How Joe Lieberman Kept His Post

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First Posted: 11-19-08 11:46 AM   |   Updated: 12-20-08 05:12 AM

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On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote, the outcome was for all intents and purposes a fait accompli.

Sources on Capitol Hill say there was little to no opportunity for Senators angry at their recalcitrant colleague to fully register their disagreements. Only one resolution -- one that kept Lieberman in his post but took away his position on an environmental and public works committee -- came to the floor, and it clearly had the support to pass. Senators could voice their displeasure or vote nay. But in the end, as one aide says, "the meeting was theater."

"The result was preordained going in," said the source. "Leadership worked out a resolution and presented it to the caucus, and it was clear there wasn't going to be any vote on stripping Joe of his gavel. At that point, the caucus wasn't going to stiff [leadership] so obviously."

And yet, in practical political terms, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid also has his hands tied. President-elect Barack Obama had let it be known that he wanted Lieberman to remain in the caucus, while a variety of other factors undercut the cut-Lieberman-lose-movement.

"They had more than two and a half weeks to organize around this," said one high-ranking aide who favored Lieberman being stripped of his post. "And the fact of the matter is, Reid basically met with Lieberman 48 hours after the election was over. During that time it seemed like he was leaning towards stripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship. But once that word came out, the only folks who were organized were the pro-Lieberman supporters."

The problem, the aide reluctantly ceded, was an absence of coordinated progressive leadership. While the pro-Lieberman allies were out in force -- led by Sens. Chris Dodd, Ken Salazar, Tom Carper, and Bill Nelson -- the Senators who wanted a harsher punishment held their cards tightly. Sens. Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders ultimately let it be known that they wanted Lieberman punished, but they did so on a dead-news Friday. Meanwhile, no alternate resolution was bandied about, according to the aide, nor were there serious public objections to the resolution ultimately passed.

The lack of movement left many in the netroots community -- which had long soured on Lieberman and predicted the divisive role he would play in the general election -- fuming. What offense is more punishable, after all, than actively campaigning against one's own political party?

But the exasperation may have had hurt their cause. As one member of this community lamented: "Instead of being just critical of Lieberman, we should have made the case that another Senator could do the job at Homeland Security better."

The truth is that the progressive movement had been making just such a case for several years, starting with complaints that Lieberman had done a poor job investigating allegations of corruption and waste in the Bush administration. During the presidential campaign, moreover, the movement to remove Lieberman from the Homeland Security post was cast as much as a step toward Obama's "change" agenda as political payback.

But when the rubber hit the road and Obama effectively said that retribution was not an option, there was little to work with.

"When it came down to it, however, the people with the big megaphones -- the president elect of the United States and a handful of sitting US Senators -- were able to cast the dispute in the light of Obama's campaign messaging, and reduce the vote to an act of kumbayah," said Jane Hamsher, of Firedoglake. "There were no Senate leaders trying to oust Lieberman -- nobody is going to go against the most exclusive club in the world. We could've picked an unwilling hero I suppose ("ooh, wouldn't Frank Lautenberg make the awesomest Homeland Security Chair"), but unless you can make the argument that Lieberman is not doing his job, why would anyone care?"

In the end, it seems, there was more willingness to punish Lieberman than the final vote (42-13) suggests. But a bevy of factors got in the way, from Obama's intercession to the quick movement of the forgive-Lieberman forces. Finally, there was the realization that, perhaps, other fights were more important.

"There are so many gigantic problems to confront, dealing with Unctuous Joe is the least of our worries," said one aide. "It's annoying, but with the auto industry teetering, our economy rapidly slowing, an Administration that's the lamest duck I've ever seen, while I wish we could've just dealt with this more firmly, it's inside baseball that doesn't make a difference in people's lives."

On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
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- Shozen I'm a Fan of Shozen 9 fans permalink

Senate Democratic Caucus or do you mean Senate Democratic Circus? It seams to me a bunch of clowns run the show in Washington.

