How Joe Lieberman Kept His Post

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First Posted: 11-19-08 11:46 AM   |   Updated: 12-20-08 05:12 AM

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On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote, the outcome was for all intents and purposes a fait accompli.

Sources on Capitol Hill say there was little to no opportunity for Senators angry at their recalcitrant colleague to fully register their disagreements. Only one resolution -- one that kept Lieberman in his post but took away his position on an environmental and public works committee -- came to the floor, and it clearly had the support to pass. Senators could voice their displeasure or vote nay. But in the end, as one aide says, "the meeting was theater."

"The result was preordained going in," said the source. "Leadership worked out a resolution and presented it to the caucus, and it was clear there wasn't going to be any vote on stripping Joe of his gavel. At that point, the caucus wasn't going to stiff [leadership] so obviously."

And yet, in practical political terms, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid also has his hands tied. President-elect Barack Obama had let it be known that he wanted Lieberman to remain in the caucus, while a variety of other factors undercut the cut-Lieberman-lose-movement.

"They had more than two and a half weeks to organize around this," said one high-ranking aide who favored Lieberman being stripped of his post. "And the fact of the matter is, Reid basically met with Lieberman 48 hours after the election was over. During that time it seemed like he was leaning towards stripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship. But once that word came out, the only folks who were organized were the pro-Lieberman supporters."

The problem, the aide reluctantly ceded, was an absence of coordinated progressive leadership. While the pro-Lieberman allies were out in force -- led by Sens. Chris Dodd, Ken Salazar, Tom Carper, and Bill Nelson -- the Senators who wanted a harsher punishment held their cards tightly. Sens. Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders ultimately let it be known that they wanted Lieberman punished, but they did so on a dead-news Friday. Meanwhile, no alternate resolution was bandied about, according to the aide, nor were there serious public objections to the resolution ultimately passed.

The lack of movement left many in the netroots community -- which had long soured on Lieberman and predicted the divisive role he would play in the general election -- fuming. What offense is more punishable, after all, than actively campaigning against one's own political party?

But the exasperation may have had hurt their cause. As one member of this community lamented: "Instead of being just critical of Lieberman, we should have made the case that another Senator could do the job at Homeland Security better."

The truth is that the progressive movement had been making just such a case for several years, starting with complaints that Lieberman had done a poor job investigating allegations of corruption and waste in the Bush administration. During the presidential campaign, moreover, the movement to remove Lieberman from the Homeland Security post was cast as much as a step toward Obama's "change" agenda as political payback.

But when the rubber hit the road and Obama effectively said that retribution was not an option, there was little to work with.

"When it came down to it, however, the people with the big megaphones -- the president elect of the United States and a handful of sitting US Senators -- were able to cast the dispute in the light of Obama's campaign messaging, and reduce the vote to an act of kumbayah," said Jane Hamsher, of Firedoglake. "There were no Senate leaders trying to oust Lieberman -- nobody is going to go against the most exclusive club in the world. We could've picked an unwilling hero I suppose ("ooh, wouldn't Frank Lautenberg make the awesomest Homeland Security Chair"), but unless you can make the argument that Lieberman is not doing his job, why would anyone care?"

In the end, it seems, there was more willingness to punish Lieberman than the final vote (42-13) suggests. But a bevy of factors got in the way, from Obama's intercession to the quick movement of the forgive-Lieberman forces. Finally, there was the realization that, perhaps, other fights were more important.

"There are so many gigantic problems to confront, dealing with Unctuous Joe is the least of our worries," said one aide. "It's annoying, but with the auto industry teetering, our economy rapidly slowing, an Administration that's the lamest duck I've ever seen, while I wish we could've just dealt with this more firmly, it's inside baseball that doesn't make a difference in people's lives."

On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
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- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 217 fans permalink
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If ever you needed proof the Dems have no spine...this should be enough.

Obama won IN SPITE of these gutless wrecks. And thank goodness for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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The Dems do have spine, they just haven't shown it yet. Once President Obama takes the oath and the new Congress are sworn in, you'll see things getting done faster than the past eight years.

This is a CHESS game, look at the bigger picture and you'll see why they chose to keep Lieberman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 11/19/2008
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And yet, in practical political terms, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid also has his hands tied. President-elect Barack Obama had let it be known that he wanted Lieberman to remain in the caucus, while a variety of other factors undercut the cut-Lieberman-lose-movement.
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But, Obama didn't say he wanted Lieberman to keep the Chairmanship. I'm sure that's how the people in the Senate took it because they are a "good ole boys" club. I am so angry that they took the vote in private. I want to know who voted to let the creep keep his toys rather than holding him accountable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 11/19/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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Droopy would have gone over to the GOP if they hadn't

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 11/19/2008
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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He might still. What's to stop him now, by threatening in the back channels, that he'll jump ship and cost the Dems his vote if they don't get on board with him when there is something he wants that is against the best interests of the country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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There will be a time to hold him accountable: 2012, right now there are bigger fish to fry.

