Dems delay auto bailout vote, seek plan from Big 3

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 20, 2008 11:40 PM EST | AP

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif., right, accompanied by Senate Majority Harry Reid of Nev. takes part in a news conference on the auto industry bailout, with fellow congressional leaders, Thursday, Nov. 20, 2008, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

WASHINGTON — The $25 billion rescue plan for the auto industry, desperately sought by Detroit's beleaguered Big Three, collapsed Thursday as Congress drew the line at one more bailout and Democrats said they wouldn't even consider it until the companies produced a convincing plan for rebuilding their once-mighty industry.

The demise of the rescue _ at least for now _ left uncertain the fate of General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, and sent Wall Street spiraling to its lowest level in years. The Dow Jones industrials dropped 445 points, the second straight plunge of more than 400, and hit the lowest point in nearly six years.

The carmakers have been clobbered by lackluster sales and choked credit, and are battling to stay afloat through year's end. Failure of one or more of the Big Three would be a severe further blow to the floundering economy _ and to many Americans' view of the nation's industrial strength _ and throw a million or more additional workers off the job.

Just Thursday, the government reported that laid-off workers' new claims for jobless aid had reached a 16-year high and the number of Americans searching for work had soared past 10 million. Congress approved a measure to extend jobless benefits through the holidays, and the White House said President George W. Bush would quickly sign it.

But Democratic leaders scrapped votes on the auto rescue, postponing until next month a politically tricky decision on whether to approve yet another unpopular bailout at a time of economic peril, or risk being blamed for the implosion of an industry that employs millions and has broad reach into all aspects of the U.S. economy.

"Until they show us the plan, we cannot show them the money," Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a hastily called news conference in the Capitol.

GM, Ford and Chrysler quickly issued statements promising to submit the blueprint the Democrats demanded.

Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Congress might return to work in early December for a vote on aid to the carmakers _ but only if they show Congress they could use the funds to transform their struggling industry into a viable one.

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For now, however, the Democrats said the aid plan lacked the support to pass Congress and be signed by Bush.

Bush and congressional Republicans had balked at Democrats' suggestion to draw emergency auto industry loans from the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund. And most Democrats were unwilling to go along with a separate, bipartisan effort backed by the White House to temporarily divert an existing program to help carmakers produce vehicles that burn less gasoline to cover the companies immediate financial needs.

But with GM warning it could go under before year's end, Democratic leaders were unwilling to close up shop for the year and appear to turn a deaf ear to the industry. They called for a Big Three viability plan by Dec. 2, scheduled hearings that week on the report, and said a vote on a bailout could come the week of Dec. 8.

"Yes, we're kicking the can down the road, because that will give us the opportunity to do something positive," Reid said. "But that will only happen if they get their act together."

The White House criticized the delay, saying the plan to let the automakers tap the fuel-efficiency loans for their short-term cash needs should be considered.

"If there are lawmakers who want to help the automakers, and they have a path to do so, why are they going to kick the can down the road?" said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

The chief executives of the Big Three automakers appealed personally to lawmakers for the loans this week, saying their problem was the economic meltdown that has walloped their industry _ not that they were manufacturing unappealing cars.

But whatever support they found sagged when it became known that each of them had flown into Washington aboard multimillion-dollar corporate jets. Reid observed that was "difficult to explain" to taxpayers in his hometown of Searchlight, Nev.

Pelosi said she had little patience left for excuses from the carmakers on why they haven't turned their businesses around.

Beyond the auto industry, lawmakers said the public has little appetite for anything else that smacks of a bailout, following the backlash against the $700 billion financial rescue.

"There is a sense that we did not do a good enough job of safeguarding the use of those funds, or providing prevention against abuse. And you could not get, I believe, through either house of Congress today what some people might think was a repeat. That's why we need to take time," said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.

Even if lawmakers return to vote, they are likely to insist on numerous conditions on any loans. Democrats and Republicans alike want the government to get a chance to share in future profits by the auto companies, require them to limit executives' pay packages and prohibit use of the funds for lobbying or paying shareholders dividends.

