How Joe Lieberman Kept His Post

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First Posted: 11-19-08 11:46 AM   |   Updated: 12-20-08 05:12 AM

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On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote, the outcome was for all intents and purposes a fait accompli.

Sources on Capitol Hill say there was little to no opportunity for Senators angry at their recalcitrant colleague to fully register their disagreements. Only one resolution -- one that kept Lieberman in his post but took away his position on an environmental and public works committee -- came to the floor, and it clearly had the support to pass. Senators could voice their displeasure or vote nay. But in the end, as one aide says, "the meeting was theater."

"The result was preordained going in," said the source. "Leadership worked out a resolution and presented it to the caucus, and it was clear there wasn't going to be any vote on stripping Joe of his gavel. At that point, the caucus wasn't going to stiff [leadership] so obviously."

And yet, in practical political terms, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid also has his hands tied. President-elect Barack Obama had let it be known that he wanted Lieberman to remain in the caucus, while a variety of other factors undercut the cut-Lieberman-lose-movement.

"They had more than two and a half weeks to organize around this," said one high-ranking aide who favored Lieberman being stripped of his post. "And the fact of the matter is, Reid basically met with Lieberman 48 hours after the election was over. During that time it seemed like he was leaning towards stripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship. But once that word came out, the only folks who were organized were the pro-Lieberman supporters."

The problem, the aide reluctantly ceded, was an absence of coordinated progressive leadership. While the pro-Lieberman allies were out in force -- led by Sens. Chris Dodd, Ken Salazar, Tom Carper, and Bill Nelson -- the Senators who wanted a harsher punishment held their cards tightly. Sens. Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders ultimately let it be known that they wanted Lieberman punished, but they did so on a dead-news Friday. Meanwhile, no alternate resolution was bandied about, according to the aide, nor were there serious public objections to the resolution ultimately passed.

The lack of movement left many in the netroots community -- which had long soured on Lieberman and predicted the divisive role he would play in the general election -- fuming. What offense is more punishable, after all, than actively campaigning against one's own political party?

But the exasperation may have had hurt their cause. As one member of this community lamented: "Instead of being just critical of Lieberman, we should have made the case that another Senator could do the job at Homeland Security better."

The truth is that the progressive movement had been making just such a case for several years, starting with complaints that Lieberman had done a poor job investigating allegations of corruption and waste in the Bush administration. During the presidential campaign, moreover, the movement to remove Lieberman from the Homeland Security post was cast as much as a step toward Obama's "change" agenda as political payback.

But when the rubber hit the road and Obama effectively said that retribution was not an option, there was little to work with.

"When it came down to it, however, the people with the big megaphones -- the president elect of the United States and a handful of sitting US Senators -- were able to cast the dispute in the light of Obama's campaign messaging, and reduce the vote to an act of kumbayah," said Jane Hamsher, of Firedoglake. "There were no Senate leaders trying to oust Lieberman -- nobody is going to go against the most exclusive club in the world. We could've picked an unwilling hero I suppose ("ooh, wouldn't Frank Lautenberg make the awesomest Homeland Security Chair"), but unless you can make the argument that Lieberman is not doing his job, why would anyone care?"

In the end, it seems, there was more willingness to punish Lieberman than the final vote (42-13) suggests. But a bevy of factors got in the way, from Obama's intercession to the quick movement of the forgive-Lieberman forces. Finally, there was the realization that, perhaps, other fights were more important.

"There are so many gigantic problems to confront, dealing with Unctuous Joe is the least of our worries," said one aide. "It's annoying, but with the auto industry teetering, our economy rapidly slowing, an Administration that's the lamest duck I've ever seen, while I wish we could've just dealt with this more firmly, it's inside baseball that doesn't make a difference in people's lives."

On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
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Joseph Lieberman cannot be trusted. Out of everything that's happen, and how he relished in his speech at the GOP, it was pretty clear, he thought Mc cain would win and he would be the Secy. of State. He will no doubt be out advocating for Mc cain who is seeking re-election in 2010. He will once again be campaigning against Mc cains Democratic challenger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 11/19/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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The question isn't whether he can be trusted but whether or no he can be used.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 11/19/2008
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I think the question as to whether he can be trusted is very germane. What if LIEberman operates as a mole for the Republicans. What if he tells the Repubicans everything the Democrats are planning on doing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 11/19/2008

i would like to know more about the nature of the relationships he has with those who voted to keep him in-- like Barbara Boxer-- why does she care so much about it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 11/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 646 fans permalink
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the rump kissers all back to work as normal. will anything in DC ever change for real?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Change is already happened, you are just living too much inside the box to see it.