To get things done, you have to reach out to your enemies more than your friends, that unfortunately includes Lieberman. Trust me, I wish lieberman were gone too, but unfortunately we need him for his vote. And making him eat crow and carry water for President Obama and the Dems is effective enough punishment.

This is a chess game, remember that, look at the BIG picture. Lieberman is one card away from losing it all, all it takes is President Obama saying, "Joe, I'm very dissapointed in how you voted..." and POOF! Gone just like that. Lieberman is nothing more than a lame duck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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With this move, Lieberman has become Lame Duck Lieberman with no real power other than his chairmanship, and since the Dems hold resposibility over it, Lieberman had better do as the Dems do, otherwise risk losing everything.

Think of it like a poker game. The Dems hold all the cards, Lieberman has been dealt a bad hand. If he chooses to go against the Dems and do what HE wants, he then effectively chooses to fold and lose it all. Lieberman's only card now is his chairmanship; the Dems hold a full house.

Just like his mentor McCain, Lieberman is gambling everything away. If he doesn't wake up soon, Lieberman will end up like McCain and lose everything; McCain gambled everything on PA going red and keeping the swing states in the election and lost it all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 11/19/2008
- GwenElle I'm a Fan of GwenElle 33 fans permalink

The aide who said the decision about what to do about Lieberman is "inside baseball that doesn't make a difference in people's lives" is wrong. Clearly he/she believes that every sense of outrage felt towards Lieberman equates to a desire for revenge, punishment, retribution. I couldn't care less about those things.

What I care about are principles. To imply that principles don't make a difference and that matters of conscience should be subordinated to politics is deeply offensive. Truth. Truthfulness. Loyalty. Trustworthiness. They matter. They are measures of character, our sense of who we are; indicators of what we believe our responsibilities are to each other.

Lieberman demonstrated a traitorous nature. He betrayed every member of the Democratic Party. This is not the first time that he has done so. He is continually *forgiven*. To forgive is virtuous. To forget is unwise.

In the interest of bipartisanship, Barack advocates *forgiving* Lieberman. Fine. But bipartisanship is not a Principle. What I heard from Reid et al, did not address the underlying principles of Trust and Loyalty. What I heard sounded and felt political in the worse sense of the word.

For some of us, betrayal of trust is viscerally painful. Betrayal damages the inner place that protects the soul from harm. Loss of trust wounds the betrayer and the betrayed; the betrayer is never fully respected or trusted again. In what remains of Lieberman's conscience, perhaps in the end, the psychic pain of that will be accountability enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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And also Obama displayed reaching across the aisle, and to get things done you have to reach across the aisle. What good would have come out of brushing Lieberman away instead of reaching out to him? Proving that the Dems are my way or the highway? Haven't we had eight years of that with Bush: you're either with us or against us?

The Dems and Obama are already retooling the Washington game, by ending it, and actually making the moves necessary to get things accomplished. In order to do that, you have to reach out to your enemies more than your friends, that unfortunately includes Lieberman. Trust me, I wish lieberman were gone too, but there are bigger fish to f ry. Let's use him for his vote and nothing more, then kick him out in 2012. There will be a time where Lieberman will be held accountable, but it is not now. Making him eat crow for the next four years will be punishment enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 11/19/2008
- GwenElle I'm a Fan of GwenElle 33 fans permalink

You missed my point. Or likely I did a poor job of stating it. I don't care about crow-eating, any more than I do about these notions of punishment or retribution. Please get that!

What I am advocating is standing on principle by simply acknowledging and honorably speaking to the fact that principles matter. Lieberman could keep his post as chairman, but Reid as democratic leaer of the Senate should have spoken out strongly, without wavering, on how Lieberman's actions affected those of us out here in the hinterland, those of us outside of the hallowed walls of the Congress.

The two Senators from Vermont and the newly elected Senator from Oregon came closest to addressing us a citizens and democrats. They also spoke to the issue of accountability by seeking consequences for Lieberman's actions. I was not altogether opposed to consequences, but what mattered more to me is that Reid and the 40-something other Senators speak to us (We the People), not only to each other and the press. They should have addressed themselvs to us!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 11/19/2008

I've been trying to find out who voted to boot Lieberman, but apart from obviously Sanders and Leahy, I can't find anything... does anyone know who the other 11 were?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 11/19/2008
- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 217 fans permalink
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The vote was secret. We may never know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 11/19/2008

Dang!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 11/19/2008

There are two more Senate races left don't forget! The chances are good for the Dems.... Joes days are numbered, he is just there for the lame duck, after all he is a lame duck.

