Kristol Defends Palin But Says Lieberman Would Have Been As Good

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First Posted: 11-20-08 11:12 AM   |   Updated: 12-21-08 05:12 AM

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Bill Kristol defended yet again of the choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's Vice President during a breakfast conference on Thursday. But the prominent neoconservative pundit and Weekly Standard editor did make one small concession: had John McCain tapped Sen. Joseph Lieberman for his number-two post, the results could have been just as good, if not better for the GOP ticket.

Speaking at a National Journal 2008 campaign retrospective event, Kristol argued that had the Connecticut Independent been the Republican vice presidential nominee, McCain would have lost "20 percent of the vote at the convention," staff would have "left the campaign," there would have been protests on the convention floor, and the news media would have been obsessed with the inter-party friction for a solid month.

Nevertheless, he added, "I think it could have been managed and it could have ended up net-net by the time of the election. But that is a very tough choice to make in real time..."

Kristol had, in fact, made the suggestion that McCain choose Lieberman as his VP in the period leading up to the convention. But he is best known as one of the media's most vocal Palin cheerleaders, once urging McCain to fire his entire campaign staff in part for mishandling the Alaska Governor.

During the event Kristol debated the notion -- put forward by Democratic Pollster Stan Greenberg and confirmed by most empirical data -- that Palin was a drag on the Republican ticket. He acknowledged that the governor lost McCain some votes, "mostly blue state swing voters," but added that she gave McCain "at least a shot of getting the Electoral College votes he needed in states like Ohio."

Speaking earlier, Greenberg noted that in nearly every poll he had examined the top reason for voting against McCain was his choice of Palin. He argued that another choice, like Tim Pawlenty or Mitt Romney, would have made the election closer.

"I was very nervous about this election going into the Democratic convention when they were focused on national security and safety issues. Had they kept those core ideas... through the economic crisis, they would have been much stronger," Greenberg explained. "But they gave up experience, they lost fundamental points by choosing her."

McCain's pollster, Bill McInturf, was the last to speak and took umbrage with Greenberg's analysis. Arguing that Palin brought important features to the campaign -- enthusiasm and money, primarily -- he echoed Kristol in saying there would have absolutely been a crisis on the convention floor had McCain chosen Lieberman.

"Do you want to spend three to six weeks after this convention talking about the Republican Party or moving on," McInturf said he told McCain. "My point in the room was that it would be at least three straight weeks of discussion on the Republican coalition."

All of the panelists, including Democratic strategist Ruy Teixeira, said Palin would be a major player for the Republican presidential nominee in 2012.

Bill Kristol defended yet again of the choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's Vice President during a breakfast conference on Thursday. But the prominent neoconservative pundit and Weekly Standard editor d...
Bill Kristol defended yet again of the choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's Vice President during a breakfast conference on Thursday. But the prominent neoconservative pundit and Weekly Standard editor d...
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- Indie2008 I'm a Fan of Indie2008 44 fans permalink

It's pathetic to see the "intelligentsia" of the Republican right like Kristol and Buchanan attempt to pander to the less educated base of the party by praising this vacuous narcissist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 11/20/2008
- BBackSoon I'm a Fan of BBackSoon 39 fans permalink
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How can someone be so wrong so often and still be considered relevant?

The only way to gain anything from this man is to believe the opposite of whatever his is trying to sell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 11/20/2008
- Jo Manning I'm a Fan of Jo Manning 2 fans permalink

When is the NY Times going to get rid of this moronic neocon Kristol? Past time they did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 11/20/2008

Stop commenting on Palin, Krystal and Rove; maybe the Post will get the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 11/20/2008
- kgb999 I'm a Fan of kgb999 21 fans permalink

I'm going against conventional wisdom. I don't see Palin as a serious contender in 2012. I think by then the hype will have died down and America will have little taste for a ethically challenged lightweight from Alaska.

