Big Three Lobby Capitol Hill Again Today Amidst Fleeting Chances For Auto Bailout

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KEN THOMAS | November 19, 2008 03:58 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Top Senate Democrats suggested Wednesday that a bill to rescue Detroit's Big Three automakers was stalled and challenged the Bush administration to take steps to save the industry if congressional efforts falter. The White House quickly rebuffed the suggestion.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada sought to lower expectations of reaching a deal on the $25 billion proposal before Congress quits for the year.

While he told the Senate he still hoped lawmakers could agree to an auto deal in the "next day or two" of the current lame-duck session, he added: "If we can't do it here legislatively, I would hope that the secretary of Treasury would listen loud and clear because they could take this into their own hands and do what I think is appropriate from their perspective."

Responded White House press secretary Dana Perino: "There's no appetite for that." She said it was up to Congress to act.

Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd, D-Conn., was even more downbeat, calling the possibility of reaching agreement "remote."

"I don't see how in the next few days this is going to move forward," Dodd told reporters. Still, he added, "That does not mean that there are not opportunities." He suggested that the Federal Reserve could possibly step up to the job.

The difficulties of striking a deal on the package before a new president and a new Congress with expanded Democratic majorities take office appeared to be too great to overcome. The deadlock persisted even as the heads of General Motors, Ford and Chrysler returned for a second day to plead for relief and as their congressional backers urged colleagues not to punish them for past mistakes.

General Motors Corp. CEO Rick Wagoner told the House Financial Services Committee that collapse of the U.S. auto industry could lead to a loss of 3 million jobs within the first year and ripple throughout communities around the nation.

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In sometimes contentious testimony, Wagoner was pressed on when GM would run out of money if the loans weren't extended.

He said he couldn't say precisely, but that the company now was burning through "$5 billion each month."

Still, with the $25 billion emergency package, "We think we have a good shot to make it through this," Wagoner said. He said he anticipated that, if the package is approved, GM would qualify for about $10 billion to $12 billion of the money.

President George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress have been reluctant to use the Treasury Department's $700 billion financial bailout program to finance the loans.

The White House wants Congress to draw the $25 billion from an Energy Department program established to encourage production of fuel-efficient cars.

Perino said Wednesday the administration supports legislation to authorize just that, but will not go along with the proposal by Democratic leaders that an additional $25 billion be taken from the government's existing $700 billion Wall Street bailout fund.

"The purpose of the $700 billion was clearly intended for financial institutions, and we wanted to keep that whole," Perino said. .

If Congress quits without taking any action, "then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," Perino said.

Congressional Republicans battled uphill to try to pick up Democratic support for the White House plan to allow auto companies to draw emergency loans from the $25 billion fuel-efficiency fund.

Democratic leaders have rejected such a course, and environmentalists don't want that money used for anything other than its intended purpose.

But the GOP approach, being crafted by Sens. Kit Bond, R-Mo., and George Voinovich, R-Ohio, would require the automakers to plow back into the fund repaid loans, interest and income from equity stakes.

The proposal, outlined in a position paper obtained by The Associated Press, is intended to satisfy Democrats concerned about raiding the fuel-efficiency loan program. Since auto makers would not be tapping those funds immediately, supporters argue, the money would be restored by the time they were needed.

During the House hearing Wednesday, Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., asked the three auto chiefs seated at the witness table before him to raise their hands if they had come to Washington on commercial airliners. No hands went up. Then he asked if any planned to sell their corporate jets. Again, no hands went up.

Sherman and Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., told the auto executives they were having a hard time justifying to their constituents bailing out companies whose chiefs fly around in expensive private jets.

Ackerman said there was "a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off them with tin cups in their hands. ... It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo."

A Senate vote on an automotive bailout plan, which would also extend jobless benefits, could come as early as Thursday, but it clearly lacks the necessary support to advance.

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Associated Press writers Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Sam Hananel contributed to this story.

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- flabingo I'm a Fan of flabingo 7 fans permalink

Is it true that the three presidents flew to the meeting on three different private planes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 267 fans permalink

yes... And Obama on my money i gave to his campaign flew to Hawaii on a very big jet.

Do I think it was foolish looking for them to do that, yes... Were they alone or did they have their staffs... Likely we are talking about 12 people on each jet..


