Big Three Lobby Capitol Hill Again Today Amidst Fleeting Chances For Auto Bailout

digg Share this on Facebook Huffpost - Big Three Lobby Capitol Hill Again Today Amidst Fleeting Chances For Auto Bailout stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS

KEN THOMAS | November 19, 2008 03:58 PM EST | AP

Compare other versions »
I Like ItI Don’t Like It

WASHINGTON — Top Senate Democrats suggested Wednesday that a bill to rescue Detroit's Big Three automakers was stalled and challenged the Bush administration to take steps to save the industry if congressional efforts falter. The White House quickly rebuffed the suggestion.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada sought to lower expectations of reaching a deal on the $25 billion proposal before Congress quits for the year.

While he told the Senate he still hoped lawmakers could agree to an auto deal in the "next day or two" of the current lame-duck session, he added: "If we can't do it here legislatively, I would hope that the secretary of Treasury would listen loud and clear because they could take this into their own hands and do what I think is appropriate from their perspective."

Responded White House press secretary Dana Perino: "There's no appetite for that." She said it was up to Congress to act.

Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd, D-Conn., was even more downbeat, calling the possibility of reaching agreement "remote."

"I don't see how in the next few days this is going to move forward," Dodd told reporters. Still, he added, "That does not mean that there are not opportunities." He suggested that the Federal Reserve could possibly step up to the job.

The difficulties of striking a deal on the package before a new president and a new Congress with expanded Democratic majorities take office appeared to be too great to overcome. The deadlock persisted even as the heads of General Motors, Ford and Chrysler returned for a second day to plead for relief and as their congressional backers urged colleagues not to punish them for past mistakes.

General Motors Corp. CEO Rick Wagoner told the House Financial Services Committee that collapse of the U.S. auto industry could lead to a loss of 3 million jobs within the first year and ripple throughout communities around the nation.

Story continues below

In sometimes contentious testimony, Wagoner was pressed on when GM would run out of money if the loans weren't extended.

He said he couldn't say precisely, but that the company now was burning through "$5 billion each month."

Still, with the $25 billion emergency package, "We think we have a good shot to make it through this," Wagoner said. He said he anticipated that, if the package is approved, GM would qualify for about $10 billion to $12 billion of the money.

President George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress have been reluctant to use the Treasury Department's $700 billion financial bailout program to finance the loans.

The White House wants Congress to draw the $25 billion from an Energy Department program established to encourage production of fuel-efficient cars.

Perino said Wednesday the administration supports legislation to authorize just that, but will not go along with the proposal by Democratic leaders that an additional $25 billion be taken from the government's existing $700 billion Wall Street bailout fund.

"The purpose of the $700 billion was clearly intended for financial institutions, and we wanted to keep that whole," Perino said. .

If Congress quits without taking any action, "then the Congress will bear responsibility for anything that happens in the next couple of months during their long vacation," Perino said.

Congressional Republicans battled uphill to try to pick up Democratic support for the White House plan to allow auto companies to draw emergency loans from the $25 billion fuel-efficiency fund.

Democratic leaders have rejected such a course, and environmentalists don't want that money used for anything other than its intended purpose.

But the GOP approach, being crafted by Sens. Kit Bond, R-Mo., and George Voinovich, R-Ohio, would require the automakers to plow back into the fund repaid loans, interest and income from equity stakes.

The proposal, outlined in a position paper obtained by The Associated Press, is intended to satisfy Democrats concerned about raiding the fuel-efficiency loan program. Since auto makers would not be tapping those funds immediately, supporters argue, the money would be restored by the time they were needed.

During the House hearing Wednesday, Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., asked the three auto chiefs seated at the witness table before him to raise their hands if they had come to Washington on commercial airliners. No hands went up. Then he asked if any planned to sell their corporate jets. Again, no hands went up.

Sherman and Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-N.Y., told the auto executives they were having a hard time justifying to their constituents bailing out companies whose chiefs fly around in expensive private jets.

Ackerman said there was "a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off them with tin cups in their hands. ... It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high hat and tuxedo."

A Senate vote on an automotive bailout plan, which would also extend jobless benefits, could come as early as Thursday, but it clearly lacks the necessary support to advance.

___

Associated Press writers Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Sam Hananel contributed to this story.

(This version CORRECTS quote to "private luxury jets."))

