Dems delay auto bailout vote, seek plan from Big 3

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JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS | November 20, 2008 11:40 PM EST | AP

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif., right, accompanied by Senate Majority Harry Reid of Nev. takes part in a news conference on the auto industry bailout, with fellow congressional leaders, Thursday, Nov. 20, 2008, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

WASHINGTON — The $25 billion rescue plan for the auto industry, desperately sought by Detroit's beleaguered Big Three, collapsed Thursday as Congress drew the line at one more bailout and Democrats said they wouldn't even consider it until the companies produced a convincing plan for rebuilding their once-mighty industry.

The demise of the rescue _ at least for now _ left uncertain the fate of General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, and sent Wall Street spiraling to its lowest level in years. The Dow Jones industrials dropped 445 points, the second straight plunge of more than 400, and hit the lowest point in nearly six years.

The carmakers have been clobbered by lackluster sales and choked credit, and are battling to stay afloat through year's end. Failure of one or more of the Big Three would be a severe further blow to the floundering economy _ and to many Americans' view of the nation's industrial strength _ and throw a million or more additional workers off the job.

Just Thursday, the government reported that laid-off workers' new claims for jobless aid had reached a 16-year high and the number of Americans searching for work had soared past 10 million. Congress approved a measure to extend jobless benefits through the holidays, and the White House said President George W. Bush would quickly sign it.

But Democratic leaders scrapped votes on the auto rescue, postponing until next month a politically tricky decision on whether to approve yet another unpopular bailout at a time of economic peril, or risk being blamed for the implosion of an industry that employs millions and has broad reach into all aspects of the U.S. economy.

"Until they show us the plan, we cannot show them the money," Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a hastily called news conference in the Capitol.

GM, Ford and Chrysler quickly issued statements promising to submit the blueprint the Democrats demanded.

Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Congress might return to work in early December for a vote on aid to the carmakers _ but only if they show Congress they could use the funds to transform their struggling industry into a viable one.

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For now, however, the Democrats said the aid plan lacked the support to pass Congress and be signed by Bush.

Bush and congressional Republicans had balked at Democrats' suggestion to draw emergency auto industry loans from the $700 billion Wall Street rescue fund. And most Democrats were unwilling to go along with a separate, bipartisan effort backed by the White House to temporarily divert an existing program to help carmakers produce vehicles that burn less gasoline to cover the companies immediate financial needs.

But with GM warning it could go under before year's end, Democratic leaders were unwilling to close up shop for the year and appear to turn a deaf ear to the industry. They called for a Big Three viability plan by Dec. 2, scheduled hearings that week on the report, and said a vote on a bailout could come the week of Dec. 8.

"Yes, we're kicking the can down the road, because that will give us the opportunity to do something positive," Reid said. "But that will only happen if they get their act together."

The White House criticized the delay, saying the plan to let the automakers tap the fuel-efficiency loans for their short-term cash needs should be considered.

"If there are lawmakers who want to help the automakers, and they have a path to do so, why are they going to kick the can down the road?" said Dana Perino, the White House press secretary.

The chief executives of the Big Three automakers appealed personally to lawmakers for the loans this week, saying their problem was the economic meltdown that has walloped their industry _ not that they were manufacturing unappealing cars.

But whatever support they found sagged when it became known that each of them had flown into Washington aboard multimillion-dollar corporate jets. Reid observed that was "difficult to explain" to taxpayers in his hometown of Searchlight, Nev.

Pelosi said she had little patience left for excuses from the carmakers on why they haven't turned their businesses around.

Beyond the auto industry, lawmakers said the public has little appetite for anything else that smacks of a bailout, following the backlash against the $700 billion financial rescue.

"There is a sense that we did not do a good enough job of safeguarding the use of those funds, or providing prevention against abuse. And you could not get, I believe, through either house of Congress today what some people might think was a repeat. That's why we need to take time," said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.

Even if lawmakers return to vote, they are likely to insist on numerous conditions on any loans. Democrats and Republicans alike want the government to get a chance to share in future profits by the auto companies, require them to limit executives' pay packages and prohibit use of the funds for lobbying or paying shareholders dividends.