Pres. Elect Obama is very smart, The people he picks for his admin. will be first rate, of course some were from the Clinton era, where else would he look for them, the Bush admin? we've only had two Dem Presidents in the last 40 years be realistic..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Lame Duck Lieberman... I like it! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/19/2008

You've got to be sh***ing me?

I called Democrats cuss words I didn't even know I knew over this. I started at mad at Leiberman and ended up calling Harry Reid every word I could think of (or make up) than rhymed with "sniveling" or "weasel."

True, I wouldn't have been satisfied with anything short of political castration for that hound-faced traitor. But this? Who knew that Bernie Sanders, the pacifist Socialist, would turn out to be the one member of the Senate with any stones? (Go, Bernie!)

Anyway, suffice it to say that I was pissed over this yesterday. But today I hear the great folk wisdom of LBJ in my ear: "It's better to have your enemies inside the tent, pissin' out, than outside, pissin' in." It's just that simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 11/19/2008
- Grannysue I'm a Fan of Grannysue 133 fans permalink
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Maybe they "made him an offer he couldn't refuse". Remeber when the time comes Joe those paybacks are hell!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 11/19/2008
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Reasons to keep Lieberman

Senate Closure Votes on

Health Care

Auto Bailout

New Energy Plan

Economic plan

etc

I don't necessarily mean that he should vote for those things but those of you who are attacking him you don't seem to understand how the Senate works

you need 60 votes on to end debate on a issue and get a vote

so you need that vote even if he is against it just to end debate

whatever else that can pass which seems to me like a lot of legislation you need to remove any removable obstacles.

If you are post-partisan then this is a sign of that!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 11/19/2008
- underdog I'm a Fan of underdog 12 fans permalink

And the Ginger bread man said, "Thank you Mr. Fox for taking me across the river like this. I would never had made it without you."
To which the Fox said, "No problem little guy."
Munch, munch.
"OW!!! HEY!! WHAT ARE YOU DOOOOINNNGGG......AAAAAA"

And the moral of the thousand year old fable is: that's what foxes do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 11/19/2008

What a toadie Joe is!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 11/19/2008
- cactusgal I'm a Fan of cactusgal 123 fans permalink

If HuffPo's going to keep posting pictures like this, it's going to have to start using Mr. Yuk labels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 11/19/2008
- Joseph A. Palermo - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of Joseph A. Palermo 410 fans permalink

In the future when Obama really needs a vote in the Senate he'll pull Joe the Senator aside and say, okay, I saved your butt, now you're gonna vote yes on this . . . the voters in CT are going to throw Lieberman out in 2012 -- it's not too long to wait -- I wouldn't expect to see President Obama in CT campaigning for him -- and he might campaign for his opponent, Ned Lamont!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Exactly, it's glad to see a poster who is not a extreme leftist.

Leftists didn't elect Obama, moderates did. Obama's Washington will be reaching out across the aisle, and this move reflects it. The partisan Washington games are over.

I don't like Lieberman at all, but there are bigger fish to f ry. Let's deal with Lieberman when the time comes when his vote is needed. This is a chess game, and Obama is playing it well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 11/19/2008
- txgal44 I'm a Fan of txgal44 3 fans permalink

"there are bigger fish to fry". Thank you!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 11/19/2008
- BeefJerky I'm a Fan of BeefJerky 10 fans permalink
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Please. The Democrats have been giving the Bush regime everything it wanted since day one. Read Glenn Greewald's column on Salon.com about bipartisanship. We've had too much of it. It's time for these criminals to be held accountable. This country has a whole lotta left leaning to do before we reach a moderate middle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 11/19/2008
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Excuse me but you're sounding a lot like a Republican toadie.

I am a fairly moderate Democrat and I thought that LIEberman should have been held accountable for his actions. By not doing so, the Democrats just showed the world that they are no different than the Republicans when it comes to accountability.

Wanting to hold LIEberman accountable for his bad behavior IS NOT a "partisan game", it is strictly common sense. I want our government to be one where when you break the law, you are held accountable, or when you exhibit extremely bad behavior, you are held accountable. I will submit that the partisan game was played by the Senators who gave in to LIEberman's blackmail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/19/2008
- anachoret I'm a Fan of anachoret 33 fans permalink

You're one of my fav.s Mr. Palermo. I get the strategy, and it expands Obama's power to accomplish his agenda (when he's walking into the post after the Presidential Powers are at an apex, and oversight is as weak as ever). So I agree it expands his "mandate" and may even give him the magic 60. But...
That seems like you're saying he bought off Joe the Chairman for a position in an important oversight committee.