WASHINGTON — Top Senate Democrats suggested Wednesday that a bill to rescue Detroit's Big Three automakers was stalled and challenged the Bush administration to take steps to save the industry i...
WASHINGTON — Top Senate Democrats suggested Wednesday that a bill to rescue Detroit's Big Three automakers was stalled and challenged the Bush administration to take steps to save the industry i...
Filed by Dan Duray  |  Report Corrections
 
Comments
421
Pending Comments
0
iPhone App Promo

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next › Last » (10 pages total)

Ford depends on Model T to lift them out of Bankruptcy!

"Frankly, I think we've gotten so concerned with adding frills like GPS navigational systems, seat belts, and exhaust pipes that we've forgotten what really matters: open-air bench seating," Mulally said. "We promise that each Model T that comes off the line will last much, much longer than today's cars. Face it, we just don't make them like we used to."

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/ford_reintroduces_model_t_line

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 11/19/2008

All four of then should have carpooled in a Chevette running on those funny little spare tires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 11/19/2008

Hysterical -- I would pay to see that. See Big 3, it's not that hard to come up with ideas people will actually pay for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 11/19/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
photo

I wonder if the Big 3 would be having this much trouble if their industry was based in Texas, Utah, Arizona, or Waslla, Alaska...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 11/19/2008
photo

That was really dumb, why blame it on Michigan??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 11/19/2008
photo

Here's an idea. Why doesn't the government compromise.

Let's give the Big3 half of what they are asking for. Since any good executive worth his salt is asking for at least double what they need, giving them half is really what they want. This money will be distributed only once to help them through 2009.

In exchange, they will accept Chapter11 reorganization. Most of the sins of their past (low Café standards, high labor, pension and health care costs, idle workers being paid 95% of salary, exorbitant execute salaries and bonuses, closing unprofitable dealerships) can be rectified and most contracts can be renegotiated.

Being leaner/meaner will help insure their survival to be more competitive with their foreign transplants. Obviously, it will take time to renegotiate these contracts and completely clean house. What better time to implement a bold new strategy than when you are burning through money with no options left. This bridge loan will hold them over until the new terms are signed and the new strategies are put into place.

The government wins because they aren"t simply dumping money into a black hole. They also limit the rhetoric that they aren"t providing any assistance and accelerating the demise of major manufacturing and 2-3 million workers. The Big3 have a perfect out to stamp out legacy contracts which give their rivals a significant cost advantage. To be competitive in a global economy, you have to do what right for the viability of the company and its shareholders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 11/19/2008

Question: when a company goes into reorg and rectifies pension and health care costs for retirees, as you suggest, then what? You tell those 75-year-olds living on a fixed income that they're out of luck? Or does the government picks up the tab? If the government picks up the tab, is that really saving taxpayer money compared to assisting ongoing companies with hundreds of thousands of tax-paying employees?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 11/19/2008
photo

YUP! scr-ew the old folks!

And who would buy a car from a company in bankruptcy? No one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 11/19/2008
photo

Good question.

I don't know the language of these contracts, but they will still be the obligation of the car companies. Whose to say whether they will lower the pension amount or even raise it?? By filing for Chapter 11, the Big 3 have options they do not have today to lower their inherent costs.

The Big 3 have to look at the big picture and cut out the inefficiencies that are making them uncompetitive. Pension costs may ot may not be a big chunk of this?? Certainly there are many costs that have to be reexamined to get them in line with their competitors. On the other hand, if any of the Big 3 go belly up next year, you can bet there will be no pension for anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 11/19/2008
- PSTEN I'm a Fan of PSTEN 10 fans permalink
photo

Bankruptcy allows a company to walk away from their pension or legacy costs. Thats not to say that GM will do this but you can count on them cutting back on these costs and reducing the pensions and health care etc, benefits. It would without a doubt cause massavie hardship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 11/19/2008
- Scar1 I'm a Fan of Scar1 7 fans permalink
photo

And I can spell but, excuse the errors. But, when you have had it anything flys. So fly away GM, Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 11/19/2008
- Scar1 I'm a Fan of Scar1 7 fans permalink
photo

And my mother and father; grandparents paid taxes and never go the 44 acres or dung from a bailout.
They sold milk bottles to set up their businesses and built boats with their carpentry skills to sail the sea and run another business-that is corporation. And get this they had a home and when Hurricane Hazel hit they had insurance. The Insurance corporation saw they were diversed and paid nothing. We had to live with a torn off roof and sleep in one room but, we collected used lumber and fixed it. And we did not pay or buy any more insurance. So, much for corporation. And then when grandmother had her leg amputed and she paid ahead on her policy-they told her to kiss off with her money invested. So bull you know what.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 11/19/2008
- Samalabear I'm a Fan of Samalabear 73 fans permalink
photo