Always have, Always will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 11/19/2008

Why do you still vote for these scum-bags? the Democrats sold out in 2000 when they wouldn't count the votes in Florida, then blamed the Bush win on Nader. Scum-bags, all of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 11/19/2008
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 9 fans permalink
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That would be "cut Lieberman 'loose'," and yes, they should have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 11/19/2008
- thromulese I'm a Fan of thromulese 21 fans permalink
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“an absence of coordinated progressive leadership”

Amen. That is the void that is represented by Reid, Feinstein, Hoyer, and of course-that snake- Lie berman.

Not only is their leadership absent, so is their spine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 11/19/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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On the contrary, they're not spineless. They show plenty of spine when it comes to standing up to the netroots and the left.

We're just electing the wrong people to represent our interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 11/19/2008
- mamak I'm a Fan of mamak 4 fans permalink

I agree. Good luck in 2010 and 2012...DEM­S wimps!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

I e-mailed Feinstein asking her to not support Joe's continued Home Security Senate Committee Chairmanship. This was her response. I have capped the sentence that I found to be the most incredible. And I didn't make a statement re/ Joe's election behavior only his PP performance on his job as Committe chair.

Sent: 11/17/2008 11:48:54 AM
Subject: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message

Dear

Thank you for contacting me about Senator Joseph Lieberman's (I-CT) recent appearance at the Republican National Convention. I appreciate hearing from you and welcome the opportunity to respond.

Like you, I was very disappointed by Senator Lieberman's speech at the Republican Convention and his criticism of Senator Barack Obama. HOWEVER, WITH ONLY A FEW MONTHS LEFT IN THE 110TH CONGRESS, I BELIEVE IT IS BETTER TO WAIT UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW CONGRESS WO REEVALUATE SENATOR LIEBERMAN’S COMMITTEE CHAIRMANSHIP.

Once again, thank you for expressing your concerns. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C office at (202) 224-3841 or visit my website at www.feinstein.senate.gov. Best regards.

Sincerely yours,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 11/19/2008
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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Evidently, it's characteristic of a 'republic' that the legislators are more
responsive to one another than they are to the people they represent.
Not exactly a new phenomenon. Go look up 'New Democrat Coalition'
and get a list of Lieberman's closest Senate friends. (He was a founder
back in the day.) They're looking out for one another. One more reminder
for me of why I am a democrat, but not a Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Does anyone know who the 13 Senators were who did not support Joe? Frank, Leahy, Harken and who else?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/19/2008
- Fremon I'm a Fan of Fremon 35 fans permalink

The meeting with the Senate was just theatre? Hmmmmmmmmmmm. If Lieberman becomes a problem I will applaud as again the Senate Leader doesn't know what he was doing. Contrite for the actions he took against Obama? HARDLEY. I hope Lieberman proves to be an embarrasment and thereby embarrarses the Senate. What a bunch!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

"I hope Lieberman proves to be an embarrasment and thereby embarrarses the Senate. What a bunch." That thought may mean that they will actually try to control Joe; but I wouldn't count on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 11/19/2008
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At this point, I actually HOPE Lieberman becomes the biggest pain in the butt for Obama and the rest of the Democrats. Let the gloating corporatist elitists - who, I'm sorry folks, are no more on your side than the Republicans - that call themselves Democratic "leadership" reap what they sow.

Obama should have kept his mouth shut and not meddled in Senate affairs. That betrays a disturbing continuation of Executive "overlordship" that we've had far too much of already. His intervention was completely out of bounds. But then nothing Obama has done or said gives me any hope for real change. He'd better realize pretty quickly that if your actions do not inspire to the level of your rhetoric, you will ultimately be seen not as a great leader, but merely a great BS'er (see: Clinton, William J.). Be prepared to see Obama actually govern to the RIGHT of Clinton, who was for all intents a moderate Republican.

It's long past time to stop supporting these losers just because they have a (D) by their names. Right now Lieberman & the Republicans are laughing at them, and they are laughing at US. The Democrats won't change until their behavior starts costing them dearly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 11/19/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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Lieberman is not a problem for them. We are the problem for them, in their eyes.

