Secret Guantanamo Camp Opened To Defense Lawyers

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BEN FOX | November 19, 2008 05:24 PM EST | AP

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SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — For the first time, defense lawyers have been allowed to see a section of the Guantanamo prison that is so restricted, even its location on the U.S. base is secret.

Two military lawyers for Ramzi Binalshibh, an alleged plotter of the Sept. 11 attacks, were granted 90 minutes on Tuesday evening to view Camp 7, a section for "high value" detainees that has been shrouded in mystery since it opened two years ago.

The attorneys are trying to determine if their client is mentally competent to stand trial and to gauge the effects of the prison-within-a-prison on a man who, according to court documents, is so unstable that he believes his bed shakes and noxious odors are pumped into his cell.

Both lawyers, Navy Cmdr. Suzanne Lachelier and Lt. Richard Federico, said they were barred revealing what they saw on the tour.

"It was helpful. It was worthwhile," Lachelier told The Associated Press in one of the few comments she could make about the visit.

In a phone interview Wednesday from Guantanamo, Lachelier said she and co-counsel Lt. Richard Federico viewed the cell of Binalshibh, the adjacent cells, medical facilities and a room where detainees can watch movies.

They were taken to the camp in the same type of closed van used for prisoners, to conceal their route.

Binalshibh, who is from Yemen, was captured in September 2002 after a shootout in Pakistan, has been in Camp 7 since September 2006 when the U.S. transferred a group of alleged terrorists to Guantanamo from secret locations overseas.

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They have been held separately from other prisoners to prevent disclosure of national security information, and have received visitors from the International Committee of the Red Cross, said Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman.

In recently filed court papers, military prosecutors say Binalshibh has complained of the bed shaking and strange smells. They also say he claims guards manipulate the cell temperature to make him uncomfortable and make noises to keep him awake.

The prosecutors, without providing details about the camp, deny Binalshibh's allegations and say he is not subjected to "prolonged" isolation.

"He has available to him outdoor recreation, socialization with a recreation partner, the ability to exercise, access to library books twice a week, the privilege of watching movies and may meet with his attorneys upon request should he so choose," prosecutors wrote in a motion opposing the defense request to see his conditions.

Binalshibh and four other Guantanamo detainees have been charged in the attacks that killed 2,973 people, the bloodiest terrorist strikes ever on U.S. soil. The charges carry a possible death sentence.

A judge has ruled there are enough questions about Binalshibh's mental health to require a competency hearing to determine if he can stand trial. Military doctors have evaluated him but their findings are secret.

His lawyers have previously said he has been given medicine used to treat schizophrenia but have not disclosed his exact mental condition. A hearing on his competency has not yet been scheduled.

The U.S. holds about 250 men at Guantanamo, including 16 men in Camp 7. The military has said it intends to prosecute about 70 prisoners in war crimes trials.

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — For the first time, defense lawyers have been allowed to see a section of the Guantanamo prison that is so restricted, even its location on the U.S. base is secret. Two ...
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — For the first time, defense lawyers have been allowed to see a section of the Guantanamo prison that is so restricted, even its location on the U.S. base is secret. Two ...
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- Eres I'm a Fan of Eres 41 fans permalink
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All those innocent prisoners tortured for Bush's false flag....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 11/20/2008
- realwoman I'm a Fan of realwoman 4 fans permalink

Please tell me that is a sarcastic comment. Not the Bush part, but the "innocent prisoners tortured" part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 AM on 11/20/2008
- Seldon I'm a Fan of Seldon 11 fans permalink

Are you not familiar with the expression "innocent until proven guilty"? The whole point of Gitmo is that none of these people have had a trial. Those that have been released to other countries such as in Britain, had a brief investigation which found that they had done NOTHING ILLEGAL. They are now gratefully reunited with their families and children which they have not seen in years.

This is not a prisoner camp, this is kidnapping

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 11/20/2008

You are not a real woman - or a real human being. It's too late for you to develop any values, moral compass, or integrity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 11/20/2008
- Roy49 I'm a Fan of Roy49 4 fans permalink
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George Bush is a pure devil and I hope he burns in hell along with Cheney for the atrocites they committed. His administration effectively betrayed the trust of the American People in evey way with no remorse!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 11/20/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

Name one atrocity that GWB or Cheney has commited...come one, let's hear it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 11/20/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

Binalshibh probably believes his bed shakes and noxious odors are pumped into his cell because they shake his bed and pump noxious odors into his cell. The creative Bush lawyers checked, and there's no specific prohibition against "bed-shaking" or "pumping noxious odors"... couldn't find those specific words anywhere in the law or regulations.

