How Joe Lieberman Kept His Post

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First Posted: 11-19-08 11:46 AM   |   Updated: 12-20-08 05:12 AM

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On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote, the outcome was for all intents and purposes a fait accompli.

Sources on Capitol Hill say there was little to no opportunity for Senators angry at their recalcitrant colleague to fully register their disagreements. Only one resolution -- one that kept Lieberman in his post but took away his position on an environmental and public works committee -- came to the floor, and it clearly had the support to pass. Senators could voice their displeasure or vote nay. But in the end, as one aide says, "the meeting was theater."

"The result was preordained going in," said the source. "Leadership worked out a resolution and presented it to the caucus, and it was clear there wasn't going to be any vote on stripping Joe of his gavel. At that point, the caucus wasn't going to stiff [leadership] so obviously."

And yet, in practical political terms, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid also has his hands tied. President-elect Barack Obama had let it be known that he wanted Lieberman to remain in the caucus, while a variety of other factors undercut the cut-Lieberman-lose-movement.

"They had more than two and a half weeks to organize around this," said one high-ranking aide who favored Lieberman being stripped of his post. "And the fact of the matter is, Reid basically met with Lieberman 48 hours after the election was over. During that time it seemed like he was leaning towards stripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship. But once that word came out, the only folks who were organized were the pro-Lieberman supporters."

The problem, the aide reluctantly ceded, was an absence of coordinated progressive leadership. While the pro-Lieberman allies were out in force -- led by Sens. Chris Dodd, Ken Salazar, Tom Carper, and Bill Nelson -- the Senators who wanted a harsher punishment held their cards tightly. Sens. Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders ultimately let it be known that they wanted Lieberman punished, but they did so on a dead-news Friday. Meanwhile, no alternate resolution was bandied about, according to the aide, nor were there serious public objections to the resolution ultimately passed.

The lack of movement left many in the netroots community -- which had long soured on Lieberman and predicted the divisive role he would play in the general election -- fuming. What offense is more punishable, after all, than actively campaigning against one's own political party?

But the exasperation may have had hurt their cause. As one member of this community lamented: "Instead of being just critical of Lieberman, we should have made the case that another Senator could do the job at Homeland Security better."

The truth is that the progressive movement had been making just such a case for several years, starting with complaints that Lieberman had done a poor job investigating allegations of corruption and waste in the Bush administration. During the presidential campaign, moreover, the movement to remove Lieberman from the Homeland Security post was cast as much as a step toward Obama's "change" agenda as political payback.

But when the rubber hit the road and Obama effectively said that retribution was not an option, there was little to work with.

"When it came down to it, however, the people with the big megaphones -- the president elect of the United States and a handful of sitting US Senators -- were able to cast the dispute in the light of Obama's campaign messaging, and reduce the vote to an act of kumbayah," said Jane Hamsher, of Firedoglake. "There were no Senate leaders trying to oust Lieberman -- nobody is going to go against the most exclusive club in the world. We could've picked an unwilling hero I suppose ("ooh, wouldn't Frank Lautenberg make the awesomest Homeland Security Chair"), but unless you can make the argument that Lieberman is not doing his job, why would anyone care?"

In the end, it seems, there was more willingness to punish Lieberman than the final vote (42-13) suggests. But a bevy of factors got in the way, from Obama's intercession to the quick movement of the forgive-Lieberman forces. Finally, there was the realization that, perhaps, other fights were more important.

"There are so many gigantic problems to confront, dealing with Unctuous Joe is the least of our worries," said one aide. "It's annoying, but with the auto industry teetering, our economy rapidly slowing, an Administration that's the lamest duck I've ever seen, while I wish we could've just dealt with this more firmly, it's inside baseball that doesn't make a difference in people's lives."

On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
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- LisaJeanM I'm a Fan of LisaJeanM 5 fans permalink

To me this is not a small matter at all in the scheme of things. Lieberman's actions during the campaign and his serious failures in the Homeland Security chairmanship more than warrented that he be stripped of his chairmanship. But he wasn't. Why not?