In scrapping plans for a vote this week, the Democratic leaders sidetracked a bipartisan agreement to temporarily divert the fuel-efficiency funds to cover the auto companies' operations.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., said that plan had a "reasonable chance" of passing, and that the leaders' decision to delay it was "risky and unnecessary."

"We need speed. This is a very, very important moment," Levin said.

Indeed, the Democratic Congress _ having just expanded its majorities in this month's elections _ was under immense pressure to show it could govern in a difficult situation.

"I can't imagine a scenario where they wouldn't come back, unless the answer is that they just don't care. And if that's the case, then the American people ought to know that," Perino said.

The leaders of the Big Three automakers have painted a grim picture of their financial position. They burned through nearly $18 billion in cash reserves during the last quarter _ about $7 billion at GM, almost $8 billion at Ford and $3 billion at Chrysler. GM and Chrysler have said they could collapse in weeks.

The stakes are high. The Detroit automakers employ nearly a quarter-million workers, and more than 730,000 other workers produce materials and parts that go into cars. About 1 million more people work in dealerships nationwide. If just one of the automakers declared bankruptcy, some estimates put U.S. job losses next year as high as 2.5 million.

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Associated Press writers Ken Thomas, David Espo, Andrew Taylor and Jennifer Loven contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — The $25 billion rescue plan for the auto industry, desperately sought by Detroit's beleaguered Big Three, collapsed Thursday as Congress drew the line at one more bailout and Democr...
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- DWGRadio I'm a Fan of DWGRadio 6 fans permalink
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Finally. I've been waiting two years for Nancy Pelosi to grow a spine. What people forget is that foreign automakers have plenty of factories and employees in the US (I am in Ohio, your Honda comes from here). The greedy unions and auto executives did this to themselves by compromising the quality of their product. Let them go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 11/20/2008
- truelockCA I'm a Fan of truelockCA 9 fans permalink

I read that today. The folks love the honda plant in Ohio. They verbally slamed the UAW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 11/20/2008

Are there labor unions in Japan? What about socialized medicine? Are pensions funded by the Japanese government? Does the Japanese government subsidize Japanese automakers?
Or is Japan run by free market conservatives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 11/20/2008
- cavegal I'm a Fan of cavegal 313 fans permalink
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Japan definitely has socialized medicine and the automobile industry is subsidized by the government. The US is the only industrialized nation that does not have socialized medicine. We have a system of health for profit here. And for the price it's pretty crappy medicine. About a year ago Forbes magazine had an article about the top reasons why so many American companies were outsourcing jobs and the #1 reason was cost of health care benefits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 11/20/2008
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The internal combustion engine industry has gone the way of buggy manufacturers.

Stop giving $$$ to terrorists in the middle east.

If Americans must subsidize, lets subsidize advanced technology that will put us decades ahead of the rest of the world.

http://www.teslamotors.com/

http://www.hybridtechnologies.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 11/20/2008
- cavegal I'm a Fan of cavegal 313 fans permalink
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Hey I can get behind Tesla getting some R&D money! Those guys are awesome and I would love to see an economy sporty convertible. That is something I would buy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 11/20/2008
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They just got $40 M in PRIVATE funding. They already have the plans for the sedan and have the land for the factory, permits and all.

A few $ Billion would put America back on top again.

Look forward!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 11/21/2008
- Chibikim I'm a Fan of Chibikim 5 fans permalink

For a hybrid car, those look chic!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 11/20/2008
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100% ELECTRIC!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 11/21/2008
- truelockCA I'm a Fan of truelockCA 9 fans permalink

Wasn't someone on here yesterday saying it was the republicans fault this is stallling? Wow common sense from Pelosi and Reid....I have to say Obama is rubbing off on them. Thank God! Sell the jets, slash management pay, throw out the UAW contract, and they have a chance. Will that be part of the plan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 11/20/2008
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 9 fans permalink
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I doubt it- these guys have a tremendous sense of entitlement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 11/20/2008
- Leslib I'm a Fan of Leslib 18 fans permalink

