How Joe Lieberman Kept His Post

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First Posted: 11-19-08 11:46 AM   |   Updated: 12-20-08 05:12 AM

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On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote, the outcome was for all intents and purposes a fait accompli.

Sources on Capitol Hill say there was little to no opportunity for Senators angry at their recalcitrant colleague to fully register their disagreements. Only one resolution -- one that kept Lieberman in his post but took away his position on an environmental and public works committee -- came to the floor, and it clearly had the support to pass. Senators could voice their displeasure or vote nay. But in the end, as one aide says, "the meeting was theater."

"The result was preordained going in," said the source. "Leadership worked out a resolution and presented it to the caucus, and it was clear there wasn't going to be any vote on stripping Joe of his gavel. At that point, the caucus wasn't going to stiff [leadership] so obviously."

And yet, in practical political terms, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid also has his hands tied. President-elect Barack Obama had let it be known that he wanted Lieberman to remain in the caucus, while a variety of other factors undercut the cut-Lieberman-lose-movement.

"They had more than two and a half weeks to organize around this," said one high-ranking aide who favored Lieberman being stripped of his post. "And the fact of the matter is, Reid basically met with Lieberman 48 hours after the election was over. During that time it seemed like he was leaning towards stripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship. But once that word came out, the only folks who were organized were the pro-Lieberman supporters."

The problem, the aide reluctantly ceded, was an absence of coordinated progressive leadership. While the pro-Lieberman allies were out in force -- led by Sens. Chris Dodd, Ken Salazar, Tom Carper, and Bill Nelson -- the Senators who wanted a harsher punishment held their cards tightly. Sens. Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders ultimately let it be known that they wanted Lieberman punished, but they did so on a dead-news Friday. Meanwhile, no alternate resolution was bandied about, according to the aide, nor were there serious public objections to the resolution ultimately passed.

The lack of movement left many in the netroots community -- which had long soured on Lieberman and predicted the divisive role he would play in the general election -- fuming. What offense is more punishable, after all, than actively campaigning against one's own political party?

But the exasperation may have had hurt their cause. As one member of this community lamented: "Instead of being just critical of Lieberman, we should have made the case that another Senator could do the job at Homeland Security better."

The truth is that the progressive movement had been making just such a case for several years, starting with complaints that Lieberman had done a poor job investigating allegations of corruption and waste in the Bush administration. During the presidential campaign, moreover, the movement to remove Lieberman from the Homeland Security post was cast as much as a step toward Obama's "change" agenda as political payback.

But when the rubber hit the road and Obama effectively said that retribution was not an option, there was little to work with.

"When it came down to it, however, the people with the big megaphones -- the president elect of the United States and a handful of sitting US Senators -- were able to cast the dispute in the light of Obama's campaign messaging, and reduce the vote to an act of kumbayah," said Jane Hamsher, of Firedoglake. "There were no Senate leaders trying to oust Lieberman -- nobody is going to go against the most exclusive club in the world. We could've picked an unwilling hero I suppose ("ooh, wouldn't Frank Lautenberg make the awesomest Homeland Security Chair"), but unless you can make the argument that Lieberman is not doing his job, why would anyone care?"

In the end, it seems, there was more willingness to punish Lieberman than the final vote (42-13) suggests. But a bevy of factors got in the way, from Obama's intercession to the quick movement of the forgive-Lieberman forces. Finally, there was the realization that, perhaps, other fights were more important.

"There are so many gigantic problems to confront, dealing with Unctuous Joe is the least of our worries," said one aide. "It's annoying, but with the auto industry teetering, our economy rapidly slowing, an Administration that's the lamest duck I've ever seen, while I wish we could've just dealt with this more firmly, it's inside baseball that doesn't make a difference in people's lives."

