Minnesota Recount Begins, Both Coleman And Franken Have Lost Votes

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PATRICK CONDON and MARTIGA LOHN | November 19, 2008 09:30 PM EST | AP

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David Lillehaug, attorney for Senate candidate Democrat Al Franken, addresses the Canvassing Board Tuesday, Nov. 18, 2008 in St. Paul, Minn., where they signed off on a manual recount while holding off on a decisioin about rejected absentee ballots pertaining to the tight U.S. Senate race between Republican Sen. Norm Coleman and Democrat Al Franken. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)

ST. PAUL, Minn. — City and county workers across Minnesota began a laborious recount Wednesday of more than 2.9 million ballots in the tight U.S. Senate contest between incumbent Republican Norm Coleman and Democrat Al Franken.

The state's first look at recount figures showed that nearly 16 percent of ballots were recounted by the end of the day, with 221 challenges statewide. Coleman helpers challenged nine more votes than Franken's.

Election workers have until Dec. 5 to complete the recount.

The recount is required under state law because the votes cast for Coleman and Franken differed by less than one-half of 1 percent. Coleman's 215-vote lead heading into the recount translated to 0.008 percent.

The count of nearly 300,000 ballots in Ramsey County _ home to the state capital _ is likely to take several days.

Before the sorting began, county elections manager Joe Mansky laid out the task and the ground rules: 30,000 ballots to count each day, or one every five seconds for each counter. No one but county election employees or election judges may touch the ballots. No food or drink, no talking.

"What we're going to be looking for today is any ballots where the voter intent is not absolutely clear," Mansky said. "There are very, very few ballots on which we are not absolutely clear."

He also said counting would take place six hours a day. "There is a limited amount of time that you can count or pile ballots without getting a little crazy," Mansky said.

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In adjacent Hennepin County, the city of Minneapolis, a Democratic stronghold, was conducting its own recount of all 131 of its precincts.

Minnesota's race looms large in the Washington power struggle. Depending on another undecided contest in Georgia, the Minnesota outcome could determine whether Democrats attain a 60-seat majority that would enable them to overcome Republican filibusters.

On Tuesday, Sen. Ted Stevens, the longest-serving Republican in Senate history, narrowly lost his re-election bid in Alaska. His defeat by Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich gives Democrats 58 seats, when two independents who align with Democrats are included.

In all, 49 of 107 recount sites _ some county, and some city _ began their work on Wednesday. A state canvassing board will take up their results and make rulings on disputed ballots beginning Dec. 16. Any litigation could drag a final resolution well into 2009.

Both campaigns were warning their supporters not to read too much into updated recount numbers released at the end of each day.

"It's sort of like watching the stock market these days," said Fritz Knaak, a lawyer representing Coleman in the recount. "It's going to go up, it's going to go down."

Separately Wednesday, Ramsey County Judge Dale Lindman granted Franken's request for the release of information on voters whose absentee ballots were rejected. Franken wants the rosters of disqualified absentee voters in all 87 counties to determine if they were properly rejected.

Lindman's ruling applies only to Ramsey County, the state's second-largest county, but it represents a partial victory for Franken. The state canvassing board hasn't decided whether to allow wrongly rejected absentee ballots into the statewide recount.

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ST. PAUL, Minn. — City and county workers across Minnesota began a laborious recount Wednesday of more than 2.9 million ballots in the tight U.S. Senate contest between incumbent Republican Norm...
ST. PAUL, Minn. — City and county workers across Minnesota began a laborious recount Wednesday of more than 2.9 million ballots in the tight U.S. Senate contest between incumbent Republican Norm...
 
