Dems delay auto bailout vote, seek plan from Big 3

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 20, 2008 11:40 PM EST | AP

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif., right, accompanied by Senate Majority Harry Reid of Nev. takes part in a news conference on the auto industry bailout, with fellow congressional leaders, Thursday, Nov. 20, 2008, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

WASHINGTON — The $25 billion rescue plan for the auto industry, desperately sought by Detroit's beleaguered Big Three, collapsed Thursday as Congress drew the line at one more bailout and Democrats said they wouldn't even consider it until the companies produced a convincing plan for rebuilding their once-mighty industry.

The demise of the rescue _ at least for now _ left uncertain the fate of General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, and sent Wall Street spiraling to its lowest level in years. The Dow Jones industrials dropped 445 points, the second straight plunge of more than 400, and hit the lowest point in nearly six years.

The carmakers have been clobbered by lackluster sales and choked credit, and are battling to stay afloat through year's end. Failure of one or more of the Big Three would be a severe further blow to the floundering economy _ and to many Americans' view of the nation's industrial strength _ and throw a million or more additional workers off the job.

Just Thursday, the government reported that laid-off workers' new claims for jobless aid had reached a 16-year high and the number of Americans searching for work had soared past 10 million. Congress approved a measure to extend jobless benefits through the holidays, and the White House said President George W. Bush would quickly sign it.

But Democratic leaders scrapped votes on the auto rescue, postponing until next month a politically tricky decision on whether to approve yet another unpopular bailout at a time of economic peril, or risk being blamed for the implosion of an industry that employs millions and has broad reach into all aspects of the U.S. economy.

"Until they show us the plan, we cannot show them the money," Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a hastily called news conference in the Capitol.

GM, Ford and Chrysler quickly issued statements promising to submit the blueprint the Democrats demanded.

Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Congress might return to work in early December for a vote on aid to the carmakers _ but only if they show Congress they could use the funds to transform their struggling industry into a viable one.

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For now, however, the Democrats said the aid plan lacked the support to pass Congress and be signed by Bush.

Bush and congressional Republicans had balked at Democrats' suggestion to draw emergency auto industry loans from the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund. And most Democrats were unwilling to go along with a separate, bipartisan effort backed by the White House to temporarily divert an existing program to help carmakers produce vehicles that burn less gasoline to cover the companies immediate financial needs.

But with GM warning it could go under before year's end, Democratic leaders were unwilling to close up shop for the year and appear to turn a deaf ear to the industry. They called for a Big Three viability plan by Dec. 2, scheduled hearings that week on the report, and said a vote on a bailout could come the week of Dec. 8.

"Yes, we're kicking the can down the road, because that will give us the opportunity to do something positive," Reid said. "But that will only happen if they get their act together."

The White House criticized the delay, saying the plan to let the automakers tap the fuel-efficiency loans for their short-term cash needs should be considered.

"If there are lawmakers who want to help the automakers, and they have a path to do so, why are they going to kick the can down the road?" said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

The chief executives of the Big Three automakers appealed personally to lawmakers for the loans this week, saying their problem was the economic meltdown that has walloped their industry _ not that they were manufacturing unappealing cars.

But whatever support they found sagged when it became known that each of them had flown into Washington aboard multimillion-dollar corporate jets. Reid observed that was "difficult to explain" to taxpayers in his hometown of Searchlight, Nev.

Pelosi said she had little patience left for excuses from the carmakers on why they haven't turned their businesses around.

Beyond the auto industry, lawmakers said the public has little appetite for anything else that smacks of a bailout, following the backlash against the $700 billion financial rescue.

"There is a sense that we did not do a good enough job of safeguarding the use of those funds, or providing prevention against abuse. And you could not get, I believe, through either house of Congress today what some people might think was a repeat. That's why we need to take time," said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.

Even if lawmakers return to vote, they are likely to insist on numerous conditions on any loans. Democrats and Republicans alike want the government to get a chance to share in future profits by the auto companies, require them to limit executives' pay packages and prohibit use of the funds for lobbying or paying shareholders dividends.

In scrapping plans for a vote this week, the Democratic leaders sidetracked a bipartisan agreement to temporarily divert the fuel-efficiency funds to cover the auto companies' operations.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said that plan had a "reasonable chance" of passing, and that the leaders' decision to delay it was "risky and unnecessary."

"We need speed. This is a very, very important moment," Levin said.

Indeed, the Democratic Congress _ having just expanded its majorities in this month's elections _ was under immense pressure to show it could govern in a difficult situation.

"I can't imagine a scenario where they wouldn't come back, unless the answer is that they just don't care. And if that's the case, then the American people ought to know that," Perino said.