On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
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- CBS I'm a Fan of CBS 18 fans permalink
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He will love his new role as the Prodigal Son. It is so biblical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 11/19/2008
- bby328 I'm a Fan of bby328 17 fans permalink
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The son of Prodigal . . . Joe the winer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 11/19/2008

Some of us at the left understand that progress is not about revenge. LieBerman has just bin made to heel!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 11/19/2008
- JohnShank I'm a Fan of JohnShank 6 fans permalink

Really? Heel? Looks to me like he's been rewarded for actively working against the new President-Elect. Not to mention his unflinching support for this ridiculous war in Iraq and his complete abandonment of the Democratic party. For this he gets to keep his powerful position? Yeah, I'm sure he's learned his lesson. "If you mess with the Democratic leadership, they'll kiss you on the forehead, scold you ever-so-gently and tell their supporters it's for the good of the party.

He's a chicken-hawk, a turncoat and a political opportunist. Yeah, I'm sure he'll be "heeling" throughout Obama's term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Making Lieberman eat crow is no reward, it's a much more effective form of punishment.

Once again, President Obama was able to h ammer home reaching across the aisle, and that's EXACTLY what the Dems did. Lieberman can only keep his chair if he does as the Dems and President Obama tell him to do. Otherwise Lieberman can be easily removed and replaced.

Look at the BIG picture, and you'll see this h urts Lieberman more than it helps him. Remember, politics is merely a chess game, and the Dems are following President Obama by carefully planning their moves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 11/19/2008
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No he hasn't.

Tailgunner Joe can still allow a filibuster if the dems gain enough seats with Tailgunner Joe being the 60th vote if he gets peevish and refuses to go along with the dems. After around Feb 5 he no longer has to worry about being removed from the charimanship if he suddenly decides to start allowing filibusters because all it takes is one republican to table any move to remove him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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If he refuses to go along with Dems, then he can lose his chair just like that. All it takes is President Obama saying, "Joe, I'm very dissapointed in your behavior..­." and POOF! No more chairmanship.

Remember, President Obama will be running things, it's HIS agenda that the Dems will promote. This is a CHESS game, and this move will h urt Lieberman in the BIG picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 11/19/2008
- VetKor51 I'm a Fan of VetKor51 9 fans permalink

As much as I personally dislike Lieberman's actions during the campaign, I applaud Obama for keeping him at his post. I look at it this way: Lieberman has lots of pressure on him. The spotlight is on him BECAUSE he is still there. Should he misstep he will look rather foolish; Obama will look magnanimous (as he should). I think I am beginning to "get" Obama's style. His hand reaches out to bring people together, BUT...I wouldn't want to cross this man. He may speak softly, but he has an inner steel. Let's wait at least six months after Obama takes office before we begin to moan and groan. Come on, People! We DID win the election. (GRIN)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Exactly, the extreme left here fails to see the BIG picture.

I don't like Lieberman either, but what would removing him have accomplished really? That would only ensure another four years of voting strictly along party lines, and we've already suffered eight years of that with the Bush administration.

Reaching across the aisle with those who disagree with you as well as those who agree with you is the only way things will get done... it's called COMPROMISE. And the compromise here with Lieberman is he keeps his chair, as long as he helps promote the change policies the Dems and President Obama promote. One false move... he's gone, just like that.

And the Dems will be running things now, Lieberman has NO other choice then to vote with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 11/19/2008
- mom2sons I'm a Fan of mom2sons 5 fans permalink

If O had displayed pettiness or revenge, everyone would be crying about how nothing has changed. Instead, he sends the word out to leave him alone. He knows his butt belongs to the Dems now and they will let him go it alone come 2010 or whenever he has to run again. I don't think he will be able to raise a red cent and Mr. Lamont has big bucks. He's finished unless he steps up in a big way. He knows it and so does everyone else. I trust O to make the right calls and he did. We just have to be patient a little longer. Now send that Katrina money. LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 11/19/2008
- lioness39 I'm a Fan of lioness39 47 fans permalink
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"BUT...I wouldn't want to cross this man. He may speak softly, but he has an inner steel."

