Cheney Indictment Moves Forward In South Texas

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CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN | November 19, 2008 09:25 PM EST | AP

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U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, left, and Vice President Dick Cheney are shown in this 2006 file photo at the White House. Cheney and Gonzales have been indicted on state charges involving federal prisons in a South Texas county that has been a source of bizarre legal and political battles under the outgoing prosecutor. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais, file)

RAYMONDVILLE, Texas — A Texas judge has set a Friday arraignment for Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and others named in indictments accusing them of responsibility for prisoner abuse in a federal detention center.

Cheney, Gonzales and the others will not be arrested, and do not need to appear in person at the arraignment, Presiding Judge Manuel Banales said.

In the latest bizarre development in the case, the lame-duck prosecutor who won the indictments was a no-show in court Wednesday. The judge ordered Texas Rangers to go to Willacy County District Attorney Juan Guerra's house, check on his well-being and order him to court on Friday.

Half of the eight high-profile indictments returned Monday by a Willacy County grand jury are tied to privately run federal detention centers in the sparsely populated South Texas county. The other half target judges and special prosecutors who played a role in an earlier investigation of Guerra.

One indictment charges Cheney and Gonzales with engaging in organized criminal activity. It alleges that the men neglected federal prisoners and are responsible for assaults in the facilities.

The grand jury accused Cheney of a conflict of interest because of his influence over the county's federal immigrant detention center and his substantial holdings in the Vanguard Group, which invests in private prison companies.

The indictment accuses Gonzales of stopping an investigation into abuses at the federal detention center.

An attorney for the private prison operator The GEO Group filed motions accusing Guerra of "prosecutorial vindictiveness."

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One motion said Guerra had hijacked "the grand jury process and disregarded the requirements of the Code of Criminal Procedure designed to protect defendants' due process rights."

Some attorneys argued that Banales may not have the authority to schedule an arraignment because the indictments were invalid. One lawyer said Guerra never should have been allowed to present the cases to the grand jury because at least four of the indictments deal with people who had some role in the investigation of his office last year.

"He is the witness, the victim and the prosecutor," said the attorney for Mervyn Mosbacker Jr., a former U.S. attorney who was appointed special prosecutor to investigate Guerra.

District Clerk Gilbert Lozano, District judges Janet Leal and Migdalia Lopez, and special prosecutors Mosbacker and Gustavo Garza, a longtime political opponent of Guerra, were all indicted on charges of official abuse of official capacity and official oppression.

The grand jury tied all of their charges to an earlier investigation of Guerra's office.

Banales dismissed an indictment against Guerra last month charging him with extorting money from a bail bond company and using his office for personal business. An appeals court had earlier ruled that a special prosecutor was improperly appointed to investigate Guerra.

After Guerra's office was raided as part of the investigation early last year, he camped outside the courthouse in a borrowed camper with a horse, three goats and a rooster. He threatened to dismiss hundreds of cases because he believed local law enforcement had aided the investigation against him.

Guerra has been in office nearly 20 years, but was defeated in the March Democratic primary.

RAYMONDVILLE, Texas — A Texas judge has set a Friday arraignment for Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and others named in indictments accusing them of re...
RAYMONDVILLE, Texas — A Texas judge has set a Friday arraignment for Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and others named in indictments accusing them of re...
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For someone with a serious heart problem, he appears to be so out of shape and old beyond his years. Someone is wasting his time with this indictment. So far not one of Bush's people have taken accountability for anything. Not 9/11, not Katrina, nothing....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 11/20/2008

I understand you don't like Vice President Cheney and that's fine but what exactly did he do that so warranted a Grand Jury indictment? Does anyone here know what Vanguard is? Vanguard, as in the Vanguard Family of Funds. All he has is a mutual fund with Vanguard and his fund owns a very very very small share of a company that runs prisons. I own multiple mutual funds in my Fidelity retirement account and one of the funds, Fidelity Contra Fund has holdings in 361 companies. Another fund in my retirement account, Fidelity Magellan Fund has holdings in 251 companies. So by your logic I and Vice President Cheney should know every company held by our specific funds? That is one of the most asinine bordering on insane statements I have heard.Someone please make a cogent argument as to why he should be indicted and subsequently found guilty of the above-referenced "crimes". Please help me out by making a legitimate not a harebrained argument.