Did Leahy or Sanders or Schumer or any of the other 13 senators who voted against Lieberman go into that meeting with a plan? Did they work out a replacement for Lieberman as chairman in the days leading up to that meeting? No.

There is no liberal caucus to move an agenda or a plan through. Obama's not going to do it. Obama's not a liberal, his agenda as President isn't to satisfy the leftwing of the Democratic Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 11/19/2008

I believe Obama represents his constituency, as it was intended by the framers of the Constitution. During his tenure as a U.S. Senator, he had a very liberal record that pleased many of his constituents. It was more liberal than any other Senator during that period, according to conservatives that opposed him during his campaign for the presidency, so his history of very liberal voting does not really support the argument that he is not liberal.

As POTUS, his constituency will be larger and more ideologically varied, but he still has the obligation to represent them and provide leadership that is in the best interest of all, not just a particular group. As a scholar on the Constitution, I think P-E OTUS Obama understands and takes very seriously the role he must fill.

I don't believe his ideas about hope and change are meant to be construed as him changing everything about the way our government is run, but rather what "We, the people" are going to do to change the way government is run. For him to come in and participate in backroom deals about the status of publicly elected officials would be business as usual. He has started to create an environment of openness and transparency in governance that will depend more heavily on our participation and input.

Hopefully, one day, we will grow tall enough to wear the crown that has been left for us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

You are absolutely correct. How do you think that we can move the formation of a liberal caucus along?

I do think that Obama must do something to satisfy the leftwing of the Democratic party. He could not have won the primary or general elections without that group which worked very hard for him. If progressive support diminishes, he will have a difficult time maintaining a base. But that may be Rahm's plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 11/19/2008
- skyeapril I'm a Fan of skyeapril 32 fans permalink

Progressives are ignored except when the Dems want money, then we are quite popular. Otherwise the exclusive club, aka the Senate, ignores us. Just as I predicted yesterday, this morning I received an email from Barbara Boxer asking for contributions for her 2010 run.

If the Dems had seriously considered taking the Homeland Security chair from Lieberman, and the vote gone his way in the end that would have been bad enough but to discover that the only vote proposed was rigged in advance is beyond infuriating. Why is it that Harry Reid is so incompetent to get real Senate work done, but can manage to maneuver this vote to the result "the Club" wanted? Apparently Reid and Pelosi are only competent to manipulate Dems, they lose their touch once Republicans (or Blue Dogs) are involved. The Dem leadership had better start accomplishing legislation in 2009 or their excuses will fall on deaf ears.

I am disgusted, but worse is that none of them really care. Big mistake. What voters giveth today can be withheld tomorrow. Term limits legislation anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 11/19/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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The only people who get screwed with term limits legislation are those jurisdictions that put term limits in place.

You want savvy, experienced people in place. Just not THESE savvy, experienced people.

The left has to find better people to put up as candidates. People who really ARE leftists, not lobbyists in representatives' clothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Hear, hear. Unfortunately, if the candidates are too far left, they will lose in the general election unless their platform is particularly appealing. One of the favorable outcomes of the current economic crisis is that regulation is starting to look comforting and necessary so progressives may not be so easily labeld as "dirty Commies" anymore. I would be happy with some responsive moderate candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

It is obvious that we need to support a group of Senators similar to the Blue Dogs. That is where our money, time and effort should go. They can tell us how and when to support the DNC but the party needs to know that we will act as a group and expect our interests to be considered. There should not be any reason why there was not a serious, substantial argument presented as to why Joe should not be Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee. I hope that someone steps up to lead this group. Maybe Frank. In the meantime, send all contributions to Kucinich. Give him a war chest that allows him to have some influence among his peers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 11/19/2008

Joe is laughing at the Dems......­..I am from Ct., and sorry to say we know Joe.
He is a loser and the Dems under Reid have no spine.
Too bad for us......Jo­e is a traitor, and will always be a traitor.
Chris Dodd lost my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 11/19/2008
- Gusto2 I'm a Fan of Gusto2 3 fans permalink

