sunzen I'm a Fan of sunzen 4 fans permalink
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I wonder how many bankers were on Private Jets yesterday that got 25 billion from the Feds?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 11/20/2008
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