Don't forget she's going up against big guns in the republican party. Do you think she'll withstand a proper Rovian assault nearly as well as McCain in 2000? Or even Kerry in 2004? Obama's strategy was to largely ignore her, or even say pseudo-nice things about her while taking digs at McCain. That is not what happens if she stands directly. Her skeletons are real and recent and these guys fight dirty ... against everyone. No way she'll get out of that meat grinder alive. I don't think she'll even see one primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 11/20/2008

I agree. What she faced during the campaign was nothing compared to what she would face as the standard bearer. Muthee, AIP, rape kits, per diems, troopergate, even babygate..­..it will all be front and center.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 11/20/2008

We should embrace Kristol since he consistently undermines the right-wing cause by being wrong on every issue and every prediction. Who has done more to undermine conservative "philosophy" than Kristol? It's almost as if Bill Kristol is a left-wing plot to make conservatives look stupid. Without Kristol, who would we mock? Who would remind us of the superficiality, dishonesty, and delusionary thinking of conservatives? Perhaps that's why the NY Times gives him space every week... to insert his foot decidedly into his mouth and to make a laughing stock out of reactionary intellectualism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 11/20/2008
- kgb999 I'm a Fan of kgb999 21 fans permalink

He and Limbaugh are idiotic gifts that keep on giving. If we could get them together it would be like Pinky and the Brain!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 11/20/2008
- Cyano I'm a Fan of Cyano 3 fans permalink

The real issue is the fundamental, total, complete utter lack of TALENT left in the GOP, which is why they are arguing over which loser (Palin or Lieberman) would have helped their losing candidate lose by less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 11/20/2008
- kgb999 I'm a Fan of kgb999 21 fans permalink

My favorite observation of the day!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 11/20/2008
- 395spoons I'm a Fan of 395spoons 3 fans permalink

I second that! LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 11/20/2008

What an excellent way of putting it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 11/20/2008
- kawreader I'm a Fan of kawreader 2 fans permalink

Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 11/20/2008
- SCRH I'm a Fan of SCRH permalink

Has the NYTimes let him go, yet? I heard they were not renewing his contract.
He IS really dumb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 11/20/2008
- Mayoyo I'm a Fan of Mayoyo 5 fans permalink

Why is his face so red?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 11/20/2008

it's really hot in hell

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 11/20/2008
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LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 11/20/2008
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Does he have rosacea?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 11/20/2008
- refah I'm a Fan of refah 2 fans permalink

Inflammation for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 11/20/2008

I used to mistake him for Bob Woodward all the time, until he started talking of course. Come to think of it, I did think Woodward was a conservative, until I realized I had the wires crossed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 11/20/2008

i have seen him close up recently. it is more like a tertiary gonnorhea, with a soupcon of psoriasis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 11/20/2008

World's Shortest Book by Bill Kristol:

"Brilliant Things Said by Sarah Palin On The Campaign Trail, 2008"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 11/20/2008
- refah I'm a Fan of refah 2 fans permalink

Mr. Kristol craves a triumph. I am sure he should come up with a historical character whom he, himself emulates. That is how he lives--kind of in a fantasy. The Weekly Standard is like Murdoch's own private little anti-intellectual think tank. It sure as hell is not for a profit motive. These guys get a little thrill when they think they are G-D.

Everyone deserves a voice. I believe the McCain campaign showed a shocking lack of adaptability and an unforgivable willingness to be led around by the nose. Fortunately, when a candidate for the most powerful position in the land (let's be real) makes a decision to shape his administration in such a cavalier way--it was suicide, and well it should be. What is truly of concern is the amount of the vote received for attempting to perpetuate chaos and confusion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 11/20/2008
- cgoodie I'm a Fan of cgoodie 10 fans permalink

Has anyone explored the question as to what in the heck McCain would have done for his campaign centerpiece if Obama had not given him Joe the Plumber?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 11/20/2008
- refah I'm a Fan of refah 2 fans permalink

McCain is and always has been an opportunist. I am glad Joe gave him an opportunity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 11/20/2008
- RumiSouth I'm a Fan of RumiSouth 34 fans permalink
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Bill Kristol: consistently wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 11/20/2008

Why are you still publicising this waste of space?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 11/20/2008
- one4obama I'm a Fan of one4obama 11 fans permalink

If Kristol were truly as intelligent as he believes himself to be (hey, he kept "telling" McCain what he ought to do) then why didn't HE run for POTUS?

Truly, these pundits think waaayyyyyy too much of themselves. They are ONLY pundits for a reason - that is all they are good for.

Hey, even I am qualified to be a pundit! After all, no qualifications needed to be a pundit! Just a loud mouth and a penchant for stupid remarks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 11/20/2008

You've brought to mind for me an old Dr. Pepper commercial: "I'm a pundit, you're a pundit, wouldn't you like to be a pundit too?..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 11/20/2008
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