- The facts are VP Cheney holds a retirement account with the Vanguard Family of Funds and one of the funds he holds has a very very very small share of ownership (so small it's insignificant) in a company that runs prisons. So now tell me how VP Cheney is culpable, thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 11/20/2008

Where do we start...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 11/20/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 78 fans permalink

don't stop there, there is a long list of things he can be indicted on. Include the shooting of that
lawyer also! Cheney is scum!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 11/20/2008
- Donns I'm a Fan of Donns 10 fans permalink

Is shooting a lawyer a crime?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 11/20/2008
- glesslib I'm a Fan of glesslib 24 fans permalink

Apparently not....if you are drunk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 11/20/2008
- patianneb I'm a Fan of patianneb 18 fans permalink
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Cheney should be deported and turned over to the law enforcement authorities in one of the countries whose citizens were nabbed, held and tortured without any proof of any crime.
Obviously the Dark Side is his only side and the only thing that arrogant glob of mutant DNA would ever understand .... that and the billions he has stolen from the American taxpayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 11/20/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 113 fans permalink

Unlike Cheney himself, we're a humane people--just turn him over to the Hague and I will be satisfied.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 11/20/2008
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Like Guantanamo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 11/20/2008

I understand you don't like Vice President Cheney and that's fine but what exactly did he do that so warranted a Grand Jury indictment? Does anyone here know what Vanguard is? Vanguard, as in the Vanguard Family of Funds. All he has is a mutual fund with Vanguard and his fund owns a very very very small share of a company that runs prisons. I own multiple mutual funds in my Fidelity retirement account and one of the funds, Fidelity Contra Fund has holdings in 361 companies. Another fund in my retirement account, Fidelity Magellan Fund has holdings in 251 companies. So by your logic I and Vice President Cheney should know every company held by our specific funds? That is one of the most asinine bordering on insane statements I have heard.Someone please make a cogent argument as to why he should be indicted and subsequently found guilty of the above-referenced "crimes". Please help me out by making a legitimate not a harebrained argument.

- The facts are VP Cheney holds a retirement account with the Vanguard Family of Funds and one of the funds he holds has a very very very small share of ownership (so small it's insignificant) in a company that runs prisons. So now tell me how VP Cheney is culpable, thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 11/20/2008

Where do we start...?
(dot-dot-dot duly noted this time)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 11/20/2008

I WOULD ALMOST HAVE GIVEN A YEARS SALARY TO SEE CHENEY AND ROVE PERP WALKED FROM THE WHITE HOUSE IN HANDCUFFS. THESE CREEPS WILL UNFORTUNATELY GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING AND PAY NO PENALTY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE WRONG AGAINST THIS COUNTRY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 11/20/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 113 fans permalink

It would have been nice for them to have shown up in person for the arraignment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 11/20/2008

I understand you don't like Vice President Cheney and that's fine but what exactly did he do that so warranted a Grand Jury indictment? Does anyone here know what Vanguard is? Vanguard, as in the Vanguard Family of Funds. All he has is a mutual fund with Vanguard and his fund owns a very very very small share of a company that runs prisons. I own multiple mutual funds in my Fidelity retirement account and one of the funds, Fidelity Contra Fund has holdings in 361 companies. Another fund in my retirement account, Fidelity Magellan Fund has holdings in 251 companies. So by your logic I and Vice President Cheney should know every company held by our specific funds? That is one of the most asinine bordering on insane statements I have heard.Someone please make a cogent argument as to why he should be indicted and subsequently found guilty of the above-referenced "crimes". Please help me out by making a legitimate not a harebrained argument.

- The facts are VP Cheney holds a retirement account with the Vanguard Family of Funds and one of the funds he holds has a very very very small share of ownership (so small it's insignificant) in a company that runs prisons. So now tell me how VP Cheney is culpable, thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 11/20/2008

As a man once so famously said, "If I owned Hell and Texas, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 11/20/2008
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to show you what a useless rag the NY Times has become, there's no mention of this indictment on the front page.