The leaders of the Big Three automakers have painted a grim picture of their financial position. They burned through nearly $18 billion in cash reserves during the last quarter _ about $7 billion at GM, almost $8 billion at Ford and $3 billion at Chrysler. GM and Chrysler have said they could collapse in weeks.

The stakes are high. The Detroit automakers employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other workers produce materials and parts that go into cars. About 1 million more people work in dealerships nationwide. If just one of the automakers declared bankruptcy, some estimates put U.S. job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

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Associated Press writers Ken Thomas, David Espo, Andrew Taylor and Jennifer Loven contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — The $25 billion rescue plan for the auto industry, desperately sought by Detroit's beleaguered Big Three, collapsed Thursday as Congress drew the line at one more bailout and Democr...
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- peepeeray I'm a Fan of peepeeray 2 fans permalink
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A plan? That's a novel idea. How about if one of these economic brainiacs in Congress succinctly and accurately explain what this $700B bailout "plan" is all about and how the oversight is working before another red cent of taxpayer money is wasted on it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 11/20/2008
- Hawka I'm a Fan of Hawka 9 fans permalink

Talk to Paulson, he's the one finding ways to circumvent just about everything that closely resembled oversight for the most part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

How can anyone convincingly say that the auto bailout will work when we have seen already the folly of doling out money to the banks?

For those auto company employees who thought they could continue getting paid 70/hr., those days are done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 11/21/2008
- zorak1704 I'm a Fan of zorak1704 12 fans permalink
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Where was all of this outrage when the government gave the banks 700 billion. The hate towards the working man is frightening. How dare they make more than 10 bucks an hour without a college degree and 100,000 in student debt. It's going to take an awful lot of minimum wage jobs to cover the loss of taxes from 3 million manufacturing jobs. It will be the return of what the conservatives have fought for for 65 years, it was called the Guilded Age. Those at the very top have all the power and the money, those at the very bottom are just slaves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 11/20/2008
- DCtrain I'm a Fan of DCtrain 4 fans permalink

the auto barrons are arrogant. Arrogance doesn't work very well when you're in need.

Why pay them to make gas hogs. They need a new direction big time and not targeted at
reproducing gas hogs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

Agreed...I have ZERO sympathy for the Big Three. The employees of these companies are pawns in the idiotic management of the US industry by greedy, selfish, obnoxious CEOs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 11/21/2008
- Oldbuck I'm a Fan of Oldbuck 8 fans permalink
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In defence of our Domestic Auto industry they have been making moves to compete but we do not have a level playing field when competing with Honda, Toyota and Nissan the have assembly plants in the United States but they build the parts for these auto in Japan where they have national health cost and the motor companies are subsidized in Japan. How about Japan and Korea letting us assemble our autos in their country's. Let's tell the whole story about this the parts being assembled in the United States foreign motor plants are not contributing to our economy in any way. Yet you want to turn the Big Three out without help this will wreck our country if not aready wrecked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 11/20/2008

Your comment is well-noted. However, this bailout for Domestic Auto is for the future of the industry to remain competitive. That is, invest in future technology. Domestic Auto was given notice for decades about the growing import car industry. They refused to change. They were given advance notice to invest in hybrids, instead they invested in SUV's and gas guzzlers. I think Congress wants to know in what direction Domestic Auto is going to take, so that the bailout would not be just another blank check.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

No money without new investments in modern, 21st Century technology...the combustible, gaz guzzling engine is DEAD. Detroit, wake up!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 11/21/2008
- zorak1704 I'm a Fan of zorak1704 12 fans permalink
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Detroit fails. Next will be Boeing. Then we can buy our fighter planes from the Russians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 11/20/2008

I doubt Boeing will fail. They played smart by investing in the Dreamliner, which is more practical versus the European Airbus's Double Decker. Dreamliner, in other industry blogs will roll-out much quicker. The Double Decker, however will mainly be sued to fly from one major city to another, that leaves the mid-size cities out of the market. Mid-size cities is a growing market. People want direct routes, not connecting routes. This day in age, it almost makes more sense to drive a 5 hour trip, and you can keep your car, versus flying multi-connected destinations, going through all the hassle of security, and missed connections and baggage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 11/20/2008
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Aerospace has never asked for a bailout and continues to make $$$ with a Unionized workforce.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 11/20/2008
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 252 fans permalink

Yet to sell their planes in China, they had to move production to China. Now that China has the technology, they have like Eurpoe set up a government owned aircraft MFG company which in 5 years they will only be buying from.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 11/21/2008

About time Congress stopped throwing good money after bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 11/20/2008
- Imago I'm a Fan of Imago 92 fans permalink
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So why don't we take that $25 billion and invest it in new companies that are committed to sustainable business models and providing Americans with truly energy efficient automobiles?

These people have proven they don't have a clue about how to keep this industry healthy.

