How Joe Lieberman Kept His Post

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First Posted: 11-19-08 11:46 AM   |   Updated: 12-20-08 05:12 AM

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On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote, the outcome was for all intents and purposes a fait accompli.

Sources on Capitol Hill say there was little to no opportunity for Senators angry at their recalcitrant colleague to fully register their disagreements. Only one resolution -- one that kept Lieberman in his post but took away his position on an environmental and public works committee -- came to the floor, and it clearly had the support to pass. Senators could voice their displeasure or vote nay. But in the end, as one aide says, "the meeting was theater."

"The result was preordained going in," said the source. "Leadership worked out a resolution and presented it to the caucus, and it was clear there wasn't going to be any vote on stripping Joe of his gavel. At that point, the caucus wasn't going to stiff [leadership] so obviously."

And yet, in practical political terms, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid also has his hands tied. President-elect Barack Obama had let it be known that he wanted Lieberman to remain in the caucus, while a variety of other factors undercut the cut-Lieberman-lose-movement.

"They had more than two and a half weeks to organize around this," said one high-ranking aide who favored Lieberman being stripped of his post. "And the fact of the matter is, Reid basically met with Lieberman 48 hours after the election was over. During that time it seemed like he was leaning towards stripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship. But once that word came out, the only folks who were organized were the pro-Lieberman supporters."

The problem, the aide reluctantly ceded, was an absence of coordinated progressive leadership. While the pro-Lieberman allies were out in force -- led by Sens. Chris Dodd, Ken Salazar, Tom Carper, and Bill Nelson -- the Senators who wanted a harsher punishment held their cards tightly. Sens. Patrick Leahy and Bernie Sanders ultimately let it be known that they wanted Lieberman punished, but they did so on a dead-news Friday. Meanwhile, no alternate resolution was bandied about, according to the aide, nor were there serious public objections to the resolution ultimately passed.

The lack of movement left many in the netroots community -- which had long soured on Lieberman and predicted the divisive role he would play in the general election -- fuming. What offense is more punishable, after all, than actively campaigning against one's own political party?

But the exasperation may have had hurt their cause. As one member of this community lamented: "Instead of being just critical of Lieberman, we should have made the case that another Senator could do the job at Homeland Security better."

The truth is that the progressive movement had been making just such a case for several years, starting with complaints that Lieberman had done a poor job investigating allegations of corruption and waste in the Bush administration. During the presidential campaign, moreover, the movement to remove Lieberman from the Homeland Security post was cast as much as a step toward Obama's "change" agenda as political payback.

But when the rubber hit the road and Obama effectively said that retribution was not an option, there was little to work with.

"When it came down to it, however, the people with the big megaphones -- the president elect of the United States and a handful of sitting US Senators -- were able to cast the dispute in the light of Obama's campaign messaging, and reduce the vote to an act of kumbayah," said Jane Hamsher, of Firedoglake. "There were no Senate leaders trying to oust Lieberman -- nobody is going to go against the most exclusive club in the world. We could've picked an unwilling hero I suppose ("ooh, wouldn't Frank Lautenberg make the awesomest Homeland Security Chair"), but unless you can make the argument that Lieberman is not doing his job, why would anyone care?"

In the end, it seems, there was more willingness to punish Lieberman than the final vote (42-13) suggests. But a bevy of factors got in the way, from Obama's intercession to the quick movement of the forgive-Lieberman forces. Finally, there was the realization that, perhaps, other fights were more important.

"There are so many gigantic problems to confront, dealing with Unctuous Joe is the least of our worries," said one aide. "It's annoying, but with the auto industry teetering, our economy rapidly slowing, an Administration that's the lamest duck I've ever seen, while I wish we could've just dealt with this more firmly, it's inside baseball that doesn't make a difference in people's lives."