Well, I am glad to see the corporate yet issue came up and that was a bipartisan feeling. I don't know how you can overcome the privileged attitude of these CEOs. If the other countries are indeed shoring up their auto makers, as they clearly seem to be, then perhaps we should do something, but there must be ironclad conditions from both management and the unions. We can't afford to have another giveaway. And, I, too, question whether GM can survive anyway with $10 to $12 billion if they are blowing through $5 billion a month. Heck, I don't believe that Circuit City will be able to come successfully out of Chapter 11 in the economic climate we're in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 11/19/2008

Everyone will step up to help Wall Street executives keep their pensions, bonus and stock options. But when an entire industry (and it won't just be the auto manufactures because so many other industries have close ties to the auto companies) Congress is "bored". Ed Schultz couldn't have said it better today - we'll vote to fund a trillion dollar war but on the verger of more economic collapse for AMERICANS, we won't do squat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 11/19/2008

So the committee wants to punish the CEOs for flying on private jets. The CEOs have been fine and will be fine, they could live on a year's salary for the rest of their lives. But what about the 3 million people who could lose jobs and healthcare if all three of these companies fail? Why is the committee worried about the CEOs and not the actual workers? And even if they are anti-union, what about the hundreds of thousands of non-union and white collar employees who will also lose everything?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 11/19/2008
photo

And when AIG goes on a $400,000 junket, Paulson yawns and waves it off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 11/19/2008

the headline reads:

"Senate Losing Interest
In Bailout For Out Automakers"

does that mean gay automakers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 11/19/2008
- Teritt I'm a Fan of Teritt 9 fans permalink

You would think Washington would care about these auto industry jobs - not just because of the millions of people that would lose their jobs, or the billions that taxpayers would be stuck with for their healthcare or pensions and unemployment, or the millions/billions lost in taxes, but just in terms of selfish things like all of the SUV's in the government motorcades. How many Feds can fit in a Prius anyway?

I find it so amazing that so many people here have all the answers (and scorn) for Detroit. How many employees of the Big 3 also rely on assistance like people in our large retail industry? When WalMart workers get food stamps, or SCHIP, etc, isn't that government assistance? Look at how much is paid in taxes by the employees. And isn't Congress partly responsible for giving tax write-offs for large vehicles like Hummers? Americans wanted and bought SUVs and trucks - and Detroit made them. They also made high mpg cars but Americans didn't want those. Now that tastes changed again, can we afford to let 1 out of 10 American jobs disappear because of our fickle tastes? I lived through the steel industry going away in Western PA in the 70s. 1 out of every 10 families today don't want to relive that hardship. Tie whatever strings you want to the rescue plan, but don't let them fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 11/19/2008
photo

The execs and union came to town with the following proposal:

The taxpayer will put $25 billion on the table to rescue the car companies

The execs will put nothing on the table.

The unions will put nothing on the table.

Oh, ok, see ya later. Let us know if you change your mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 11/19/2008
- w8aminute I'm a Fan of w8aminute 19 fans permalink

Execs will work for $1, unions already agreed to pay part of their healthcare costs which lowers the cost per worker down to the import-auto worker average. And if the Big3 do fail, do you think all the foreign manufacturers here will be paying the same wages to all of their American workers? I wouldn't bet on it. We will have an even smaller middle class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 11/19/2008
- wm1066 I'm a Fan of wm1066 34 fans permalink
photo

Don't bail out the Executives, just give the auto industry a government contract to build jeeps or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 11/19/2008

Let Bush have the tar baby. We don't need a bailout, if he wants one, he should do it himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 11/19/2008
- DMcMillan I'm a Fan of DMcMillan 9 fans permalink
photo

This article popped up with a GM Hummer add dead center in the middle of it.
It reminds me of seeing a "support our troops" stickers on cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 11/19/2008
photo

In the NEWS:

1. China is bailing out their Auto Industry
2. Toyota, BMW, Mercedes all have new cars sitting around on lots and are seeking more space!

So save our companies so we can compete!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 11/19/2008
photo

Toyota, Honda, Kia and BMW have received monies from their governemnts to get them through this rough patch.

Every other government in the world see that a thriving auto industry is vital to their National economic health. The US has never been keen on what is good for the little guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 11/19/2008

No need to jump off the cliff just because somebody else did it ahead of you.

Toyota is in great shape. So is Honda. BMW and the rest will make it. GM, Chrysler and Ford won't, no matter how much money you burn. Let go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 11/19/2008
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next › Last » (10 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

 You must be logged in to comment. Log in  or connect with 

Connect