So, let's make room for the new guys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 11/20/2008
- zorak1704 I'm a Fan of zorak1704 12 fans permalink
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WHERE WAS AIG'S PLAN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 11/20/2008
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 8 fans permalink
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Their plan was to pay bonuses and go to a spa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 11/20/2008
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 72 fans permalink

This is not hard Follow GORDON BROWNS plan...12% interest, board represention, capped salaries, no other perks (pensions private planes, business lunches etc) and a plan to bring back the electric car and the cars from Europe which are functional.... Then audit by the GAO on a monthly basis....and double signatures for super expenses like IT charges to make sure they are not hiring their wives companies...You know, rational reasonable expenses supported by bids....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 11/20/2008

Why should the government get a better deal than the taxpayers? There's no oversight or double signatures or audit for us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 11/20/2008
- Amalek I'm a Fan of Amalek 103 fans permalink
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Unamerican schatsie, or at least unrepublican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 11/21/2008

I think it's hilarious that Pelosi is saying that she won't show any money until they're shown a plan. Where was this backbone of hers when the banks came groveling? The banks have the money which they were supposed to loan to help stimulate the economy and they are not lending to anyone. Cities can't get funding for their projects and payroll.

So, again: Where was this BACKBONE and common sense with the banks for the 700 BILLION dollars that they handed out without preconditions?

Congress is full of hypocrites and I wish that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were going out with all of the other ousted members so that there can be some real leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 11/20/2008
- Twinkie I'm a Fan of Twinkie 3 fans permalink

Uhm, the delay in approving the initial bailout cost America 2.5 Trillion dollars. This delay has cost another 500 billion dollars in lost stock market value. That's a loss of 3 trillion dollars trying to hold up spending 725 billion. Got any other bright ideas?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 11/21/2008
- luluLA I'm a Fan of luluLA 2 fans permalink

This is the brilliant group of guys that brought us the Hummers and Escalades.

The American car has become a joke, it's a huge gas guzzling my wife can't drive get her the biggest car out there, or the little guy who needs a large car to compensate for a small.....­..........­.

These 3 Men have helped to contribute to the higher gas prices and have never considered our environment or natural resources. (until now because they are forced to)

Fire them!
Then rebuild these companies with an entirely new outlook, view, plan and design.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 11/20/2008
- jneuman771 I'm a Fan of jneuman771 2 fans permalink

1. people bought these gas-guzzlers and detroit filled a market niche. you just have to look at the hummer dealerships in very affluent areas. they built them and people bought them, and all you have to do is look at the fact the japanese also started to make the big trucks as well because they were looking for the same market
2. my buick, and my lesabre get 34 to 32 mpg a gallon, and i can seat 6.
3. if you are going to write here, i think you also need the facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 11/20/2008
- Amalek I'm a Fan of Amalek 103 fans permalink
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Republicans and Christian end-timers created that market niche because they wanted to destroy the earth as soon as possible so Jesus could return.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 11/20/2008
- luluLA I'm a Fan of luluLA 2 fans permalink

Pretty clear what the facts are, they need a bail out.

Your Buick and your Lasabre are as out dated as McCain.
The market IS changing and they haven't changed with it, or have you.

The affluent areas are also filled with BMW's, Porsche's, Lexus's and Mercedes.
and I know who bought the big cars, I see them everyday, they are my neighbors.
They are the same people who don't believe in Global warming.
If you travel outside of America you would realize what a joke these American car companies really are. They help keep up the American image that bigger is better.

So the facts are clear, your Tax dollar most likely will pay for their stupidity. Happy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 11/20/2008
- MayaBeach I'm a Fan of MayaBeach 6 fans permalink

Come on you guys! The Big Three executives NEED the cash to stuff their seats on their corporate jets they fly around on for free watching SUV's in gridlocks on the highways under their feet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 11/20/2008
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And to continue to pay the punch press operators $75 per hour.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 11/20/2008
- Twinkie I'm a Fan of Twinkie 3 fans permalink

No one in the auto industry gets paid $75 an hour. What are you some kind of Republican stooge?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 11/21/2008

Let them, Ford & GM & Chrysler file bankruptcy, all that is going to do is to have them to restructure and cut all of those fat cat saleries out. They don't need any money to retool with, like I've already said is just let them change the rims on there new cars. Then put the money saved into ecolojizing, that's a new one, there newer models......

Suane

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 11/20/2008

GET RID OF THE COMBUSTION ENGINE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 11/20/2008
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Harvest crops with golf carts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 11/20/2008

rick-shaws for everyone!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 11/20/2008
- Deadmoose I'm a Fan of Deadmoose 3 fans permalink

Who are we going to bail out next - the plumbers??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 11/20/2008
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 8 fans permalink
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I heard Joe he Plumber was in Washington with a tin cup. He needs something to tide him over until his book comes out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 11/20/2008
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