California Supreme Court To Hear Cases Challenging Gay Marriage Ban

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LISA LEFF | November 19, 2008 09:13 PM EST | AP

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Rev. Amos Brown, a national board member of the NAACP, raises his hands as he speaks to a large crowd of supporters of same-sex marriage, as they cheer in front of San Francisco City Hall on Saturday, Nov. 15, 2008. Thousands of demonstrators gathered to listen to speakers and protest the passage of Proposition 8, a ballot measure amending California's constitution to ban same-sex marriage. The event is part of a simultaneous protest planned in in hundreds of communities. (AP Photo/Darryl Bush)

SAN FRANCISCO — California's highest court agreed Wednesday to hear several legal challenges to the state's new ban on same-sex marriage but refused to allow gay couples to resume marrying before it rules.

The California Supreme Court accepted three lawsuits seeking to nullify Proposition 8, a voter-approved constitutional amendment that overruled the court's decision in May that legalized gay marriage.

All three cases claim the measure abridges the civil rights of a vulnerable minority group. They argue that voters alone did not have the authority to enact such a significant constitutional change.

As is its custom when it takes up cases, the court elaborated little. However, the justices did say they want to address what effect, if any, a ruling upholding the amendment would have on the estimated 18,000 same-sex marriages that were sanctioned in California before Election Day.

Gay rights groups and local governments petitioning to overturn the ban were joined by the measure's sponsors and Attorney General Jerry Brown in urging the Supreme Court to consider whether Proposition 8 passes legal muster.

The initiative's opponents had also asked the court to grant a stay of the measure, which would have allowed gay marriages to begin again while the justices considered the cases. The court denied that request.

The justices directed Brown and lawyers for the Yes on 8 campaign to submit arguments by Dec. 19 on why the ballot initiative should not be nullified. It said lawyers for the plaintiffs, who include same-sex couples who did not wed before the election, must respond before Jan. 5.

Oral arguments could be scheduled as early as March, according to court spokeswoman Lynn Holton.

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"This is welcome news. The matter of Proposition 8 should be resolved thoughtfully and without delay," Brown said in a statement.

Both opponents and supporters of Proposition 8 expressed confidence Wednesday that their arguments would prevail. But they also agreed that the cases present the court's seven justices _ six of whom voted to review the challenges _ with complex questions that have few precedents in state case law.

Although more than two dozen states have similar amendments, some of which have survived similar lawsuits, none were approved by voters in a place where gay marriage already was legal.

Neither were any approved in a state where the high court had put sexual orientation in the same protected legal class as race and religion, which the California Supreme Court did when it rendered its 4-3 decision that made same-sex marriage legal in May.

Opponents of the ban argue that voters improperly abrogated the judiciary's authority by stripping same-sex couples of the right to wed after the high court earlier ruled it was discriminatory to prohibit gay men and lesbians from marrying.

"If given effect, Proposition 8 would work a dramatic, substantive change to our Constitution's 'underlying principles' of individual equality on a scale and scope never previously condoned by this court," lawyers for the same-sex couples stated in their petition.

The measure represents such a sweeping change that it constitutes a constitutional revision as opposed to an amendment, the documents say. The distinction would have required the ban's backers to obtain approval from two-thirds of both houses of the California Legislature before submitting it to voters.

Over the past century, the California Supreme Court has heard nine cases challenging legislative acts or ballot initiatives as improper revisions. The court eventually invalidated three of the measures, according to the gay rights group Lambda Legal.

Andrew Pugno, legal counsel for the Yes on 8 campaign, said he doubts the court will buy the revision argument in the case of the gay marriage ban because the plaintiffs would have to prove the measure alters the state's basic governmental framework.

Joel Franklin, a constitutional law professor at Monterey College of Law, said that even though the court rejected similar procedural arguments when it upheld amendments reinstating the death penalty and limiting property taxes, those cases do not represent as much of a fundamental change as Proposition 8.

"Those amendments applied universally to all Californians," Franklin said. "This is a situation where you are removing rights from a particular group of citizens, a class of individuals the court has said is entitled to constitutional protection. That is a structural change."

The trio of cases the court accepted were filed by six same-sex couples who have not yet wed, a Los Angeles lesbian couple who were among the first to tie the knot on June 16 and 11 cities and counties, led by the city of San Francisco.