On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
On Tuesday, the Democratic Senate caucus decided to let Joe Lieberman retain his chairmanship atop the Homeland Security committee. But by the time the Connecticut independent's future came to a vote,...
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Wow! With letting "Brutus Benedict Arnold" Lieberman keep his committee chair, Senate Dimnocrats have just about descended to the stupid, spineless nadir the House reached when Speaker Pelosi inflicted voluntary sterility on that chamber by declaring "impeachment is off the table." It appears there is no notion of standards, discipline, or morality among the Congressional Democratic leaders in either chamber. How about a class action lawsuit by DSCC contributors to get their money back?
And, in the wider arena it seems that the "no drama Obama" approach has quickly produced plenty of drama, sadly, and disgustingly, in the form of tragi-comedy. Forgiveness for Lieberman, welcoming to McCain, and no foreign policy experience Hillary Clinton to be nominated for Sec. State? Let's be clear, you can't successfully run as complicated an enterprise as the Federal executive branch like it was Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood.
Where is the "change we need?" How about a strong third party emphasizing environmental and public health, removing the legal status as "persons" from corporations, and establishing a truth and restitution commission to document and prosecute the dozens of Bush Administration nefarious malfeasant minions? Sam Nunn, Al Gore, Patrick Leahy, Bernie Sanders, Chuck Hagel, John Danforth, Paul Krugman, Kevin Phillips, John Dean, Cynthia Tucker, and E.J. Dionne come to mind as senior leaders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 11/19/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

The Democratic Party - under leadership of the liberals....gave you the New Deal, Fair Deal, New Frontier and Great Society - and under the Yellow Dog Presidents.....you had pragmatic, moderate centrists who caved when the neo-conservative media and pols complained. What we have to look forward to is pragmatic centrist government that will bend vol-au-vent when the GOP machine squawks.

The Republican Party - at one time - "feckless LOL" in the South with un-emancipated blacks, and Rockefeller liberals in the Northeast, and Midwest moderate conservatives a la Taft and Dirksen, and Goldwater conservatives in the West....until such time that the Southern Democrats became Republicans, the Rockefeller wing was practically wiped off the face of the political body, and the Goldwaterites were replaced by the neocon Reaganites united with the Dominionist Theocrats.

Oh God, how I pray for progressive liberal solutions. How I want that Time cover of FDR Obama to be true !!!!! How I worry that he will listen to the DLC and Yellow Dogs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 11/19/2008
- HC4BO I'm a Fan of HC4BO 42 fans permalink
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How about the Dem "leaders" having absolutely no bawls whatsoever ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 11/19/2008
- JohnShank I'm a Fan of JohnShank 6 fans permalink

The power elite in this country do whatever they want whenever they want. They are beholden to no one party or organization. And certainly don't care what those below their socio-economic status want. This is change? Feels like the old political-shim-sham to me. Biz as usual, biz as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 11/19/2008

"There are so many gigantic problems to confront, dealing with Unctuous Joe is the least of our worries," said one aide. "*It's annoying*, but ...while I wish we could've just dealt with this more firmly, it's inside baseball that *doesn't make a difference in people's lives*.""

The Homeland Security Committee's business is just "inside baseball that doesn't make a difference in people's lives?" Has this person reflected on how cynical that statement is? Check out what this committee is supposed to do: http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 11/19/2008
- sixx I'm a Fan of sixx 12 fans permalink
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Shall we turn the other cheek, and invite the inquisitor to turn the screw even further?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 11/19/2008

NeoCONs are still in charge of the Democratic Party. Until we remove Reid, Pelosi, Hoyer and Rockefeller from leadership positions, neoCON rule will continue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 11/19/2008
- legalclubs I'm a Fan of legalclubs 11 fans permalink

So now Reid and Pelosi are NeoCons? Wow. Are you a bit crazy? These are traditional liberal Democrats, not even moderates like Bill Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 11/19/2008

I, too,worked my head off for this campaign. After all, Sen. Obama kept saying we on the front lines of this campaign were there because it was our campaign. Right now, I feel Slapped in the face with all the same ole, same ole Clinton choices for his cabinet -- and Lieberman/HRC .

However, the author got it right. Dems dropped the ball. Leiberman should be removed from the chair of that committee because that job can be done better by another -- and it is too sensitive to our security to leave in the hands of someone who seems unwilling to confront Repubs when necessary,.

Instead, objections spoke of vengeance/punishment.

That put Obama in the position of having to say something compatible with his core message.