My feelings all along. A man of steel who has the strength and inner core to reach across the board. We have waited so long, but Obama has all the earmarks of being a very great president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 11/19/2008
- smar I'm a Fan of smar permalink

Obama ran his campaign like a well oil machine and I believe he will make the same judgements for America. This move is like a game of chess and LIberman will not have time to breath wrong. I love it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 11/19/2008
- rmreddicks I'm a Fan of rmreddicks 35 fans permalink
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Perhaps they can leave him to "hang slowly, slowly twisting in the wind". (I think that can be attributed to Patrick Gray.) And Liebermann better be on his most vigilant oversight of "Homeland Security" because with any terrorist attack against this country he'll be your "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." It would not bode well for the Obama administration. It would bode incredible evil for Lieberman's id. This is a DNC decision that may come back to haunt them. This is a matter of holding your known, open, and obvious enemies TOO close. Lieberman should have been ditched. In his next election he'll have no juice if the Obama admin should prove even reasonably competent. It would have been worth the wait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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I don't like Lieberman as much as the next guy, but to remove Lieberman from his chair would have done more damage than good.

Face it, we're stuck with him for the next four years, Lieberman isn't going anywhere. So either we keep him on the Dem side where he can promote Obama's plans, or send him over to the other side and keep things from getting done.

This is a move that is meant to get the change ball rolling. The Dems are following the Obama method of being statesmen by keeping Lieberman, which is not biz as usual. It would have been buisness as usual to remove Lieberman from his chair, thus ensuring Lieberman would caucus with Republicans and keep things from being accomplished.

It's the BIG picture folks, chess, not checkers. Looking at the BIG picture, why remove a guy like Lieberman when making him carry water for the new President is much more effective? Make Lieberman e at crow for the next four years, and the voters will hold him accountable. The Dems in the Senate were simply doing as the President elect wished to keep him in the caucus; Obama is already redesigning the way politics is done.

Once again, this is CHESS, look at the BIG picture, and you'll see why the Dems kept Lieberman. It's going to h urt him more in the long scheme of things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 11/19/2008
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I tend to agree with this perspective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 11/19/2008
- JohnShank I'm a Fan of JohnShank 6 fans permalink

Biz as usual, biz as usual...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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How is it business as usual by reaching across the aisle? Has Bush reached across the aisle with Democrats the last eight years?

Imagine a Washington where BOTH sides reach across the aisle and form compromises, and things get DONE! Business as usual? I think NOT!

CHESS, not checkers. Look at the BIG picture, quit living inside the box.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 11/19/2008
- liz I'm a Fan of liz 3 fans permalink

Actually, the Congress will reorganize in two years, and I think Joe can be replaced then. I'm sure Dems will have more than 60 seats after the 2010 elections, and we can get rid of him as chair then if he doesn't get it before that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 11/19/2008

Why was he not ousted for complete incompetency? Katrina? KBR? Oversight?

Shame on the Dems and the secret ballot. Change my Chitown butt. Hoodwinked again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 11/19/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
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Change in the way politics is done... in order to bring change you have to reach with those who disagree with you as well as those who do agree with you... don't you remember Obama saying he agreed with the principles of what McCain said in the debates?

Reaching across the aisle is the ONLY way things get done, we've seen how eight years of partisan Washington politics has worked, a complete FAILURE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 11/19/2008
- anachoret I'm a Fan of anachoret 32 fans permalink

I agree.
The guy was a stooge for the Bush administration, and now people seem to be happy to have a stooge in Obama's.

No one seems to care that we appointed a sham for the position of Homeland Security.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 11/19/2008
- anachoret I'm a Fan of anachoret 32 fans permalink

It's like being happy that you bought a broken fire alarm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 11/19/2008

There had to be some kind of deal struck to the effect that Lieberman vowed to vote with the caucus 100% of the time on all major issues. Otherwise, I look forward to 2012 when the good citizens of Ct. will see fit to vote the slimy, smarmy bastard out of office.