The answer to this question is the reason some people are so troubled.

These Senators get a great deal of money from the same special interest groups (AIPAC, to name just one) and so it's in their interest to protect each other. PAC money is in control of our government for the most part and there was never going to be any punishment for Joe -- this was why they sent Evan Bayh to go on TV to try to gloss this over the public. I knew a week ago that the fix was in on this.

This was an important issue, more so than most people realize. Keeping Joe Lieberman as Chairman of HS when he clearly should have had it stripped sent out a very bad message out to the world--especially to the Arab world. The message being that not much is going to change with this new administration.

Obama should have handled this better, people all over the world are paying extremely close attention, and this was important. A lot of Americans don't get that because they're so utterly oblivious to how poorly we're viewed in the world. Most American's just don't pay attention and don't connect the dots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 11/19/2008
- TotoToo I'm a Fan of TotoToo 3 fans permalink

What Lieberman said about Obama being "unAmerican" is unforgiveable; but since his votes are essential to the Democrats, then this may be a necessary move. So much for a "civil and constructive" campaign, Mr. Lieberman.

Lieberman wants Iran turned into a sheet of glass while more reasoned minds, like Obama, don't want to start or aggravate WWIII.

Joe Lieberman is a tool for Israel. He also knows that with the Dems needing his votes, he can pretty much do anything he wants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 11/19/2008
- Paul Peete - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Paul Peete 403 fans permalink

Joe is beginning to resemble Mason Verger from Hannibal, crippled by his prior allegiance to an older mentor. The Senate is like Cordell living for the moment he can be tossed to the pigs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 11/19/2008
- D2D2 I'm a Fan of D2D2 11 fans permalink
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Using a Star Wars reference, Senator Lieberman resembles Senator Palpatine, both in looks and in behavior. I understand why the Democratic Party chose to allow him to maintain his Chairmanship, but I would urge them to keep a close eye on him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 11/19/2008
- Paul Peete - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Paul Peete 403 fans permalink

Yeah! a perfect match.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 11/19/2008
- underdog I'm a Fan of underdog 12 fans permalink

That's funny, to me he looks like the same smirking jerk he's always been.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 11/19/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

I hope you folks are just being too pessimistic.

Obama must take the reigns of power before making big shifts.

we may need those 60 votes, since the GOP are not shy at all about filibustering.

Although I can't see why the dems don't use the "nuclear option" the GOP came up with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Exactly, this is all about having every option available to implement change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 11/19/2008
- live I'm a Fan of live 24 fans permalink
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we are NOT going to get to 60. can anyone say GA is a republican state?

think people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 11/19/2008
- Fremon I'm a Fan of Fremon 34 fans permalink

There are moderate New England Republican's in the mold of Lincoln Chafee as Olympia Snow. We will get the 60 without Liebermann. He may lose his Senate race in 6 years. What a length of time to wait for this a....h.... to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 68 fans permalink

We can get those votes from Republicans, probably more easily than we can from Joe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Oh no! Lieberman is a repub mole! He will s tab Obama in the back!

I love those comments coming from the SAME people who voted for the guy who ran the most effective Presidential campaign in US history.

If Obama was able to b eat both Hillary and McCain, then I believe we can trust Obama to keep Joe in line. You people making those comments make it seem like Obama is a pushover and will let Joe do whatever he wants... just remember this man had EVERYTHING going against him, and STILL won. Quit living inside the box and look at the BIG picture: President Obama doesn't hold any grudges and wanted Joe to stay, that alone means Joe owes President Obama BIG TIME.