To make change happen you have to reach across the aisle with those who disagree with you, just like with those who disagree with you. Unfortunately, Lieberman is one of those people we need, but like I said, you need to reach across the aisle, as Obama has done that in the debates with Hillary Clinton and John McCain.

Look at the BIG picture; this is a CHESS game, and Obama and the Dems are carefully planning their moves. Look at the BIG picture and you'll see how this will end up costing Lieberman virtually everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 11/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 646 fans permalink
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we'll see,i guess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 11/19/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

The Democrats are depending on Joe for his vote, but what if he does not play ball? Are they sure they can count on Joe because he seems to listen to a different drummer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 11/19/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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Then they still have the option of stripping him of his commitee

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 11/19/2008
- PATina I'm a Fan of PATina 229 fans permalink
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Wow... you must have loved Cheney !!!!

Do as I say... or out you go !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 11/19/2008
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It's not that easy. If they want to strip him of the committee chairmanship they will have to take it to the Senate and the Republicans can and will block them from stripping him.

If it was easy to take it away from him, it wouldn't bother me as much as it does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 11/19/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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Isn't this about creating a filibuster proof majority in Congress?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 11/19/2008
- Chaucea I'm a Fan of Chaucea 8 fans permalink
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Yeah. He's their potential "60th Man".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 11/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 646 fans permalink
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with lieberman? who knows?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 11/19/2008
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I am a supporter of Obama's but I consider this his first mistake and it WILL come back to haunt him AND us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 11/19/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 646 fans permalink
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i agree. not thrilled with some of his cabinet picks,yet, either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 11/19/2008
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Judge not lest the be judged.

You folks are showing a remarkable lack of trust in Obama. How about you hold of criticizing him until he's actually President and he or his people do something you disagree with. He has the right to pick his own people and I, for one, am going to trust his judgment until he shows me that my trust isn't warranted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Look at the BIG picture, this is a chess game. If Obama screamed b loody revenge, you'd be on here saying nothing changed at all.

Once again, Obama makes a shrewd move that will end up costing Lieberman everything. Lieberman was probably hoping to be removed from his chairmanship, and for Obama to be mad... like I said, look at the BIG picture. Im no fan of Lieberman, but in order to get things done you have to reach out to those who disagree with you, just like Obama did in the debates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 11/19/2008
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IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REVENGE and everything to do with accountability. Why can't people like you get that through your thick heads?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 11/19/2008
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this is an outrage. to say that removing him would do more harm than good is crazy talk.

I suppose that the Dems are never going to grow a backbone & call a traitor a traitor. this is why they've struggled for so long. What do you think a Repub caucus would do in a situation like this? they would crucify him, and they'd be right.

Lieberman is in no way, shape or form a Dem. He left his own party in '06 because he couldn't win the Dem primary in CT & joined the "Connecticut for Lieberman" party. talk about win-at-all-costs! Lieberman shouldn't even be in the Senate right now. why would any Democrat care what happens to him?

it's one thing for Obama, who has far bigger fish to fry & has even reason to be gracious in victory, to look the other way. but the Senate Dems should have taken their cue & put that GOP lapdog in his place once & for all. what is he contributing?

this is why i will never, ever be a Democrat-- such spineless gladhanding. they should be ashamed of themselves. all backdoor shady dealings. makes me sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 11/19/2008

I am from Massachusetts, but spent the last days of the 2008 campaign in New Hampshire working for the election of Barak Obama and "Change We Can Believe In". I know that I speak for many of the grass roots volunteeras who were there,when I say that "I feel betrayed by the Senate Democrats who hid behind a secret ballot and kissed the ass of LIP LOCK JOE". We were used They are cowards, going along to get along. No Profiles in Courage from that bunch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 11/19/2008
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The Senate is a "good old boy's" club, which was proven by their vote on LIEberman.

