Kristol Defends Palin But Says Lieberman Would Have Been As Good

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First Posted: 11-20-08 11:12 AM   |   Updated: 12-21-08 05:12 AM

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Bill Kristol defended yet again of the choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's Vice President during a breakfast conference on Thursday. But the prominent neoconservative pundit and Weekly Standard editor did make one small concession: had John McCain tapped Sen. Joseph Lieberman for his number-two post, the results could have been just as good, if not better for the GOP ticket.

Speaking at a National Journal 2008 campaign retrospective event, Kristol argued that had the Connecticut Independent been the Republican vice presidential nominee, McCain would have lost "20 percent of the vote at the convention," staff would have "left the campaign," there would have been protests on the convention floor, and the news media would have been obsessed with the inter-party friction for a solid month.

Nevertheless, he added, "I think it could have been managed and it could have ended up net-net by the time of the election. But that is a very tough choice to make in real time..."

Kristol had, in fact, made the suggestion that McCain choose Lieberman as his VP in the period leading up to the convention. But he is best known as one of the media's most vocal Palin cheerleaders, once urging McCain to fire his entire campaign staff in part for mishandling the Alaska Governor.

During the event Kristol debated the notion -- put forward by Democratic Pollster Stan Greenberg and confirmed by most empirical data -- that Palin was a drag on the Republican ticket. He acknowledged that the governor lost McCain some votes, "mostly blue state swing voters," but added that she gave McCain "at least a shot of getting the Electoral College votes he needed in states like Ohio."

Speaking earlier, Greenberg noted that in nearly every poll he had examined the top reason for voting against McCain was his choice of Palin. He argued that another choice, like Tim Pawlenty or Mitt Romney, would have made the election closer.

"I was very nervous about this election going into the Democratic convention when they were focused on national security and safety issues. Had they kept those core ideas... through the economic crisis, they would have been much stronger," Greenberg explained. "But they gave up experience, they lost fundamental points by choosing her."

McCain's pollster, Bill McInturf, was the last to speak and took umbrage with Greenberg's analysis. Arguing that Palin brought important features to the campaign -- enthusiasm and money, primarily -- he echoed Kristol in saying there would have absolutely been a crisis on the convention floor had McCain chosen Lieberman.

"Do you want to spend three to six weeks after this convention talking about the Republican Party or moving on," McInturf said he told McCain. "My point in the room was that it would be at least three straight weeks of discussion on the Republican coalition."

All of the panelists, including Democratic strategist Ruy Teixeira, said Palin would be a major player for the Republican presidential nominee in 2012.

Bill Kristol defended yet again of the choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's Vice President during a breakfast conference on Thursday. But the prominent neoconservative pundit and Weekly Standard editor d...
Bill Kristol defended yet again of the choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's Vice President during a breakfast conference on Thursday. But the prominent neoconservative pundit and Weekly Standard editor d...
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How the hell can someone earn a very good living by being wrong far more times than he is right?

Why can't I find a job where I can be wrong all day every day and get rewarded handsomely for it?

Kristol must be hating the internet, and it's inifinite memory. Now the millions of mistakes he has made are just a fingertip away. Yet, he still has a job and his opinions are still being sought by some.

And we wonder why the country is such a mess!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 11/23/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

What a sorry group of people the republicans are and will always be until they make a CHANGE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 11/22/2008
- soapington I'm a Fan of soapington 42 fans permalink
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The Republican Party had to make a choice between Palin and Lieberman? These were their only viable possibilities for VP? What a stunning admission of failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 11/22/2008

Why don't you express your views about Gay Marriage, Bill. Why do you hide behind every issue except the one that effects you personally?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 11/22/2008

He'd have defended Charles Manson if he'd been on the Republican ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 11/21/2008

Do Kristol's jaws ever hurt from flapping so hard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 11/21/2008

..so hard, I think thats why Bill loves the moose killer, she got him ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 11/22/2008

What people seem to have missed, Kristol included, is that Palin was probably the only one who would run with McCain. Because of his lack of loyalty, most Republicans can't stand McCain and wouldn't run with him. He's with them when it's to his advantage and against them when it isn't. Even a Republican stalwart like Senator Thad Cochran was appalled that McCain was the candidate and said so. My guess is that few of the Republican Senators made much of an effort to get out the vote for McCain.

Palin had nothing to lose by running with McCain. Contrary to Kristol or any of the other pundits, John McCain had no chance to win the election barring a scandal on the Democratic side. The only advantage Lieberman would have given is that they could have coined a catchy name. They could have called themselves The Turncoat Ticket.

To summarize, the Democrats like Lieberman as much as the Republicans like McCain. A McCain-Lieberman ticket would have lost even worse than McCain-Palin.

As for Kristol, I'm sure, like other conservatives, he's against affirmative action, conveniently forgetting that he got where he is only because Irving Kristol is his father.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 11/21/2008
- lobewan I'm a Fan of lobewan 13 fans permalink
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Yes, it's true that Bill Kristol is always wrong.

Yes, it's true that his bizarre "Hi, I ate all the pills in my mom's medicine cabinet!" gaze is disturbing. But, we right-thinking Americans simply can't afford to be without him. Or Rush. Or Bill O'Reilly. Or Sean Hannity.

And that's why I'm proposing the "Right Wing Lunatic Commentator Bail-Out Measure" of 2008. We may not like how we got here, but, hey, to quote a Ford exec: "The past is past."

We must provide a safety-net for their careers. We simply can't afford the risky ascent into logic, rationality, and sense that would result if we let these fellows fall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 11/21/2008
- walkaway I'm a Fan of walkaway 3 fans permalink
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I concede that we cannot let the "Big Four" fail. The entire country will start making decisions and voting in their own best interest. This will have the ripple effect of eliminating all of cable news, big pharma, the "health"care industry and the entire state of Utah. That's a lot of people out of work!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 11/21/2008
- lobewan I'm a Fan of lobewan 13 fans permalink
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Exactly right - clearly, you "get it"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 11/21/2008
- Bronx56 I'm a Fan of Bronx56 6 fans permalink

Bill should be kept around. He has been wrong so often that he qualifies as a statistical anomoly. Even a stopped watch is right twice a day. Bill can't even compete with that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 11/21/2008

Palin thought she could win the VP/President with the same tactics she did to win the Alaska Governorship: FAKE "family values" and "God". She did energize the racists and religious extremists but drove away far more realistic Republicans. Just look at the redder Appalachian states while everywhere else more red states turned to blue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 11/21/2008
- edwcorey I'm a Fan of edwcorey 18 fans permalink

He gives the lie to America being a meritocracy. How can one person be so wrong, so often, and still be regarded as a pundit--and rewarded as well? A pundit is "an expert in a particular subject or field who is frequently called on to give opinions about it to the public." In what field is this guy an expert?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 11/21/2008
- donniebnyc I'm a Fan of donniebnyc 2 fans permalink

Just as good as Palin. Joe must be so proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 11/21/2008
- FR I'm a Fan of FR 41 fans permalink

Bill Kristol: always with the gratuitous, self-serving, attention-hogging 20/20 hindsight, and even THAT is still wrong.
Open mouth, insert foot, then keep it there so you can paint those toenails a garish color.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 11/21/2008
- Puller58 I'm a Fan of Puller58 9 fans permalink

Admit he was wrong about Palin? Never. Lieberman is just a wish on Kristol's part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 11/21/2008
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