I think as a condition for getting money from the government (i.e. from US - the taxpayers) that ANY organization that comes hat-in-hand looking for a bailout be required to immediately fire top management. Those people have proven themselves unworthy of the job and need to step down, forfeighting any bonuses or golden parachutes. Enough is enough. I'm tired of my taxes going to creeps and thugs. This is getting ridiculous. I think these business types are smelling cheap money and they're coming after it likes pigs to a trough. Well, you gotta give to get, bucko. If your company is going under then you're not the man (or woman) for the job. Move over and let someone competent take the reigns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 11/20/2008

i believe most of you posters are right on the money when you express the belief that the 3 automakers iwll go belly up even if they get the bail out.
The saddest part of this situation is that the american autoworkers are the ones who are going to be losing their jobs one way or the other. but it the $25 billion is used to transition the millions of workers loosing their jobs I don't think it will be that bad. I mean transition as extending their unemployment benefits, pay them to retrain even help them relocate to places where they can find employment. They should also get a generous severance pay.

Why should we bailout companies that have produced bad quality cars with poor gas mileage?
I think that these companies should loose their power so other small creative automaking companies can surface.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 11/20/2008
- Superfelo I'm a Fan of Superfelo 6 fans permalink

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$25 Billions, pardner that is not chump change. Neither is it $25 million. Why do the auto companies need that huge amount of money? What is the excuse? What are they going to do with it? They will give it to them; they are just playing charade because they gave in to Paulsen so easily to the tune of 750 Billions for nothing.
From where we would stand it would seem to make more sense to give a bailout to people who build things; than to paper shufflers, like AIG and American Express. It would make more sense to give that bailout money to the cities and states where real people live; the people that create the wealth.
The bailout; I have been calling it the "the great train robbery in clear daylight” from day one.
Somebody should take responsibility and really watch what they are going to do with that $25 Billions; a lot more than a king's ransom.
All of it, the whole situation is just a manufactured crisis; just like the other manufactured crisis, of the last eight years, to make us fall in line; and so they can have their way. We ask: What did the airlines do with the $20 Billions they got after 9/11, and we were oh so deep in the sorrow and the pity, that we did not noticed we were being robbed. What is our excuse now? Enough said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 11/20/2008

Initially I didn’t particularly agree with the bailout, but I have started to wonder if foreign car manufactures are lobbing Congress against the bailout. It’s the easy way to stomp out the completion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

No...they don't need to...the CEOs are doing it on their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 11/21/2008
- jsump I'm a Fan of jsump 3 fans permalink

I want the auto companies to succeed. However, that is no reason to be stupid.

From experience, I can tell you that If I went to a bank or a group of investors, they would want to see a well designed business plan. They might also set bench marks. They would probably let me continue to have access to the money if I continued to show appropriate progress. They would also require collateral.

Therefore, Pelosi's demand seems quite reasonable. However, I think she should go further and add the other requirements I listed above.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 11/20/2008
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In any company I've ever worked for that was going thru difficult times, the execs went without pay until times got better. Have any of the execs at the big 3 offered to do this?

I just did a search and came up with their salaries and found: http://www.ruralgeek.com/wpblog/?p=154

How about the 'big 3' bail themselves out? It looks to me like they could afford to do it, and maybe not have to sell their corporate jets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 11/20/2008
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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Ioccoca worked for two years at $1.00 per year to help Chrysler.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 11/20/2008
- mtflyer I'm a Fan of mtflyer 8 fans permalink

I applaud the reluctance to bail out the auto companies without strict conditions. The arrogant s.o.b.'s flying in on corporate jets (costing their companies $20,000 each). One exec was asked if he would take a pay cut and was indignant.
First of all, these greedy management types should indeed be FORCED to resign without compensation. Any hesitancy should result in their prosecution for contempt of Congress and anything else we can think of. Reduce them to the point they have to rely on public transit.
Secondly as part of a viable plan, include mandatory mileage improvements and pollution-reducing improvement in their products.
If they are not willing to do this then NO BAILOUT. To avoid them being able to take bankruptcy there must be someway that the federal government could simply assume caretaker status and have the power to do whatever is necessary to straighten things out.
In short, Congress must lay down the law to these corporate nincompoops-either do as we say or you are finished!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