SAN FRANCISCO — California's highest court agreed Wednesday to hear several legal challenges to the state's new ban on same-sex marriage but refused to allow gay couples to resume marrying befor...
SAN FRANCISCO — California's highest court agreed Wednesday to hear several legal challenges to the state's new ban on same-sex marriage but refused to allow gay couples to resume marrying befor...
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- DHC I'm a Fan of DHC 4 fans permalink

Finally this news is reported on HuffPo. I just wrote Arianna a letter asking her why HuffPo lagged behind other media outlets in reporting this story while at the same time the Huckabee verbage story on The View has been posted all day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 11/19/2008
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Rightly so. There is no doubt this is heading for overturning, it violates state law not having gone before the legislature. And why is the Mormon Church not losing their tax exempt status, they obviously have used their power and money to inject themselves in politics, and should be punished accordingly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 11/19/2008

That is the next challenge we need to bring before the Court.

When does a group cease to be a religious organization and become a political action committee?

Can any organization use religious freedom as cover for overtly political purposes and avoid taxation?

What are the limits of Religious freedom?

Maybe a solution is for an Amendment that expands on the limits of Churches to promote political issues. Since those limits currently exist, expanding those limitations would truly be an Amendment and not a Revision to the Constitution.

Article I, Section 4, states that limits do exist on the religious liberty:
"Free exercise and enjoyment of religion without discrimination or preference are guaranteed. This liberty of conscience does not excuse acts that are licentious or inconsistent with the peace or safety of the State."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 11/19/2008
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Sign me up - I'll donate all my spare time. I am literally SICK of religion and religous groups delving deeper into the political process - probably to the detriment of their humanitarian work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 11/19/2008
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Gosh!! How can you put people's rights on a ballot???? OK..next time let's say..."Mar­riage will be defined as a union between one white man and one white woman." Yep-let's vote!!!! It is crazy!! Homosexuality is certainly NOT a choice. Gay couples should have all of the same perks..tax­es...insur­ance..that straight couples do. I have a friend at work who has been married FOUR times in the past 20 years. Every time she gets married she gets all of those perks. Yet, a gay couple that has been together for 20 years gets nothing... Sad!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 11/19/2008
- zippy01 I'm a Fan of zippy01 5 fans permalink

Wasn't there a legal vote by the citizens of California? So when we don't get the results we want, we throw a fit and sue. Almost like when children don't get their way. Sad really, and does not gain the movement much support among some. The country is a mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 11/19/2008
- SpaceboySD I'm a Fan of SpaceboySD 17 fans permalink
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It's not legal if the proposition changes the constitution dramatically, and since this was the case, BY LAW, props such as 8 MUST go through the Legislative branch. It is considered dramatic because you are TAKING AWAY rights given to people by the Supreme Court. MY RIGHTS are affected by this, and I am no different than any other person living in the US. We all deserve EQUAL rights and EQUAL protection under the law. We are all AMERICANS who should be allowed to wed whom we please. There is a REASON for separation of Church and State, because marriage is a CIVIL right, not a religious one.

Letting Prop 8 pass allows for other majorities to rule on a minorities rights, both civil and religious. How would you feel if a majority ruled and took away your rights? You can never understand until it happens to you. Open your mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 11/19/2008
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It was not legal, it needed to go before the state legislature before the state constitution can be amended. So, you are wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 11/19/2008
- Eric8869 I'm a Fan of Eric8869 25 fans permalink

Sorry our civil rights are not the same as a kid not getting a toy.

When you can't visit your spouse in the hospital and they die alone - then you can make the analogy. Until then. Shut it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 11/19/2008
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Having a little trouble grasping the fact that civil rights in America trumps the tyranny of the majority?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 11/19/2008
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Zippy, you disappoint me. I thought we cleared this up already?

Since when do we legislate discrimination?

I called it earlier: the CA Supreme Court will just have to rule it unconstitutional -- again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 11/19/2008
- eyecon I'm a Fan of eyecon 8 fans permalink
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Unfortunately, there was a serious tactical error (so what else is new in opposition to 8?). Apparently, Equality California should have requested an emergency stay within 24 hours of the election. Make no mistake about it, this is going to be a difficult hill to climb. I am hoping for the best but less than optimistic. Keep in mind that opponents failed to keep this off the ballot to begin with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 11/19/2008
- zippy01 I'm a Fan of zippy01 5 fans permalink

I have to play devils advocate sometimes. Some intelligent things can come about. Also, some pretty hateful things get said, but that comes with the territory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 11/19/2008
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