The "prosecutors" claim to have him, cold, for transferring money to the 9/11 hijackers from outside the U.S. Why no trial, six years after his detention? Or does the sentence come first?

S-l-o-w-l-y, the door to the dank, putrid Bush/Cheney crypt creaks open...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 11/20/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

Oh well, I guess he doesn't have a case of t o r t u r e, then does he? hahahaha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 11/20/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

As long as you're entertaining yourself, you can stay... but try to control the drooling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 11/20/2008
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Dick Cheney - the vice president of torture.

Gitmo represents one of the most shameful chapters in our history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 11/20/2008

Gitmo represents one of the most shameful chapters in the history of all mankind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 AM on 11/20/2008
- realwoman I'm a Fan of realwoman 4 fans permalink

You don't read much do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

America once again has shamed itself in the world's eyes...when we primp and preen about our superior system of justice, Gitmo flies in the face of all of what America has represented to the world that once looked to us to lead the way. Obama has a unique and special opportunity to revive world opinion about how we treat POWs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 11/20/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

Who is ashamed? I'm not...these guys have been treated better at Gitmo than they would have been in their own country...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 11/20/2008
- wordvarc I'm a Fan of wordvarc 32 fans permalink

America's shame.

w's Guantanamo, rendition, warentless spying on US citizens, and 5 years and counting of waterboarding & other tortures, Kangaroo court 'tribunals,' detainees, and the suspension of habeas corpus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

Obama has much to amend in his ascension to President among the laws and regulations which Bush used to destroy our reputation and limit one's freedoms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 11/20/2008
- skeeto I'm a Fan of skeeto 2 fans permalink

If Obama does nothing but recind Bush's every move he will be a hero. I can't think of any time since WW11 when the whole world was happy at the same time as when Obama was elected. When WW11 ended my sister, Mother, and I got on a bus and went downtown in Aurora. The busses were free. Everyone was laughing and kissing total strangers. I imagine that was pretty much world wide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 11/20/2008
- pjburns11 I'm a Fan of pjburns11 10 fans permalink
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We need to open this up to prosecutors - probe, investigate.

We investigated Clinton for a little late-night intern tickle.
We nearly indicted Nixon for a bungled burglary.

We are not going to do ANYTHING about the Bush/Cheney systematic rogering of the constitution.

Here's 35 good reasons why we should be doing something. ANYTHING.

http://thetruthburns.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/forget-impeachment-its-time-to-probe-investigate-indict-bush/

If anyone even cares.....

Hello?

ECHO Echo echo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

We nearly indicted Nixon for a bungled burglary.

What Nixon did was a prelude to Bush, from his famous, "if the President does it, it is legal" comment to David Frost.

Many of the same nefarious characters who stalked the halls of the White House from 1968-1974 are the same cast of shameful characters we grew to loathe even more over these last eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 11/20/2008
- ohyes I'm a Fan of ohyes 7 fans permalink

We need an Independent Prosecutor with full powers to look into the Bush administration and all the laws they have broken for the last 8 years.
Starting with 9-11 to today and just how much money they have Stolen from the American Tax Payers.
This Country will never heal or regain its soul until we open our eyes to the nightmare that is the Bush administration.
Without the Rule of Law we are Lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 11/20/2008
- Donns I'm a Fan of Donns 9 fans permalink

In case you have not had the opportunity I highly recommend reading "FOLLOW THE MONEY" it is a great story about how the Repulicans stole Billions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

Obama cannot decide to play nice on this...this is where I want him to be TOUGH AS NAILS, and go for the jugular...Bush may be gracious to him now, but Obama needs to show no such mercy and sympathy for Bush's crimes...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 11/20/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 77 fans permalink

and they are still looting the treasury as we speak, Bush and Paulson, Bernanke, etc. and no one,
but no one is stopping them. Interestingly, they are taking the whole world down with their
schemes. In order to get out of this mess a world war will be needed. Mankind destroying themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 11/20/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

You don't read much, do You?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 11/20/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 228 fans permalink