HRC is my bottom line. We need for Obama to have a second term to turn our nation around. To use HRC as SOS will energize the Reps more than words can say.

That threatens a 2012 Obama victory -- and mocks this "change we can believe in." By the way, was that changed near the campaign's end to "Change we Need?." Does anyone know?

But for today, I am still an Obama supporter. May He keep him safe and above all else, . . wise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 11/19/2008
- legalclubs I'm a Fan of legalclubs 11 fans permalink

Getting a bit ahead of yourself? How about you let Obama serve his first day in office of his first term before you start panicing over his second term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 11/19/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

Beltway Bette......I want to associate myself with your remarks. Yesterday, I vented my spleen. This morning, I vented my spleen. I still believe that Lieberman retaining his DHS chair was a mistake...but he played his best case of chutzpah and they all caved. HRC will energize the neocon base and could defeat him one of two ways......remove one or two houses of Congress from his control....leave him re-elected to a second term weakened by a minority vote win in the popular and slide by skin of teeth in the electoral.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 11/19/2008

If only the Senate Dems had brass ones to match your crystal ones. ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 11/19/2008

You'll never see any politician with brass ones, or any other ones, for that matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 11/19/2008

Barack Obama, I want my money back if this is the way you pay those of us who stuck with you when it was not even feasible electing you president. To reward this turn coat Joseph Lieberman is the greatest insult. Are you telling me that among the thousands who braved harsh weather, braved insolence from the likes of joe the Judas and contributed their scarce dollars to get you elected, there are no loyal senators other than Joseph Judas to chair that comt. I cry for the shame of it all

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 11/19/2008
- ajax2 I'm a Fan of ajax2 24 fans permalink
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The emphasis on the campaign and forgiveness, took the focus off Lieberman's direction and competence. Since Dodd and Durbin cowardly took cover under Obama, I see them much more vulnerable to any future Lieberman action that supports the opposition. Lieberman is their man, completely.

"Shall we only threaten and be angry for an hour?
When the storm is ended shall we find
How softly but how swiftly they have sidled back to power
By the favour and contrivance of their kind?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 11/19/2008

I don't understand why President elect Obama wants Lieberman left on this committee but I'm sure there are solid reasons to do so. I trust President elect Obama's judgement completely and will not second guess him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 11/19/2008
- Belisarius I'm a Fan of Belisarius 39 fans permalink
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I have great hopes in our new president, but if he starts telling people it's time to drink the kool-aide, I will take off running and I suggest you do the same.

It is never a good idea to let other people think for you, unless you have some kind of impairment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 11/19/2008
- JohnShank I'm a Fan of JohnShank 6 fans permalink

Blind allegiance is a seductive idea, but it does mean that you are either unable or unwilling to see what is going on. In a bid to keep drama to a minimum, President-Elect-Obama has opted to reward a man who has shown his contempt for Democrats, their party and any who have the gall to question this stupid war in Iraq. Rationalize it any way you like, that is all that happened. There is no super-secret reason that is beyond human comprehension. Obama may need Joe to caucus with Democrats so he overlooks Lieberman's MANY MANY failings and rolls over for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 11/19/2008
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 69 fans permalink

If that's how you think you might as well join the republican party. That's the main quality that made them so viciously incompetent - the blind unthinking allegiance of so many followers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 11/19/2008
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

Every human being is capable of making a mistake once or twice. O tried for too long to be loyal and forgiving of Rev. Wri ght, till he finally had to face the reality of the situation and act. Some people are deserving of magnanimity; some just keep on keepin' on and you're wasting your time. As Jes us said, "Go and sin no more." That's the key- you stop your sleazy behaviour. We'll see if J oe is able to. If he's deserving of these second [or whatever, I've lost count] chances he's been given. I kind of doubt it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 11/19/2008

Your trust is pre-mature and dangerous. I'm an Obama supporter too. But, after eight years of Bush, Cheney, Lieberman, Pelosi, and Reid, trust is a luxury that we as citizens can not afford. Do not put away your brain because your man won. We have just made Barack Obama the most powerful man in the world. As citizens and voters, we owe it to ourselves, our country and the world to keep a critical eye on our new president. Obama has made many promises. We have given him our hope and a great victory, more importantly, we have given him tremendous power to determine the next four years of human history.