And what does that however have to do with 3 million more jobs being lost and our largest industry>

Regards

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 11/19/2008
- truelockCA I'm a Fan of truelockCA 9 fans permalink

Do you build the Viper by chance? You already at the "Job Bank"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 11/19/2008
- Purobi I'm a Fan of Purobi 13 fans permalink

I did not know the three CEOs have secret service protection and their safety is a big issue. Wow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 11/19/2008

Viper,
What it has to do with is the extremely poor judgment of these executives. Giving them 25 billion is throwing good money after bad. These executives are dinosaurs and have run their ships aground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 11/19/2008
- jham710 I'm a Fan of jham710 2 fans permalink
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To quote Ashton Kutcher the other night on Bill Maher, let the OIL companies bail out the Big 3! They've benefited the most from big SUVs over the past several years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 11/19/2008
- GerryS I'm a Fan of GerryS 50 fans permalink
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if AK really said this maybe he has some brains after all---------

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 11/19/2008
- rockyb26 I'm a Fan of rockyb26 129 fans permalink
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omg. i was just about to type that! so true. people don't realize that the auto companies were under control of the oil companies. my dad has worked for bechtel for 35 years and tells me that the oil companies keep buying and hiding the patents for more fuel efficient vehicles to keep us reliant upon gas guzzlers. it's so obvious. they've had record profits the past few years and this is the reason. they should be responsible for bailing out the auto companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 11/19/2008
- Synoia I'm a Fan of Synoia 6 fans permalink

my dad has worked for bechtel for 35 years and tells me that the oil companies keep buying and hiding the patents for more fuel efficient vehicles to keep us reliant upon gas guzzlers.

Bullshit. First & Second laws of thermodynamics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 11/19/2008
- Jenababy I'm a Fan of Jenababy 8 fans permalink

My dad worked for years at Shell Oil, he worked in the chemical lab, with a chemist who told him he'd found a gas alternative that could be mixed with water and would not require gasoline to run a combustible engine. He told dad he'd never have to go to a gas station again. Dad thought he was joking, until he came to work and found out the man had left the company without a word. Dad said he'd talked to him several years later, at a chance meeting and he told dad it was millions of dollars he got from Shell, for the formula. To his dying day he swore it was true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 11/19/2008
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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My dream!

Big 3 get the money, but all senior executives are fired and replaced by rank and file employees!

Snowball's chance in hell, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 267 fans permalink

Most of their CEOs are new by the way.. they have been restructuiring. The cars are very good now. Thye have the most hybrids. Ford may well take the mileage lead. Thye have the better avg flett miles per gallon. Its healthcare cost that kills them.. their competitors dont have healthcare cost.
Its not having a protected market like Japan or China or Korea or Europe.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 11/19/2008

I, for one, believe that some sort of bridge loan or bailout of the Big Three is a necessary evil right now. Not to reward past mistakes, but to save the MILLIONS of jobs that directly rely on the auto sector. Why are banks entitled to $700 billion, but the automakers can't get even 5% of that? Something stinks here.

There have to be very serious strings attached to this, but too many jobs are at risk. What could be more stupid and short-sighted than allowing millions of jobs to die at a time of the worst crisis in the last 80 years? How does that make any sense? Paulson is doling out BILLIONS to his investment banking cronies with NO OVERSIGHT, yet people cry foul that the automakers want some too. What the automakers did for the past 30 years was pure stupidity, whereas the investment banking industry's actions in the mortgage crisis and financial derivatives market are criminal.

Nothing matters right now more than jobs. Conservative estimates say that a collapsed Big Three would cost over 3 MILLION jobs and ripple across the entire economy. Why is Paulson not being investigated and watched? Paulson is a fromer CEO of Goldman Sachs, do we have any question as to his loyalties here? He's doling out billions to cover the criminal decisions of his banker buddies, and no one is saying a word. But the Big Three wants 5% of that amount and is told to go away? WTF

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 11/19/2008
- truelockCA I'm a Fan of truelockCA 9 fans permalink

Ch 11, re-organize with better leadership, toss out the UAW (We will not make any concessions!), rehire employees who want to make a fair wage with benefits, The diehard UAW men/women can go to the, now, non-existent "job bank", and hopefully the big 3 will start making cars people want to buy and are able to do it profitably.