I am really disappointed in Barbara Boxer for voting to allow LIEberman to keep his chairmanship. I thought she had more backbone than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 11/19/2008
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"the meeting was theater" and the acting was awful neverless the actors - no spine there also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 11/19/2008
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How is it the onus of the "netroots" to make the argument of the obvious, to the party leadership no less?

Soon the democrats will be in charge of a clear majority, with a democrat in the WH. What new excuses will democrats turn to, when they can't even enforce party discipline on a member who actively works to defeat the party? Will they wring their hands in woe, and declare they can't get all members on board? That "we" don't vote in unison, and respect a diversity of views?

An ineffective majority, is no better than a ineffective minority.

If any case has been poorly made, it's the one to keep his chairmanship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 11/19/2008
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Liberals didn't elect these new Democrats and the new President, it was centrists and moderate Republicans that did. If you wanted an extreme leftwing candidate, then you should have worked harder for John Kerry in 2004, or nominated Dennis Kuchinich this year.

The Dems out in the Senate get it, unlike the far left here, the time for partisan politics is over, it's time to reach across the aisle with those who disagree with you as much as those who do agree with you. Obama has done that in the debates with Hillary and John McCain, that is how HIS Washington is going to be run, that includes keeping Lieberman, which is why Obama said he wanted Lieberman to caucus with the Dems. I don't like Lieberman either, but removing him from his chair would have been a purely partisan move and wouldn't help Obama achieve his goal of making a bi partisan Washington where things get done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 11/19/2008
- go I'm a Fan of go 2 fans permalink

There is a time for all things. Either Lieberman with fall in step or he will walk a little further toward the end of the plank he is tottering on. He has very little hand and being power hungry and powerless his only reasonable play is to play along. If not he better learn to swim toot sweet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 11/19/2008
- reliant1 I'm a Fan of reliant1 24 fans permalink
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He hasn't yet been sworn in - quick you all have time to race out and plan his impeachment.

Jan 30 sounds about right.

Get rid of him before he has a chance to do more harm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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He'll do more harm caucusing with Repubs than he would keeping his chair and caucusing with Dems.

At least on the Dem side, President Obama and Maj Leader Reid can keep a close watch on him. And being a water carrier for President Obama is much more effective punishment for Lieberman. Make the man feel miserable by eating crow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 11/19/2008

Let's leave him in --- and get a REAL Democrat to replace him via the next election for his seat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 11/19/2008

"other fights are more important"? We have yet to see the Democrats fight for anything.

If this situation had been reversed, the Republicans would never have allowed a traitor in their midst to retain a committee chair.

The question remains, "Will the Democrats ever take a stand?" I fear they have become so accustomed to capitulation, reconciliation and "bipartisanship" that they will continue to yield to the Republicans, even when they have a decisive majority.

The so-called "leaders", Reid and Pelosi, need to be replaced by someone who will fight for progressive, Democratic principles.

The Republicans know how to fight for their principles, even if their principles are immoral and corrupt. They never quit. They never give an inch. They never give in. Will the Democrats change, or will they follow their pantywaist leaders Reid and Pelosi and continue to to cave in to the the Republicans?

I am sick to death of Reid being such a wimp. It sounds like Patrick Leahy would be a much better Majority Leader. At least he spoke up for this issue. Reid, as usual, caved in to the old bromide of "playing along to get along".

Pelosi may even be worse than Reid, by failing to impeach. Well, there are still 2 months for her to open up impeachment. If there is no impeachment, then Bush will simply issue a blanket pardon for everyone. Impeach now so he won't be able to pardon anyone. It's time for some justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 11/19/2008
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Dems not fight for anything? Did the dems not fight to get Obama elected?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 11/19/2008
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I'm reserving judgment and taking the wait and see approach.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 11/19/2008
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Lieberman retained his post as the result of our new president not being a petty, peevish man. He would be grass if Obama had said the "no" word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Once again, President Obama defeats his opponent with class... he is going to be a very strong and effective President, eight years of bowing down to the nice guy, nothing gets under HIS skin, he just brushes the dirt off his shoulders! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 11/19/2008

Um, you have a funny definition of "defeat" if it means giving your opponent the very thing he wants. Lucky for us he didn't "defeat" McCain in the general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 11/19/2008
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