With President Obama and the Dems being in the majority, Lieberman is a lame duck. All it takes is President Obama saying "Joe, I'm very dissapointed in how you voted..." POOF! Gone just like that. Remember that President Obama and the Dems have a full house, Lieberman has a bad hand, and is now one card away from having to fold, and that card is his chairmanship. He goes against the Dems, he folds and loses everything. Quit with the Joe conspiracy theories and wake up to the REAL world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 11/19/2008
- underdog I'm a Fan of underdog 12 fans permalink

The President is not a king. Senators have (or used to have, anyway) power. That is the way our government is supposed to work. Letting LIEbermann retain even more than that amount of power is a mistake, pure and simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Once again, you are living inside the box, letting Lieberman stay hurts him more than it helps him, it means he has to carry water for the Dems and President Obama the next four years.

Remember, you have to reach out more to your enemies than your friends, that's the only way things get done. Period. I don't like Lieberman either, but there are more important issues at hand than what he does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 68 fans permalink

Well, McCaskill was quote in today's LA Times as stating that "Obama set the tone." So guess if this blows up, it will be O's fault. I am sure that there is not a Senator alive, even McCain, who wants to be responsible for Joe's behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 11/19/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Without discipline, you have no effective organized party. One that will soon be scorned again as weak and ineffective.

Playing into the hands of the Republican party. In fact, we're only left to wonder had there been an effective opposition party, a loyal opposition party. Would the history of the United States now have on it's record, invasion of Iraq, torture, and wealth so concentrated that the country now faces the real possibility of economic depression?

It's been a failure in democracy, not some sudden act of nature like the weather.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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"Playing into the hands of the Republican party."

How is this playing into the hands of the Republican party? By reaching across the aisle to them as statesmen?

This is why the Democrats have failed to win the 2000 and 2004 election, they'd rather stick to party lines rather than reaching across the aisle to their opponents. Remember Obama agreed with the principles of what Hillary and McCain said in the debates. Centrists elected Obama and the new Dems, and they will govern as centrists, this is one of their first moves as centrists; keeping all thier assets close to them, which includes Lieberman.

I don't like Lieberman as much as the next guy, but let's get real here, there are more pressing problems than what he does. And why remove him from his chair when he has voted with the Dems most of the time? How fo olish is that? This is a CHESS game, and the Dems are laying out their moves. Look at the BIGGER picture and quit living inside the box. Reaching across to Lieberman and the sane Repubs is the only way to get things done, something that Obama and the Dems ran on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 11/19/2008
- ZeMongoose I'm a Fan of ZeMongoose 5 fans permalink

That's right, Obama had EVERYTHING going against him...a popular incumbent President of the opposite party loved and respected around the world, a roaring economy, stable gas prices, no money pouring in from a complacent Democratic party base.

All kidding aside, Obama and his team ran a brilliant campaign. However, if memory serves me well, neither FDR or Reagan told their base essentially to "F off untl we need more money from you" in the wake of their transformative victories.

If actual CHANGE is dependent on the Fredo Corleone of the Democratic Party being a good team player, I have news for you...it ain't happening

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 11/19/2008
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 68 fans permalink

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 11/19/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Not that this pertains to the Lieberman matter, but since it's being put forth as a battle of ideology . I will respond.

The centrists had the "new democrat' choice in the Hillary candidacy which was rejected. The moderate republicans crossed party lines and defected to Obama by definition. Obama ran on the slogan of "Change" "Change we can believe in" not a return to Clinton era.

People didn't flock to his campaign with the promise of democratic business as usual. They didn't dig into their own pockets, volunteer, and believe in the democratic party again, because they wanted to return to the Clinton era, they rejected that at the polls.

Reagan democrats didn't set Reagan's agenda, they were sold on it.