I don't want taxpayer bailout money going towards that 60 year old business model. What did Obama say ? "Change we can believe in"! Change at the top and get rid of the outdated UAW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 267 fans permalink

Again Choater 11 is not an option. It protects you from Creditors. They need massive cash inflow. Thats no help. People dont buy 30K long term items, that require warranties and parts from companies in bankruptcy. Banks dont loan money secured by products from bankrupt companies. Their part suppliers are in worst shape and will fold immediately.

The UAW labor rats are running 14-17 per hour average and with the next contract rounds would be comparative to the compettition. its the healthcare problems..­. The rest of the MFGs have National healthcare and protected markets.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 11/19/2008

The national health care in Germany costs approx. twice as much per employee than a typical insurance here in the US. And the markets in Germany are so "protected" that Ford and GM have very healthy sales there.

Cheers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 11/19/2008
- NewArtz I'm a Fan of NewArtz 83 fans permalink
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The laborers were making an inferior product designed by management. Get rid of management. They're short sighted and haven't got a clue how to turn a profit on a good product because they imagined they knew more than they did. Fire them and promote lower paid workers to their position and cut the salaries for those positions until those in the position can work hard to turn a profit. Why penalize American labor, because upper management didn't have insight, wisdom or ingenuity? There are a lot of smart people who could do a hundred times better with a fraction of the salary.

Why pay for fat, when green is lean. We've seen the handwriting on the wall, and it says, "Hey, losers, you've had 20 years to save the environment & the economy, but you insisted on destroying both. Crime doesn't pay."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 11/19/2008
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And an inflow of cash (quoted as Chrysler/$8Billion, Ford/$8B and GM/$10B) will last 3-4 months. So that is the big job saver? Without reorganizing and refocusing their production, how is this even a mid-term solution? GM has been reorganizing their business for 5 frigging years and they haven't come close to getting it right. Giving this money to incompetent management is money pi$$ed down the drain.

Please think before you post.

Regards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 11/19/2008
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The UAW never said the will not mkae ANY concessions, they have said they have ALREADY made concessions. In case you did not notice, the UAW went on strike last year over the concessions necessary to stay competitive. The 2009 contract has new hires making $12 per hour. Who can raise a family on that??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 267 fans permalink

And thats about what min wage of a 1.25 in 1966 ,adjusted for inflation would be equal to today.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 11/19/2008
- truelockCA I'm a Fan of truelockCA 9 fans permalink

But they are not competitive?!! There are a ton of people willing to work for $12/hour these days!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 11/19/2008
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Can't sell a car in China unless you build it in China. With NAFTA, why not just pass a law that states if the vehicle isn't made in NA, you can't sell in NA?

It's about the worker and the taxes, not the corporation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 11/19/2008

If all you could buy are vehicles made in NA, I would have to drive an 18mpg sub-par SUV instead of my 48mpg Prius.

Cool... and the Sheiks are counting their money...

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 11/19/2008
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The point is for those type of vehicles to be made here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 267 fans permalink

GM has over 30 models that get over 30 miles per gallon. The Mercury Hybrid SUV gets better than 32 ( and thats an honest number). The new Ford Hybrid now coming out is well into the 40s..

Even a corvette gets 26 MPG on the highway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 11/19/2008

This is just incredible. Let me point out that in 2006, Europe produced no less than 115 cars that were rated at 40/mpg or more! The US? A total of 2. The Honda Insight and Toyota Prius. That's 115 to 2!!!! We are ALL at fault for this auto mess. We have enjoyed $1 gas for so long we never looked far enough in the future t see the train wreck coming. I lived in Europe for 3 years and gas is 5-6 bucks a gallon--always. They got it, we didn't. And now we suffer. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 11/19/2008
- truelockCA I'm a Fan of truelockCA 9 fans permalink

You can thank the environmentalists for that ratio. I would be interested to see how many would pass our rigid emmissions & safety laws. Cancel all the high mileage diesels and your down to 15 to 2. Get rid of the midget cars and it's probably 6 to 2...maybe. Ford makes a high efficient car in Europe called the KA...they love it. They CANT sell it here. Why? The environeme­ntalists/d­ems

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 11/19/2008
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And the Europeans do not have insurance and cra-sh standards that we have in the US. Not one single of their cars would pass safety inspections here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 11/19/2008

Congrats. You have seen the light.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 11/19/2008