If Bush had done that, would you say it was smart or would you say it puts Homeland Security oversight in the hands of a stooge?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 11/19/2008
- BeefJerky I'm a Fan of BeefJerky 10 fans permalink
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You forget that Obama campaigned for Lieberman's re-election. We all saw how grateful Joe was. 2012 can't come fast enough. Maybe the Democrats will pick up a few more Senate seats in 2010 and then they kick this useless dirtbag to the curb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 11/19/2008
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Unfortunately while LIEberman is telling Obama he will vote with him, he could quite easily be giving the Democrats secrets to the Republicans. I don't trust LIEberman at all.

As far as Lamont is concerned, I'm hoping that he gets a recall going in CT. I will certainly donate to make that happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 11/19/2008
- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 217 fans permalink
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That isn't going to sway LIEberman and anyone who thinks so is living in La La Land.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 11/19/2008
- pacason I'm a Fan of pacason 2 fans permalink

I just heard on the news that the Iraqi agreement which we've agreed to calls for US troops to be out in 2012. The journalist indicated that this was what Obama had started to say towards the end of his campaign. I'm starting to get a really sick feeling. I understand how a candidate moves to the center and certainly can't keep all the promises he made in the run up, but it seems like the progressive arm of the party is being completely forgotten. We've gotten nothing but Clinton retreds, Joe LIEberman still hanging around our necks and now we will be in Iraq for 3 more years? Please somebody say something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 11/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 734 fans permalink
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i'm not to pleased at the start of this thing ,either. i'm seeing a lot of the same,so far. i'm real upset that some of barack's advisors said they will not seek charges against the bush administration. without justice things will stay the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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"So far?" How can you even detect change when Obama isn't even President yet?

Wait for the man to take office, THEN go ahead and vent. This is why Democrats don't win elections, the Democrats are more on a hunt for b lood rather than for reaching out to the other side, which is why Obama won. Leftists didn't elect him, moderates did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 11/19/2008
- Shashi0224 I'm a Fan of Shashi0224 95 fans permalink

I have learned, after watching President-Elect Obama throughout the campaign, that whenever I doubted what he was doing - he wound up being correct. It's great to know that our President-Elect is INTELLIGENT!! What a CHANGE!! I trust his judgment. He knows a lot better than I about the workings of the Congress and the problems facing our country. It's calming to know that he will be in charge and that I can depend on him. Now, of course, we need to keep an eye out, but especially for now....he's got my trust. His picks, his choice. I'm with him!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/19/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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You have to be careful showing displeasure with the way our candidate of Change, is showing more of the same. I found out a little earlier here when Obama was picking staff members right after the election, that stating my opinions on how it was more of the same, were met with republican like comments. But I agre with you, I do not see much change, just more of the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 11/19/2008
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Actually the agreement is for them to be out in 2011. And Obama did not change his mind on saying he wanted to get them out in 16 months. I have no doubt that is what he will do, if it can physically be accomplished. I don't see Obama moving to the center any more than he was already in the center. As a matter of fact, I think he's moving more left by advocating universal health care rather than his former incremental plan. As far as "Clinton retreads" are concerned, that is the only way that Obama can get experienced people and he badly needs the experience considering how many things need fixing.

So, how about you withhold your criticism until Obama is actually in office and does something that warrants criticism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/19/2008

I feel so sorry for most of you. Do you understand what the word "change" really means. Is there anyone perfect among us? No, not one. Go read your Bible folks, and learn from the greatest of all leaders and then you will understand the meaning of "change." President - Elect Barack Obama is a God -send for this world, for such a time as this. Let Mr. Lieberman be. He will learn his lesson real good in due course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 11/19/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 36 fans permalink
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That's pretty creepy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 11/19/2008
- hollybork I'm a Fan of hollybork 66 fans permalink

Well said. Several acts of liberality and grace since his election have strongly suggested Obama is great spirited, not vindictive, not quick to anger, and highly principled. He may not be perfect, but he is someone the likes of me has not seen in the Presidency in 60 years. I have great hopes for him, and the people who earned a leader of his moral character and intelligence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 11/19/2008
- PATina I'm a Fan of PATina 254 fans permalink
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Your name fits. Obama is not a God (and definitely not w/ a capital G). Maybe you should be the one to read her Bible and learn about having other gods and worshipping idols.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 11/19/2008
- Shashi0224 I'm a Fan of Shashi0224 95 fans permalink

Groupie-girl never called Obama a G-d-send, not a G-d.
You need to pay closer attention to what you read PATina!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 11/19/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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Patina, Ive always wondered about this, as many seem to worship jesus as a god. So does that go against the bible too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 11/19/2008
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