Not only are the CEOs the problem here, but the UAW needs to get over thinking it is going to be able to get a deal that was okay back in the day, but now is simply not going to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 11/21/2008
- RnR I'm a Fan of RnR 27 fans permalink

I have to agree with Pelosi on this one. She's right - give them the money but get a signed, itemized plan of action (eliminating any manufacturing plants in Canada...single payor healthcare there ya know) signed in blood. If they don't agree to scrapping the plans for the Canada plants ... no money. This is OUR TAXPAYER MONEY and not to be used to subsidize their moving manufacturing facilities out of the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 11/20/2008

After listening to someone who has knowledge about finances, I realize that bankruptcy may not be that bad. I will support the automakers no matter what but, maybe, just maybe, a reorganization via bankruptcy will help the workers. That's who I care about. The CEOs, absolutely not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 11/20/2008
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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yes as long as the pensions are preserved. people worked their lives to have retirement. we need NO MORE enrons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 11/20/2008
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There was a good article in the SF Chronicle today explaining how Ch. 11 is no big deal - except for the guys who flew in on the jets for a handout. see www.sfgate.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 11/20/2008
- truelockCA I'm a Fan of truelockCA 9 fans permalink

Canada means no UAW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 11/20/2008
- OneTop I'm a Fan of OneTop 95 fans permalink
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Canada means CAW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 11/20/2008
- OneTop I'm a Fan of OneTop 95 fans permalink
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Canada is very profitable for the the Detroit 3.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081103.wautosales1103/BNStory/Front

Both from the point of view of sales and production. Besides, Canada has yet again made a commitment to help the Detroit 3. Something the U.S. congress at this point is unwilling to do.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081118.wmcguinty1118/BNStory/National/?cid=al_gam_mostdiscuss

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 11/20/2008
- IAB I'm a Fan of IAB permalink

Pelosi, Reid, and Obama talk a good game, but their words are empty crapola.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 11/21/2008
- jerrypl I'm a Fan of jerrypl 63 fans permalink
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Let's hold her to it!!! These three have not shown us anything but more of the same.

http://eye-on-washington.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 11/20/2008
- boing007 I'm a Fan of boing007 9 fans permalink

Let's get serious folks. This is a Royal Fuckup. Bush should be physically removed from the Oval Office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 11/20/2008
- truelockCA I'm a Fan of truelockCA 9 fans permalink

Bush ran the Auto Companies? I think you need to look at the Unions and poor management....Can't blame everything on him

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 11/20/2008
- playera I'm a Fan of playera 2 fans permalink

If I were a congressman on the committee I would ask each of the top executives to resign immediately, with full honors, as a condition of consideration of the money.

I would ask each of them if they were willing to resign immediately without ANY compensation for the past or the future. Take only the clothes on their back, and family fotos in their office. Nothing else.

Resign today, hold your head up high, walk away from all of the money, power, perks, and privileges. If they truly want to rescue their companies, give up their jobs.

They have been paid enough and don't deserve any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 11/20/2008
- mtflyer I'm a Fan of mtflyer 8 fans permalink

I agree with your comment except the business of honor. They have no honor and should be ashamed to look anyone in the eye. Put them in a position where like too many Americans, they will lose their homes and will have to rely on public transit instead of private jets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 11/20/2008

That would hardly solve the problem. Regardless of who will head Big3, there ought to be a plan on how to revitalized the dinasaur auto industry - plan that would include eliminating a good portion of its workforce, eliminating Unions, and comprehensive revamp of technology i.e green projects and fuel efficiency, advance engine tech and design as well as safety. The must also include training of the workforce - all of these to compete with Toyota, Nissan, the Korean auto makers. I believe Unions are no longer relevant and should be removed in the auto landscape.

Absence those basic, and the Big3 willingness to get into the program, they are not entitled for any bailout. There are instances where bankruptcy is the only option. Let them fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 11/20/2008
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 9 fans permalink
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I'm afraid a bailout of the big 3 is just postponing the inevitable, whether it be 2, 5, or 10 years these companies are doomed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 11/20/2008
- RnR I'm a Fan of RnR 27 fans permalink

I think, with the right promotional programs it could work. You'd have to engage the other big leech - the insurance industry. Give substantial discounts on american made green vehicles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 11/20/2008
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