Yes. And apparently a few here have not. truelockCA misses the entire point here. They have been forced to build smaller/LIGHTER cars that get better millage. And should I mention again I lived there for 3 years. I saw worse smog in the US by far. Just BS. Whining and complaining. Let's blame the environmentalists and the "dems"--sure, that will fix the problem. GMAFB.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 11/20/2008
- k1k2lee I'm a Fan of k1k2lee 16 fans permalink

I am SO tired of this "losing interest" in helping the automakers - an industry that actually employs millions and actually MAKES something, even if you have problems with the products they made. We need to agree to lend these guys some money with some major strings attached. Not like how we just handed over billions to a bunch of derivative traders who do NOTHING to help the economy, create jobs or sustain our manufacturing base. The legislature needs to develop some cajones. AND NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 11/19/2008

We don't "need" to lend anybody anything. They wanted to make large SUVs and semi-trucks and nothing else and spent millions on lobbying to be allowed to do so. Now they are circling the drain. Whose fault is that?

Let me hear the sweet sound of the water flushing the US car companies to where they belong... the pipe to the waste water treatment plant. That is where the crap goes in a civilized society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 11/19/2008
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I thought the repugs were good at fear mongering.­.......

GM has 274 different divisions making the same cars with different head and tail lights. These are directed at the 9,000 different market segments they've identified. How this makes any sense in this new economy, well it just doesn't. GM isn't the badass, push people around high volume company it still thinks it is. It's called denial.

Honda -- 2 divisions
Toyota -- 3 divisions
BMW -- 2 divisions
Daimler -- 2 divisions
Kia -- 1 division
Nissan -- 2 divisions

and so on and so on and.......­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 11/19/2008

After listening to the putative testimony of reps. of the Big 3 the following (slightly modified) quote from Shakespeare's, 'Julius Caesar,' comes to mind: "The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our 'cars' but in ourselves.­"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 11/19/2008
- betz55 I'm a Fan of betz55 39 fans permalink

First of all get rid of all those loud, vulgar TV commercials advertising gas guzzling SUV's and trucks from Detroit, then get rid of the management who cannot be trusted to EVER develop green cars once they get their hands on OUR money.

Second, gives these so called CEO's some remedial field trips to the japanease car factories to show them how it's done.

Third, shut down almost all of the 7000 car dealerships that have these companies by the balls with their almost unbreakable contracts. In contrast, the Japanease have just 1500 dealerships.

And fourth, these car companies have had YEARS to get with the program and they haven't. Remember when we bailed them out years ago? What did they do? Push even more big cars and trucks down our throats.

LET THEM FAIL. Then maybe they will stop being ignorant, and expect us to be ignorant and learn what the public wants and needs. GREEN !

LET THEM FAIL.

Fourth, force the unions to renegotiate updated, better contracts for their workers and the public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 267 fans permalink

How its done in Japan.

1) First Japan Inc gives you interest free loans.
2) The Japan , Inc pays for their reearch and development.
3) Then they protect the market their from imports such that the Japanese pay twice as much for the same car there as here so they make a great profit there and can sell at no profit here to gain market share..
4) Then the Japanese government pays for the employees healthcare giving them a $2,000 price advantage over U.S. car MFGs.

Europe starting in the 1980s limited Japan imports to under 20% of its market because of Japans dumping. Toyota never shows a profit in the U.S. Only the U.S. car companies compete in an unprotected market and are not government subsidized.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 11/19/2008

Here is how it is done in Japan: Toyota is still profitable.

End of story.

Cheers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 11/19/2008

Wow a mess that was made 20 years ago.......­it's our fault GM and ford tried to build us better cars but we AMERICANS wanted SUV's so we could carry 1 wife and one kid.....an­d gas was 1.35 a gallon..no­w we all blame the crack dealer for selling us our addiction.­.we cannot let them go under, if we do America will be an empty shell..mak­e GM FORD, Chrysler, and the UAW work it out ......no one needs to get 75.00 an hour for putting a car together 35-40 yea..not 75..no CEO should make 60 million it's not right..it'­s greed all over...and the Republicans will bail out banks..but not a company that employes millions of americans they want them to fail so Obama can get the blame.....­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 267 fans permalink

The average autoworker wage is between 14 -17 bucks per hour. At the end of the current contract GM labor is at same level as competitors. Big problem is the U.S. helathcare system.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 11/19/2008

THE UNION PAYS FOR ALL RETIREES HEALTHCARE .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 11/19/2008
- munki I'm a Fan of munki 34 fans permalink
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File Chapter 11 and clean house... reorganize­... bring experts from overseas if needed...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 11/19/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 267 fans permalink

Will not work! This are capital intensive operations. Thye need cash inflow, not just protection from creditors.