What is the centrist pitch to the public, and why didn't the "new democrats" succeed at the polls?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 11/19/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

This is not "centrist" policy, this is inclusion of all the major players.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 11/19/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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That was an earlier argument of a poster below.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 11/19/2008
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Sorry, now that he is a turncoat.. I can make fun of him... did he get hit by a truck on his lower jaw? Does he HAVE top teeth? That lead in photo to article is freakin scary!! Its like Ichabod Crane

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 11/19/2008

Well this is all the more reason from me to stay away from these lefty blogs. It was the Hillary bashing that really drove me away from them. And now a time when automakes could go bankrupt costing hundreds of thosands of jobs, among many other serious problems in this recession economy, they're having hissy fits over whether Lieberman should keep his chairmanships. Hey I don't care for the guy much, but there are too many bigger and more daunting challenges than to waste that much time on this. Lieberman will vote 80% or more with the Democrats. Move on.

Lefty blogs (and I do concider myself quite liberal on many issues) just react too emotionally to every little thing. They don't think enough about the big picture, like Obama is trying to do right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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I agree with your post, but don't use the word lefy or leftist that much.

And you are right, its all about the BIG picture aka the CHESS game. this is CHESS, and Obama and the Dems are playing it well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 11/19/2008
- ZeMongoose I'm a Fan of ZeMongoose 5 fans permalink

That's right, they're world class CHESS players. I mean without the superior gamesmanship of the Senate Democrats, they would have caved in on EVERYTHING the president ( the one your moniker so kneeslappingly refers to) wanted.

Thank God they're not snivelling cowards who spend half their time begging for money from working Americans and the other half $crewing over same said working Americans. Gee, if that were to happen we might end spending tens of billions of dollars on a war that destabilized the Middle East. Or worse, the economy might collapse. Yep, I can sleep well at night, knowing Harry Reid is fighting for us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 11/19/2008

There is one thing common between Mr. Gore and Mr. McCain's election defeat pictures, Sen. Leiberman fooloishly smiling over their left shouldres. I think Democrats figured it out early and sent Leiberman over as a bad luck charm to Mr. McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 11/19/2008
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ROFL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 11/19/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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Its easy to see why Stevens almost won again. People dont vote for anything but self interest. They dont care if the person running is a convict, child molester, or traitor to the party or country. If they think he or she will improve something for them personally , not for the country or the state, or even the people as a whole, but just them, they will vote for that person. This is why people like Droopy is not only re-elected, but continues to sit in a position of power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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lieberman got to stay for no other reason other than his vote.

This is a CHESS game, and you guys just aren't seeing the BIG picture. Take off the blinders and look at the ENDGAME.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 11/19/2008
- butonelife I'm a Fan of butonelife 2 fans permalink

Connecticut, do the right thing. Take this bozo out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 11/19/2008
- AgathaX I'm a Fan of AgathaX 14 fans permalink
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Why must there always be "theater"? When will the dems learn that tough guys don't do theater. They wear poker faces and they hold grudges, but they never let the grudges interfere with practicality. They stay cool. As a practical matter, Joe might be useful. Of course you can't trust him farther than you can throw him, but for now, he's more likely to give up that key vote if he's on the team than if he's off. So, take one day at a time, though think three steps ahead. And play the cards close the vest. Trite but true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 11/19/2008
- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 214 fans permalink
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It says something when Droopy Dog can out maneuver your own political party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Lieberman is an Independent, he out manuvered no one. Matter of fact, he put himself in a very deep hole and essentialy became a lame duck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 11/19/2008
- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 214 fans permalink
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He faced the Dems eyeball to eyeball and the Dems blinked like the gutless RFs they are. I call that being out maneuvered, his "independent" status notwithstanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/19/2008
- Mikeeee I'm a Fan of Mikeeee 75 fans permalink

bush term 3 underway. All else obama is doing is window dressing from this point onward. He should stop the charade, if he's going to keep one repub in a sensitive position why not go all the way and keep condi, gates et al in place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 11/19/2008
- wotcanisay I'm a Fan of wotcanisay 6 fans permalink

This is realpolitik.

In the current Senate, the votes are still deadlocked and Lieberman's vote is badly needed by the Democrats.

Let the next Senate be constituted, Lieberman will cast off like a used Condom!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 11/19/2008
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