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WHERE IS THE LATEST????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 11/21/2008
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Go, Al, Go! Leave, Coleman, leave!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 11/20/2008
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Now Al does not want every vote counted? Just another case of rules not applying to the left...

http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/whistleblower/2008/11/19/one-challenge-headed-to-the-state-so-far-in-plymouth/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 11/20/2008

Tell that to Norm Coleman's suits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 11/20/2008
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Defend Al in this case. Go ahead, all you "Count Every Vote" people....defend him... tell me this vote should be challenged....tell me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 11/20/2008
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Coleman and Franken both have challenged votes. So far, Coleman has challenged more than Franken has. So if you have a problem with vote challenging, you have a bigger problem with the republican.

http://ww2.startribune.com/news/metro/elections/returns/2008/recount/msenco.html

In any case, a challenged vote will still be counted if the officials determine that the voter's intent is sufficiently clear.

It appears that the system is working fine. So relax, people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 11/20/2008

Why do you give States complete authority over FEDERAL elections?
And why the machines? And why do you let biased committees jerrymander electoral boundaries?
And why let a private for profit corporation, with all kinds of interest conflicts, supply these vote machines?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 11/20/2008

Minnesota uses paper, 2000 is calling you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 11/20/2008

Folks its time to Pony up and ride to victory.
One hitch in the giddy up.. costs money to challenge Norm Coleman..

Looks like the RNC has drawn a line in the sand ..

I know Al Franken is a clown and this is his first rodeo, he's never run for county dog catcher of Hennepin county or been a school board member or even sent his kid to public schools but...

He is our clown, he will do the right thing and move left. So be a pal and send Al some folding money consider it your Starbucks contribution..

http://www.alfranken.com/

Cause we can no longer stand to drink from the Norm Coleman's cup of despair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 11/20/2008

I'm a republican but I kind of hope Franken wins...I haven't been able to laugh at anything he's said in years...The change will be good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 11/20/2008
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Why machines are needed is beyond me.

Surely a manual paper ballot (simplified) would be easier.

I saw some states had like 4 page ballots and some even had city officials posts. Can these lesser ones not all be handled by a postal vote?

If one can do https banking why can this not be used in voting?

Postal with return and built in tracking like barcodes so that you can track it back to the polling stations? The technology is there, why not use it or a simple X in a box

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 11/20/2008

"Why machines are needed is beyond me.

Surely a manual paper ballot (simplified) would be easier."

We use both :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 11/20/2008
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Come on Franken!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 11/20/2008

Wow Coleman has challenged 23 more votes than Franken and still has lost 41 more votes so far. It is running to close though. Right now if the rates continued Fraken would end up with about an 11 vote advantage before they started reviewing challenged ballots. Now he would also have about 100 more votes that would have been challenged (along with the potential mistakenly discarded absentee ballots), but still talk about skin of your teeth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 11/20/2008
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I just saw Al Franken in the movie "Trading Places" this weekend -very funny.
I am rooting for Al. Go Al Go !!
Washington needs wit and humor with what we are facing.
Al will deliver!
Mark and Al and Jim (farmer and the dell)
Mark and Al and Jim
Give up republicans and let them in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 11/20/2008

After what Coleman and the Repubs did to the memory of Paul Wellstone I'M PULLING FOR AL FRANKEN!! GO AL GO! Time to represent the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party! (That's a Wellstone line that Howard Dean borrowed, with all due respect!)
And I loved your book, Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 11/20/2008

the secretary of state is probably the best for this info. i heard them say on public radio that they will be updating the information as the recount goes along:

http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 11/19/2008

Franken AND Coleman Lose Votes As They Recount?

Simple solution: Al, you STOP Counting: let Coleman KEEP counting.

-from the Sarah Palin Playbook

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 11/19/2008
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funny....the Star Tribune's headline is coldman loses 20% of his vote

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 11/19/2008
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So it's SUBJECTIVE. I am volunteering for the recount this weekend. I'll see what's what then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 11/19/2008
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Good luck, Carolab..and, kudos to you for taking on such a task, regardless of who/ what side of the "subject"ive you come down on...;}

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 11/20/2008
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Updated, Franken gained forty something today, is now down 173 votes. Fifteen pct recounted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 11/19/2008
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The totals listed on the Star Tribune's website do not yet reflect a net gain of 28 votes for Franken in portions of St. Louis County (Duluth), a Democratic stronghold that uses older, more error-prone scanning machines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 11/19/2008
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