In scrapping plans for a vote this week, the Democratic leaders sidetracked a bipartisan agreement to temporarily divert the fuel-efficiency funds to cover the auto companies' operations.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said that plan had a "reasonable chance" of passing, and that the leaders' decision to delay it was "risky and unnecessary."

"We need speed. This is a very, very important moment," Levin said.

Indeed, the Democratic Congress _ having just expanded its majorities in this month's elections _ was under immense pressure to show it could govern in a difficult situation.

"I can't imagine a scenario where they wouldn't come back, unless the answer is that they just don't care. And if that's the case, then the American people ought to know that," Perino said.

The leaders of the Big Three automakers have painted a grim picture of their financial position. They burned through nearly $18 billion in cash reserves during the last quarter _ about $7 billion at GM, almost $8 billion at Ford and $3 billion at Chrysler. GM and Chrysler have said they could collapse in weeks.

The stakes are high. The Detroit automakers employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other workers produce materials and parts that go into cars. About 1 million more people work in dealerships nationwide. If just one of the automakers declared bankruptcy, some estimates put U.S. job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

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Associated Press writers Ken Thomas, David Espo, Andrew Taylor and Jennifer Loven contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — The $25 billion rescue plan for the auto industry, desperately sought by Detroit's beleaguered Big Three, collapsed Thursday as Congress drew the line at one more bailout and Democr...
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Very good. Make 'em work for their handouts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 11/21/2008
- SOLERSO68 I'm a Fan of SOLERSO68 36 fans permalink
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1/3 of the congress, a republican faction from states with foreign factories want them to fail and go into bankruptcy. 1/3 a "bi-partisan" group from the greatlakes states want a loan NOW and 1/3 , a democratic faction want to be shown a "business plan"(for political cover) thats 2/3 who want to approve the loan in some form. This is a done deal. the rest is just posturing and details. Vent if you must but we shouldnt let them go under, not if we want to control our energy futire and restore a manufacturing base. Both major objectives for Pres Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 11/21/2008
- 0emissions I'm a Fan of 0emissions 3 fans permalink
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The three of them together having already in the past year spent $25 billion on just ADVERTISING!!
Just so that we will pick up another one of their noisy, stinky, cancer causing, life destroying products.
Way to go America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 11/21/2008

why didn't pelosi, reid, et al require a month ago that the auto manufacturers prepare a plan if they wanted $?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 11/21/2008
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One would assume they were smart enough to figure that out for themselves.

Who goes to a bank for a loan without a business plan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 11/21/2008

AIG, BEAR STEARNS, GOLDSMAN SACHS, CITIBANK, JP MORGAN ........

I guess everyone needs a plan other than banks. kinda strange or is it the epitome of what i call a double standard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 11/22/2008
- MsCanadian I'm a Fan of MsCanadian 7 fans permalink
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These guys are finished! They are not producing any products that the US really needs, and to keep them going just to provide jobs isn't efficient.

I am sure that it would not be long before some visionary with better business plans that are in tune with the times would emerge, and could even create jobs in a new auto industry in the US.

The current system is dead. Why prolong the agony? The sooner we bury it, the sooner a new paradigm can emerge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 11/21/2008
- stell I'm a Fan of stell 21 fans permalink

Is it just me or Congress asking for more accountability for a $25 billion dollar bridge loan, than they did for a $750 billion dollar bailout?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 11/21/2008
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it's not just you but the "entire economy" is not at stake. Or something.

Either way, I'm glad they finally show Some sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 11/21/2008
- onalimb I'm a Fan of onalimb 5 fans permalink

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/21/2008
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The Big Three came to Capitol Hill with their hands out but of course with no plan to make it through 2009. Why would anybody want to give them a dime. Flying in on private jets was typical of how you burn $5 billion a month in red ink with a failed business plan. So Congress had to tell them to go back to your failed corporations and come of with some plan to make it appear we aren't handing out billions because the Auto Workers Union is going away when you file for bankruptcy in 2009. Because we all know the Big Three have failed to provide quality cars, confronted the energy efficiency challenges in the marketplace, or worked to come up with zero emmisssion products so we don't threaten to kill the planet. They are done. Stick a fork in them. The first thing you need to do is fire them all. The first step to the future was the demise of Chairman Dingell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 11/21/2008