I frankly can't recall a more despicable politician from the nutmeg state in a long time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 11/19/2008
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Joe has lasted so long because he's a lap-dog...­and he whines soooo well. But we aren't fooled. He's still LIE berman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 11/19/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

Joe has lasted so long because he is a Yalie....a­nd he has always kept Fairfield County WASP's and "members of the tribe" in his back pocket. We had a US senator from Darien....­a WASP Episcopalian named Lowell Weicker. He was a moderate Republican and Lieberman has that seat. It is also the seat that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of his kissface friend, W. Weicker then was governor of CT after his Senate career. He served as an independent, using the same tack" Connecticut for Weicker" .....sound familiar..­...this was the late 80's and early 90's.

Joe was a New Englander whose allegiances were with the southern DLC. It reminds me historically of Franklin Pierce, Dem.,14th POTUS (1853-57) who sympathized with the South. He was from NH. Lieberman had been part of the DLC with Clinton since the beginning.

JOE KNOWS WHERE THE BODIES ARE BURIED....­HE "AIN'T" GOIN' NOWHERE...­.AND NOBODY EITHER SCARES HIM OR NOBODY WILL MAKE HIM TOW THE LINE......­..OH....EX­CEPT FOR THAT BIG MEAN OLE MOTHERF...­.... REID THE BULLDOG FROM NEVADA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 11/19/2008
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Capitol Hill Democrats demonstrated again that they

think they are weak despite monster gains in Senate and House seats in the past two years

and that they are not ashamed of being perceived (correctly) as weak by America

and therefore they

are weak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 11/19/2008

And they said Reagan was teflon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 11/19/2008
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 59 fans permalink

Just another sign that us progressives have massive amounts of work to do. Obama was only a first step to put a stop to the right-wing chaos that was destroying this country. But we have a long, long way to go. We have to remember that many Dems are obstacles to getting our agenda moved forward. Keep up the fight, stay organized and keep pounding away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 11/19/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

Many "Democrats of the DLC or DINO" variety have utter disgust for liberals and progressives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 11/19/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

NW Brunette - you are so absolutely right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 11/19/2008
- 395spoons I'm a Fan of 395spoons 3 fans permalink

Lieberman is expected to be at beck and call of the Democrats. That should be enough punishment for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 11/19/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

I AM A NEW ENGLANDER.­....AND I KNOW JOE LIEBERMAN.­....HE IS AT NO ONE'S BECK AND CALL UNLESS YOU ARE THE GOP IN CT AND AIPAC...TH­AT IS WHERE HIS ALLEGIANCES ARE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 11/19/2008
- CBS I'm a Fan of CBS 18 fans permalink
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psst...no need to shout...tu­rn off the caps lock. thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 11/19/2008
- 395spoons I'm a Fan of 395spoons 3 fans permalink

He has no allegiances!

Lieberman is in a box and has nowhere to go. He will be siding with the Dems on many important issues. Just watch!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 11/19/2008
- lioness39 I'm a Fan of lioness39 47 fans permalink
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Lieb has just met a Democratic nominee who is going to change all that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 11/19/2008
- whoknew--- I'm a Fan of whoknew--- 15 fans permalink

"Theater" you say...hmmm­....like that's never happened before...

Well I hope that it was all worth it...

Because of the creds that were lost with the disenfranchised left regarding this decision..­.

& the perceptions of a viable threat are more important than just a history of loyalty in the Senate....

At least the Senate is aware of the position some of us take regarding this whole matter....

Even though we really don't have much influence the little bit we have can make a huge difference­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 11/19/2008

When the Democrats buy their suits. They should have a yellow stripe sewed down the back, so, we can distinguish them from the Repubs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 11/19/2008
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as opposed to the repub suits that come with complementary bombs, bibles and warpaint?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 11/19/2008
- sixx I'm a Fan of sixx 11 fans permalink
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A black day for our Nation and Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 11/19/2008

True.

But in perspective, every day the House sat in session since the 2006 election without IMPEACHING Bush and Cheney was an even more black day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 11/19/2008

It is a black day right now, but I'll bet he'll be out in 2010. Connecticut voters are 67% against him now, so it doesn't look good for him, and he'll need every Democrat, and some Republicans in the Senate to help him if he wants to hold on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 11/19/2008
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