Clancy11, Joe is a traitor indeed, but you guys in Connecticut voted him in office over Ned lamont. Next election I hope and pray you guys do the right thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Joe is laughing at Obama too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 11/19/2008
- fkk501 I'm a Fan of fkk501 3 fans permalink

I am from CT too and Chris Dodd also lost my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 11/20/2008
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Just so you know, they handed his butt to him behind closed doors. They probably told him if he ever had an inkling to behave this way again...it would be the end of his political career. They can make him go away forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 11/19/2008
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Dream on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 11/19/2008
- mamak I'm a Fan of mamak 4 fans permalink

Wow ....what a fantasy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

I think that is what Joe told the Senators..­...and they believe it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 11/19/2008
- Artos I'm a Fan of Artos 86 fans permalink

I will repeat something that I wrote in another post. The Godfather said," Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer." . I will leave it at that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 11/19/2008
- live I'm a Fan of live 24 fans permalink
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you and five thousand others have overused a stupid movie line. but go ahead and brag about it...

those of us who dont look to the movies to think know keeping joe stunk of old boy politics

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 11/19/2008
- anachoret I'm a Fan of anachoret 34 fans permalink

I'm sure Obama loves to have his politics defended by quoting the wisdom of a politically hooked up Chicago mobster.
Running the country like the Godfather.­.. Real encouraging.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 11/19/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Maybe we should take Joe for an Italian dinner, just to celebrate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 11/19/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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What a secret!!!

We've only seen that posted here, what? 5000 times in this one thread?

Do you know what happens when Democrats keep their friends close, but their enemies closer?

When the enemy does what the enemy naturally does, the Democrats say, "I can't believe you did that!! To us??? You did that to us?!?!?!?!?!?"

And the enemy says, "Yeah. What are you going to do about it? Take my chairmanship away, kick me out of the caucus, to go vote with the Republicans?"

The end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Lie down with dogs; get up with fleas. I will leave it at that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 11/19/2008
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Please Huffpo, at least for a while, I beg you to spare me the photos of Joe the Judas and John McCain.
In particular any photos showing their teeth, in smile, or otherwise. I ask you this for the sake of my health, for I seriously get ill at their sight.
I would much appreciate your cooperation, thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 11/19/2008
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Traitor Joe owes Barack Obama big. And it is Traitor Joe who looks small.

Now, can we dump Harry (I have no backbone) Reid? I'm also in for losing Pelosi. thanks to her, Bush and his partner and their minions get blanket get-out-of-jail free cards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Good idea re/ Reid. He could be the bone thrown to all of the voters who are upset about the Lieberman decision. If the issue re/ Lieberman is that there was no coherent Plan B presented to the caucus, let's get one going on Reid ASAP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 11/19/2008
- YA I'm a Fan of YA 5 fans permalink

The Dem leaders are such wimps, or they have no respect for their base. I think both. And that's all I have to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 11/19/2008
- Fremon I'm a Fan of Fremon 35 fans permalink

Agree. I have quit supporting this bunch. Let me know when a new group arrives. I know my money isn't going to change anything they do but I hope I have disgusted fellow travelers. Sorry Democrats I have better things to do with my money. No more emails please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

They follow the money. And they have seen how that money can be used against them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 11/19/2008

AIPAC operative controlling Homeland Security committee. Whose security does he watch after?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

Follow the money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 11/19/2008

I think the Dem's feel that have a excellence shot at reaching the magic number of 60 in the next year or so. I believe this is the main reason they didn't want to to hard on him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 11/19/2008
- Fremon I'm a Fan of Fremon 35 fans permalink

There were two moderate Republicans from the North east who will go along with the Demos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 11/19/2008
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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There are 8 Blue Dog Democrats who vote with Republicans, and another 8 at any given time and mix who will go along with Republicans on the different issues which have kept us gridlocked for the last 30 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 67 fans permalink

I have this really cheap bridge that I would like to sell you....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 11/19/2008
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