Yes, they went to Washington on separate jets. However, had they flown together, they may have been charged by the government with collusion. This is a serious time. Quit the nitpicking! Oh, by the way, how many Senators and Congressman have flown on those corporate planes for the price of a 1st class ticket?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 11/21/2008

My sentiments exactly-I just googled to see what class of service our government officials fly-one website toted-146 million spent in first class seats?! I agree-quit nitpicking! If you can't stomach the CEO's of big corporations or even the local car dealer, think of the blue collar worker on the assembly line out of a job x 1000's. They will end up on unemployment and eventually on welfare. Where will our country be? Do we want to be totally dependent on foreign cars? Where is the pride in being an American and supporting your fellow Americans-big or small?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 11/23/2008
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 53 fans permalink

IF they had been willing to sell off their jets, limo's and give up perks AND take a pay/bonus cut...then I would have had to take a second look. I KNOW things can go really badly if they go down, but I have not heard of any feasible plans to change the direction/design of the cars they produce. WE want efficient alternative fuel/electric small cars.

They just don't seem to get it and until they do....change won't happen thus NO MORE Cash..It's my money too and I clearly will Never see a payback...neither will my grand-children!

NO, more Money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 11/21/2008

AIG/White-Collar -> $150B (kept private jets, did not even have to come to washington)

GM, Ford, Chr/Blue-Collar -> $25B (sell jets, beg, testify, kiss behinds, etc.)

My only problem is: WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 11/22/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Forget the CEOs, their planes and arrogance.....this is ultimately about saving the JOBS of working class people. We MUST help Detroit..and I am sick and tired of those who equate a 25 billion bridge loan with the 700 billion bailout for Wall Street. There are at least 5-7 jobs behind every lineman in the auto industry in states far beyond Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Let those fall and the domino effect escalates. Please get your priorities straight Congress and clueless posters. Quit the grandstanding and blubbering for the cameras and blogs.
Do your homework and find out all the concessions workers have ALREADY made for the next two years to bring their pay and benefits down to the level of foreign car makers. Read about the upcoming cars the big three have on board for 2010.
Why on earth would this country not support the middle class, working class backbone of this country but bailout Wall Street, no questions asked?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 AM on 11/21/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 77 fans permalink

I agree, we should have loaned the money to those who employ millions of people and Wall
Street does not. Paulson and Bush only protected their own investment. He wanted to no oversight and he got it since he did not stick by his promises. Nothing he set out to do was
accomplished so ergo he got what he wanted in the first place. And why people are against bailing out the car industry who employs so many people because they have no foresight and it
does not affect them yet. The influence of the media I suppose! And don't forget it was our
own congress with last year's energy policy that set the standards for the mpgs, which calls for
35 mpgs by the Year 2020. I know you have been asleep and now blame the wrong people!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 11/21/2008
- janeInCA I'm a Fan of janeInCA 5 fans permalink
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They've been getting the open end loan account from banks for years until lately the banks themself were drained. Agree, let CEOs go and save the workers. It will be chain reaction economic disaster if they don't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 11/21/2008
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Not if detroit won't help itself like it was supposed to do with the last handout.

And it was not a wall street bailout - it was a bank bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 11/21/2008

We cannot endure two more months of the leadership vacuum in Washington. If we are to stave off total economic disaster, we need for the Obama administration to take charge immediately. We can accomplish that within a few days. Just repeat the process that took us swiftly from Nixon-Agnew to Ford-Rockefeller.

First, Dick Cheney resigns. Congress then exercises its Constitutional authority and elects Obama Vice President. George W. Bush then resigns, and Obama becomes president. Congress promptly elects Joe Biden as Vice President.

Next, in a magnificent display of bipartisanship, Congress approves President Obama's cabinet. Voila. We have a new team in place. The dramatic change alone, and the display of innovative resolution in Washington, will by itself turn Wall Street from pessimism to optimism.