Obama has done nothing to earn our trust. We must hold Obama to a higher standard than our faithful brothers on the right have used for Mr. Bush. We must not have faith in our leaders. We must hold them to a much higher standard than that.

And, at the end of four years, we can say he did or didn't earn our trust. And, hopefully, in four years time he will have earned our trust, and we will give him the gift of four more years, and he can start to earn our trust all over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 11/19/2008
- provgrays I'm a Fan of provgrays 33 fans permalink

A lack of leadrship in the U.S. Senate? Say it ain't so!

As Harry Reid could tell you, a fish rots from the head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 11/19/2008
- musselmanm I'm a Fan of musselmanm 21 fans permalink
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You can't very easily kick him in the privates and then feel free to ask for a vote from him.
Bygones are not bygones until he comes through in a pinch. He owes the caucus a favor, big time. Also he owes President Obama very big time.
These favors will be called in. If he comes through, he will be forgiven for his missteps.
Lets try to build a little bit of power as a way of getting even for the loan of Lieberman during the election season.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 11/19/2008
- PATina I'm a Fan of PATina 251 fans permalink
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Sounds like Bush all over again. Instead of sending Cheney or Rove to collect on his favors... Obama has the Rahmbo.... hahahahahahaha

Please say it isn't so... say it isn't soooooooooo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 11/19/2008
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 69 fans permalink

If that works out, great. And I'll call you a genius. But I suspect in 6 months you'll be all upset that Joe is obstacle number 1 to getting our agenda moving forward. "Past is prologue" as someone we like once said. And Joe's given us every reason to think it applies here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 11/19/2008
- lioness39 I'm a Fan of lioness39 49 fans permalink
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I have a notion that Obama has twisted Lieberman's cajones and Lieb will vote, in a high voice, whatever Obama dictates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 11/19/2008
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They needed him. He knew it. End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 11/19/2008
- JohnShank I'm a Fan of JohnShank 6 fans permalink

In other words business as usual folks...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 11/19/2008
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 69 fans permalink

We don't need him. He bluffed big time. And they fell for it. This will go down as one of the dumbest political moves by Democrats ever. And that's saying something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 11/19/2008
- geg6 I'm a Fan of geg6 3 fans permalink

What this means is we need not just more Democrats.

We need new and better Democrats. Which means, depending on when they have to run, I'll be donating to and working for whoever challenges Dodd, Salazar, Reid, Carper, Nelson, and anyone else who I can confirm backed up Lieberman in their next primaries.

Get rid of them and Lieberman. They all suck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 11/19/2008
- live I'm a Fan of live 25 fans permalink
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it matters.

the party has rewarded someone who is inept, worked and donated for the opposing party.

this is nothing but old boy politics.
it is also an insult for all of us who voted and worked for change.

lieberman has never proved trustworthY and anyone who thinks obama has joe in his pocket is mistaken.
the chair of homeland sec. is a powerful JOB. and the dems obviously have no control over worthless joe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 11/19/2008
- anndash I'm a Fan of anndash 2 fans permalink
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Only 12 Senators had the courage to vote against Lieberman. Liberals did not vote for Obama for "theater" - we wanted change. Lieberman being rewarded for his hard work campaigning for McSame is despicable. The hard work of volunteers like us were for nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 11/19/2008
- reliant1 I'm a Fan of reliant1 24 fans permalink
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Then the vote was about right - 12 Senators voted against and that just about represents the liberals in the caucus.

Liberals did not elect Obama. Centrists and Indies and moderate Repubs elected Obama.

No party can win with nothing but it's base. But make no mistake, Joe kept his job because Obama wanted him to. Period. If he had wanted him gone = he'd have been gone. Joe knows it too. He has no more power. He owes everything to Obama and he knows it and will be reminded of it regularly. I'm hoping Obama uses Joe to dismantle Homeland Security - no one could do it better and since Joe knows he'll never be re-elected then he'll be pretty passionate about tearing it down so no one else has a chance at it.

There were thousand of volunteers whose work was not for nothing as we worked and donated every penney to him - to be our president and to work for us and our needs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 11/19/2008
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