The Times also suppressed information about the anti-war movement before we went into Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 11/20/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 113 fans permalink

Strange, because it made The Chicago Tribune yesterday. Go figure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 11/20/2008

I understand you don't like Vice President Cheney and that's fine but what exactly did he do that so warranted a Grand Jury indictment? Does anyone here know what Vanguard is? Vanguard, as in the Vanguard Family of Funds. All he has is a mutual fund with Vanguard and his fund owns a very very very small share of a company that runs prisons. I own multiple mutual funds in my Fidelity retirement account and one of the funds, Fidelity Contra Fund has holdings in 361 companies. Another fund in my retirement account, Fidelity Magellan Fund has holdings in 251 companies. So by your logic I and Vice President Cheney should know every company held by our specific funds? That is one of the most asinine bordering on insane statements I have heard.Someone please make a cogent argument as to why he should be indicted and subsequently found guilty of the above-referenced "crimes". Please help me out by making a legitimate not a harebrained argument.

- The facts are VP Cheney holds a retirement account with the Vanguard Family of Funds and one of the funds he holds has a very very very small share of ownership (so small it's insignificant) in a company that runs prisons. So now tell me how VP Cheney is culpable, thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 11/20/2008

Where do we start...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 11/20/2008
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BUSH CANNOT PARDON CHENEY AND GONZALES. This is a state case, presidential pardons are only permitted for federal convictions. Calm down everyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 11/20/2008
- messy I'm a Fan of messy 41 fans permalink
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No. The President can pardon anybody for any crime for any reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 11/20/2008
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Yup, that's correct Article 2 section 2. Dag nabit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 11/20/2008

No, Messy, you are incorrect. The President can pardon federal crimes. He has no pardon power over state prosecutions/convictions. Look it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardons#United_States

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 11/20/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 113 fans permalink

And someone answered me the other day that Gov. Perry cannot issue a pardon until AFTER a conviction. No preemptive pardons a la Gerald Ford/Nixon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 11/20/2008
- Donns I'm a Fan of Donns 10 fans permalink

We are dealing with Texas here. Remember Tom Delay and Rove and all the good ole boys. More power to the judge who is trying to get to the truth but don't think for one minute that the people who own Texas will let it happen. I recommend that everyone go read "FOLLOW THE MONEY" to get a good idea of how Texas operates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 11/20/2008

I understand you don't like Vice President Cheney and that's fine but what exactly did he do that so warranted a Grand Jury indictment? Does anyone here know what Vanguard is? Vanguard, as in the Vanguard Family of Funds. All he has is a mutual fund with Vanguard and his fund owns a very very very small share of a company that runs prisons. I own multiple mutual funds in my Fidelity retirement account and one of the funds, Fidelity Contra Fund has holdings in 361 companies. Another fund in my retirement account, Fidelity Magellan Fund has holdings in 251 companies. So by your logic I and Vice President Cheney should know every company held by our specific funds? That is one of the most asinine bordering on insane statements I have heard.Someone please make a cogent argument as to why he should be indicted and subsequently found guilty of the above-referenced "crimes". Please help me out by making a legitimate not a harebrained argument.

- The facts are VP Cheney holds a retirement account with the Vanguard Family of Funds and one of the funds he holds has a very very very small share of ownership (so small it's insignificant) in a company that runs prisons. So now tell me how VP Cheney is culpable, thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 11/20/2008
- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 148 fans permalink

This "peculiar Texan" nonetheless seems to be doing what the Congress would never do: actually pursue criminal activity instead of aiding-and-abetting it. And for that he should be applauded.

In one sense, the sort of criminal activity that these politicians have engaged in is something that every politician does. But when the chief executive officers AND the entire Board of Directors of one of the largest nations on this planet do it ... we have massive damage. We have 320 million plaintiffs. We have a million people dead or, worse yet, maimed. We have a swindle big enough to victimize Iceland. And yet, we STILL HAVE a Speaker of the House who is calmly accumulating power for herself while firmly blocking any attempt to engage in Constitutionally-demanded law enforcement.