We implemented this cabinet-type change of government to rid ourselves of another failed presidency. The Republic remained sound. Once done, we never looked back. It’s time to do it again.

Let's roll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 11/21/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

Where are all the "patriots" when it comes to standing up for the middle class and manufacturing in this country?..huh?..where are you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 AM on 11/21/2008
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broke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 11/21/2008
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 11 fans permalink

Let's see, in Japan they help their auto makers with R&D for competitiveness or social benefiting technologies. They also have shared cost of health cost and a more robust "social security". The Germans are similar.

Now their were, and still are, a lot of numb skulls in Detroit, but they have been dumb and had an uneven playing field. Even they now want some sort of shared medical.

Why do most progressives seem to dismiss blue collar stuff and actual real production capability ? We need creativiity and igenuity in our manufacturing, not just finance and academia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 11/21/2008
- JenMI I'm a Fan of JenMI 15 fans permalink

I agree with you until you get to the part about "progressives"......there are far more conservatives out there, especially in Congress, who flat out want nothing to do with the survival of manufacturing in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 AM on 11/21/2008
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 11 fans permalink

Teslas cost what, 100K ?

With credit market's frozen, and Paulson giving baliout money to mainly strong banks that then horde the money and not lend it, how would chapter 11 work at this time ?

I am not buying a car from a company that is is in chapter 11. May be the government will do a massiave and cheap loan as the companies enter chapter 11.

What will it cost US if the they no longer pay taxes and the employees pensions are dumped on to the pension fund ?

Look the US big 3 have not been good and their CEO s and managgement have not been good and seem to be overpaid at this time. I just fear letting them go under at this time. In better times, see chapter 11.

What is it the US still makes that is mass produced ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 11/21/2008
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Teslas are back-ordered. Every car they make has ALREADY been sold.

Tesla just got another $40 M in funding, and $11 M in tax breaks from the State to build the $60,000 sedan factory here in San Jose, to be built by Californians.

They are selling their power trains to other car manufacturers. If the big 3 were smart they would license it instead of dumping $Ms THAT THEY DON"T HAVE into R&D.

America can only remain #1 by investing in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 11/21/2008
- TrueSense I'm a Fan of TrueSense 11 fans permalink

That would be interesting if they could use the Tesla power train ?

That would save R & D. May be with their scale, it could make the car more affordable or would it still be over 60 K ?

I think the plug in hybrid is the better way to go. Our grid is not ready for massive units of electric only and would lead to more CO2 from burning coal. Governor Switzer has calculated the impact of just 40 - 50 miles of elecric before gas/fuel and it would break our addiction to current oil levels significantly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 11/21/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 319 fans permalink

Tesla as ordered is a 150K car. Its a 2 seater sports car, very nice .. Lotus built body. Extremely quick off the line.. The cost of its batteries is very high! The cost of the VOLT batteries are high and they give you just a 40 Mile range ( and thats been tough along with getting over a 7 year life, they are trying to get to ten)... so imagine how much more is invested in the batteries in the Tesla to get 200 mile range and which have a life of 5 years... Its not practical to be replacing batteries that cost 50K every 5 years or even 7 years at a cost of 40-50K. How long do your laptop batteries last. Same technology.

Nothing "Unique" about powering vehicles with electric motors or the drive trains. Electric cars have been around for 100 years. Their are electric trains and street cars and golf carts.

A 40 mile range with a Generator to supply electric after the 40 miles such that with 6 gallons you get 400 miles as in the case of VOLT type cars that seat 4 and can carry the family groceries is a more advanced concept. A 200 mile range does not allow you do drive from north LA to San Diego for the day, go to the Zoo , drive around some and drive back... It does not allow you to drive from LA to San Fransico for the weekend and back.


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 11/21/2008

Hubris is the sin that no one forgives. The Big 3 have shown such hubris over the decades. Seeing these CEO's with their hands out because they have been shortsighted and driven their own Titanic straight into the iceberg, is NOT our problem. It's their problem, they got themselves into the mess, they need to get themselves out of the mess, just like every other business owner has to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 11/21/2008
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