Its about damn time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 11/19/2008
- lafrance I'm a Fan of lafrance 40 fans permalink

I hope someday Bush and cheney pay for their evil.
and I hope it's soon enough for us, the American people who have had to live with thier nastiness for 8 years get to see the retribution exacted.
We, the people, will never be truly free again until we see Bush and Cheney have to answer for their crimes and what they did in our name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 11/19/2008
- tantrictim I'm a Fan of tantrictim 30 fans permalink
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its ironic that dick the cheney should be under indictment for alleged prisoner mistreatment in south texas, gitmo makes that prison look like club fed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 11/19/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

This is mere playground stuff next to Gitmo...let's see him hauled off to Hague along with the usual suspects of war criminals among the Bush Crime Junta: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Miers, Gonzales, Yoo, Condi, and yes, Colin Powell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 11/20/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

You are in la-la land.....this will never happen, GWB and Cheney did nothing wrong...only in the eyes of the liberals, and thank god BO isn't a liberal....uh, I think...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 11/20/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 442 fans permalink
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Excuse me while I hurl.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 11/19/2008

Considering how pathologically dishonest the U.S. military is, I doubt their claims for Binalshibh's resort-style accommodations are true. On the other hand, we know that U.S. torture protocols include extreme temperatures and assaultive noises. I gotta think the terrorist is telling the truth here, and that's sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 11/19/2008
- skeeto I'm a Fan of skeeto 2 fans permalink

Sad? I'm getting ill. I have come to the point where I believe a possible terrorist before I believe my own government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 AM on 11/20/2008
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The Bush Legacy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 11/20/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

Go for it....it seems as you already do, so don't let me stop you...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 11/20/2008
- peggyleg I'm a Fan of peggyleg 22 fans permalink

Pathologically dishones the US military is? Nooneyouknow, you are really grating on my last nerve....please do NOT make sweeping statements such as this,,,you really show your anti-Americans sentiments when you do...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 11/20/2008
- MrsPeel I'm a Fan of MrsPeel 57 fans permalink
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peggy peggy peggy,

As you are having difficulty tolerating Nooneyouknow, may I suggest what you wrote to 'luvobama' on 11/18, 15:03:35:

"Pleae [sic] go away, luvobama....[insert your name here, peggyleg] you are irrelevant in my conversations with others...in fact, I would go as far as saying you are merely "irrelevant"....so just go away.."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 11/20/2008
- tedeger I'm a Fan of tedeger 2 fans permalink

Why does no one ever mention that 757's are equipped with "Anti-hijacking" devices that allow them to be taken over from the ground and flown wherever the ground controller wants them to go?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 11/19/2008
- nochange I'm a Fan of nochange 4 fans permalink

is that true?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 11/20/2008
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Yes, it is true. I was surprised when I first read about it. While it is "technologically possible", the financial costs don't make it quite feasible at this point in time.

Here's one link; posted in 2004:
http://www2.jsonline.com/bym/news/jun04/234595.asp

"The technology of smart bombs and unmanned drones could create airliners that refuse to be hijacked - and that land themselves rather than follow terrorists' commands, an aviation industry leader says."

"That technology already exists - if someone is willing to put up the billions of dollars it would take to outfit the nation's commercial airline fleet with such equipment, said Douglass, whose association represents aircraft manufacturers and their suppliers."

"Part of that research has focused on modifying "refuse to crash" systems that NASA already was developing to prevent aviation accidents. In those systems, computer software steers an aircraft away from collisions with buildings, mountains and other aircraft if the pilot doesn't react."

"When the aircraft approached one of the simulated protected areas, a yellow dome appeared over the landmark on the screen, then changed to red as the 757 got closer, NASA said. If the test pilot didn't steer away when the dome turned red, the software took over and steered the plane away."

"Military technology could take that system a step further, to land hijacked planes by autopilot, said Douglass, a retired U.S. Air Force brigadier general and former assistant Navy secretary for research and development.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 11/20/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 290 fans permalink
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So what's your point? Are you saying that BushCo took over the planes and flew them into the buildings?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 11/20/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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Sure, to rture is all fun and games until someone get's an eye poked out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 11/19/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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Sure, torture is all fun and games until someone get's an eye p oked out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 11/19/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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Sure, torture is all fun and games until someone get's an eye poked out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 11/19/2008
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