You might giggle at the hundred-page Constitution of the European Union, and the strangeness of their currency, but you won't be laughing when you realize that the racers that you think you're running with, or even leading as you always used to do, have completed two or three complete laps ahead of you.

There are billions of human beings in this planet, and "they 'get it' now." If having the United States of America in the powerful position it once held with honor, is now a dangerous threat to them, "well, we have short life-spans too and we want to live well too."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 11/20/2008

Nancy Pe-lousy....is just another political enabler for big business....it's time to throw the bch out !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 11/20/2008
- messy I'm a Fan of messy 41 fans permalink
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please explain HOW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 11/20/2008

We tried to do that this last election in San Francisco, but the voters who said they were against the war and wanted impeachment back on the table returned her to Congress.
Cindy Sheehan, who ran as an Independent against Pelosi received 17% of the vote beating the Republican and Libertarian, And the San Francisco Chronicle didn't even mention that Sheehan beat all the other parties in the race. Its hard to unseat the big money sell outs but her in San Francisco we will keep trying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 11/20/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 78 fans permalink

Well, we voted for the people in congress/senate. And we keep voting for them. The mistake lies with us people! Make sure you remember they enabled Bush/Cheney and that is why we are in the mess we are in. BushCo planned all of it, including the wiretaps and probably is blackmailing the politicians in order to get things his way and it worked. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 11/20/2008
- Jaxy I'm a Fan of Jaxy 42 fans permalink

Prosecutor Guerra camping outside of the Courthouse with a horse, three goats and a rooster ... is there some symbolism in all this? Sort of a 'forty acres and a mule' for intransigent Texans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 11/20/2008
- haval2 I'm a Fan of haval2 50 fans permalink

the stink on this man is supernatural...a higher power than bush will have to deal with this hideous person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 11/20/2008

Strawman distraction.

War crimes are another matter.

http://www2.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002441----000-.html

"(a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death."

"(A) Torture.— The act of a person who commits, or conspires or attempts to commit, an act specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control for the purpose of obtaining information or a confession, punishment, intimidation, coercion, or any reason based on discrimination of any kind."

"(B) Cruel or inhuman treatment.— The act of a person who commits, or conspires or attempts to commit, an act intended to inflict severe or serious physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions), including serious physical abuse, upon another within his custody or control."

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/confess/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 11/20/2008
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Where's the Straw Man?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 11/20/2008
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These people do not respect the law. They do not answer to subpoenas... They don't even show up to take the 5th... We have suspended the constitution in this country! And they are aware of it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 11/20/2008

They are the ones who suspended it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 11/20/2008
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Bush cannot pardon anyone who has not yet been convicted and I doubt that there will be a speedy trial that would see them both convicted by 20 January.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 11/20/2008
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Wanna make a bet?

Ford pardoned Nixon before any charges were brought. let alone a conviction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 11/20/2008
- messy I'm a Fan of messy 41 fans permalink
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Andrew Johnson pardoned all confederates except Jeff Davis, and Jimmy Carter pardoned all draft dodgers. two very important precidents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 11/20/2008
- nick1936 I'm a Fan of nick1936 17 fans permalink

Faxus

Wrong his dad pardoned Casper Wineberg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 11/20/2008
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Bush can only pardon federal convictions. this is a state matter, so he has no authority to pardon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 11/20/2008
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A false platform upon which to build an all encompassing pardon for Cheney and "anyone associated with Cheney's misdeeds."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 11/20/2008
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I agree. This case will be positioned as frivolous and pardons will be issued to the entire Bush gang on this premise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 11/20/2008
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The case against Cheney IS frivolous.However, unless it thrown out on friday, it has major ramifications. What happens if the President is disabled and the Vice President's in the slammer? No one knows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 11/20/2008
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Cheney and Gonzales have as much chance of actually serving jail time as I do of winning the gold medal in female gymnastics in the Olympics. None. Bush will be handing out alot of Presidential pardons on 1/19 or right before Barack Obama takes the oath of office the next day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 11/20/2008
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I bet you are a tiger on the parallel bars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 11/20/2008
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