Their part suppliers are in worst shape and will all fold . People do not buy major long term investments from companies in Bankruptcy if given any other choice. 150 million cars in theu US and no repair parts.

With the ripple effect, increased forclosures and etc this will cuase , even the foreign assemblers will be laying off since there acars are not selling either.

This will cost 3 trillion and its a depression of they fall. 100 billion tops to save them.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 11/19/2008
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That was the argument used for the airlines years and multiple chapter 11s ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 11/19/2008
- munki I'm a Fan of munki 34 fans permalink
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You have a point, but the US automakers are operating as pyramid - meaning, one command down the system, while successful foreign automakers are operating as reverse pyramid = obtaining consensus of several departments heads involved in operations = to brainstorm, coordinate and work together effectively by going through the process.

If we bailout the same old system, we are just putting our money in a drain like pouring money in a bottomless pail. What would you suggest is the best? with all of the above being said...

I suggest... let them file Chapter 11 and those suppliers to obtain temporary SBA or whatever loan from the government until the big guys can reorganize themselves­...
But not to the old school boys, executives bleeding the company of their ego, pride and greed (sorry... but they demonstrated by pampering themselves on a private jets)... Successful system uses CONSENSUS = brainstorm with each area of experts... fuel efficient, low maintenance and comfortable cars... design, manufacture, assembly safety, marketing to... whatever takes for daily operations­...

KillTheMessenger = you are absolutely right... if you don't buy US cars what does it make the difference. But we need to save America and American. If so, the big guys and its executives better start working to fix the problem... Not just go to Capitol Hills and ask money without plan or answers... They are NOT QUALIFIED as EXECUTIVES or to run a company with TAXPAYERS money...

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 11/19/2008

Top management at the big three caused this problem. They don't listen to the public. If anything is given to them, top management must go. Keep only the best designers and workers. The managers who are brought in must look at long term goals not the bottom line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 11/19/2008
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 59 fans permalink

First replace Congressman John Dingle as chair of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce with Henry Waxman and then give all three CEOs of the big three brain transplants or replace them with people who understand the notion of giving the customer what they want: a good quality car that is energy efficient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 11/19/2008
- canuck59 I'm a Fan of canuck59 3 fans permalink

Why not tap Exxon for the loans. Makes sense to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 11/19/2008
- Jenababy I'm a Fan of Jenababy 8 fans permalink

The oil companies and the big 3 have enjoyed raking us over the coals for years. I'm all for taking some of those windfall profits the oil companies have been reaping for months and using that to bail out the car companies. It was always to their advantage to have gas guzzling vehicles, let them pay for it now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 11/19/2008
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 9 fans permalink
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Sounds like a plan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 11/19/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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So long Steel industry

Goodbye auto accessories industry

Bon Voyage NASCAR

Take it easy Auto dealerships and their many many mechanics and employees

Bye bye 1/8th of the Automotive Insurance biz

Peace Out Goodyear, Bridgestone

Say hello to 20% unemployment Ohio and Michigan.


You have your Senators and Congress persons to thank for all of this.


Merry Christmas I hope you can afford gifts for your children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 11/19/2008
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WE in MI will have closer to 35-40% unemployment. WE are already at 8.9%. Our schools and hospitals are closing. The cities cannot afford basic services. Small businesses are failing at alarming rates. Home foreclosures are growing each and everyday.

Go to www.realtytrac.com put in zipcodes like 48383, 48075, 48201, etc.

That is what the rest of American will look like if the Big 3 fails. We are the petri dish, if Washington cannot see the handwriting on the wall, then God help us all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 11/19/2008

"You have your Senators and Congress persons to thank for all of this."

Um, don't you think the auto industry itself deserves most of the blame? They've been fighting tougher fuel efficiency standards for years. They insisted that higher standards would threaten their ability to produce cars in the US, and these scare tactics convinced Congress it should be left to the market to decide.

Well, the market has spoken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 11/19/2008
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 9 fans permalink
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Uh, the steel industry was decimated a few years ago when China was allowed to 'dump' their steel here and people lost their jobs- where was the bailout then? My husband and I didn't get one when he lost his steel related job twice in 2 years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 11/19/2008
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