Iraqi Shiites burn Bush effigy in anti-US protest

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HAMZA HENDAWI | November 21, 2008 05:35 PM EST | AP

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Followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burn the American flag as thousands converge at Firdous Square in central Baghdad, Iraq for a mass prayer to protest a proposed U.S.-Iraqi security pact on Friday, Nov. 21, 2008. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)

BAGHDAD — Chanting "no to America," supporters of a radical Shiite cleric burned an effigy of President George W. Bush Friday in a protest demanding parliament scuttle a U.S.-Iraqi security pact and American troops begin withdrawing from Iraq immediately.

The demonstration drew nearly 20,000 followers of Muqtada al-Sadr to Firdous Square, the same spot where U.S. Marines toppled a statue of Saddam Hussein and exultant Iraqis pummeled it with debris in what became an iconic image of the fall of Baghdad and the end of the dictator's 23-year rule.

Friday's protest was the latest display of opposition to an accord that could push Iraq into new political turmoil even though the ruling coalition appears to have enough parliamentary votes to narrowly approve the deal.

Parliament is scheduled to vote on the pact Monday, but presidential spokesman Naseer al-Ani told Iraq's Sharqiyah television that the vote might be delayed until after the Muslim feast of Eid al-Adha, which falls in early December.

"It will need more time. Perhaps until after Eid al-Adha," he told the station. The legislature is expected to go into recess this month ahead of Eid al-Adha, when scores of lawmakers travel to Saudi Arabia for the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca.

The pact establishes a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from cities by June 30 and the entire country by 2011. It places U.S. forces under tight Iraqi control and gives the Iraqis limited powers to put American soldiers and civilian Pentagon employees on trial in cases of serious crimes committed off-base and off-duty.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has said the agreement offers Iraq the only viable option to regain full sovereignty. The alternative would be to seek the renewal of a U.N. mandate that, he said, allows U.S. forces a free rein in the country. The mandate expires Dec. 31.

But none of that mattered Friday at Firdous Square, where protesters waved Iraqi flags and green Shiite banners and chanted: "No, no to the agreement of humiliation!"

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Al-Sadr, who is based in Iran, did not attend. But in a sermon read to the crowd by an aide, he criticized the government and described America as "the enemy of Islam."

"The government must know that it is the people who help it through the good and the bad times. If it throws the occupier out, all the Iraqi people will stand by it," al-Sadr said, using common rhetoric for the United States.

Organizers placed an effigy of Bush on the same pedestal where the giant Saddam statue stood before it was knocked down on April 9, 2003. A sign attached to the effigy described the pact as "shame and humiliation."

After a mass prayer, demonstrators pelted the Bush effigy with plastic water bottles and shoes. One man standing on the pedestal hit it in the face with his sandal.

The effigy fell into the crowd and protesters jumped on it before setting it ablaze as the crowd erupted with chants of "Allahu Akbar," or "God is great." Several U.S. flags were also burned.

The demonstration followed two days of raucous protests in the 275-seat parliament by al-Sadr loyalists who disrupted readings of the proposed pact by shouting and pounding their desks.

Al-Sadr's influence in Iraq has dipped compared to the days when his militiamen battled U.S. forces in Baghdad and across southern Iraq in 2004, and when they were seen as protectors of Shiites against Sunni militants at the height of the sectarian violence in 2006 and 2007.

His movement's popularity suffered with the involvement of some militiamen in protection and black market rackets, as well as general fatigue from the on-again, off-again fighting. It has retained a loyal base of support in Baghdad and the Shiite south, largely because of nationalist credentials and the perceived failure of rival Shiite parties to improve services.

Al-Ani, the presidential spokesman, acknowledged al-Sadr's group enjoys the sympathy of "not an insignificant segment" of the population.

"As long as they remain a part of the political process, they can say what they want," he said after President Jalal Talabani and representatives of several political blocs met to discuss the security pact.

If the vote were held Monday, the pact seems headed to a narrow victory in the fractious legislature, a prospect that could deepen Iraq's political divisions and deal a serious setback to reconciliation efforts.

The country's most influential Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, has indicated the agreement would only be acceptable if it passes with a big majority.

But that seems unlikely now. With all votes from parliament's main Shiite and Kurdish blocs _ the senior partners in al-Maliki's coalition _ the government can muster just over 140 seats, a few above the simple majority threshold.

Such a narrow margin would cast doubt on the pact's legitimacy and could prompt al-Sistani to speak against it. If he does, the agreement would be buried.

It is unclear how the government's Sunni Arab partners, the Iraqi Accordance Front, will vote. Its 44 lawmakers could give the government the respectable margin of victory it seeks, but leaders of the bloc are making their approval conditional on a package of reforms to give their once-dominant community a bigger say in running the country.

Al-Maliki said he was surprised by the Sunni demands and suggested they were tantamount to political blackmail.

The Sadrists, who have 30 lawmakers in parliament, are leading the camp that opposes the security deal, which includes the Shiite Fadhila party with 15 seats and a small Sunni bloc with 11 seats. There is no firm word on how the remaining 30 or so lawmakers would vote.

If the accord passes the legislature, it will go to the president and his two deputies for ratification. Each has veto power.

Senior members of al-Sadr's movement acknowledge the agreement is likely to pass, but see gains in the political storm around it.

"If the agreement passes with a small majority, it will be a defeat for those who sponsored it," said Salah al-Obeidi, al-Sadr's spokesman.

The Sadrists are looking beyond the agreement, hoping their intense opposition will translate into votes in provincial elections slated for Jan. 31 and a general election late next year.

BAGHDAD — Chanting "no to America," supporters of a radical Shiite cleric burned an effigy of President George W. Bush Friday in a protest demanding parliament scuttle a U.S.-Iraqi security pact...
BAGHDAD — Chanting "no to America," supporters of a radical Shiite cleric burned an effigy of President George W. Bush Friday in a protest demanding parliament scuttle a U.S.-Iraqi security pact...
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- flifishun I'm a Fan of flifishun 4 fans permalink

One day, Bush will look back on his Presidency and long for the days when he was still important enough to be burned in effigy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 11/21/2008
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“And a year from now, I’ll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush."

Neocon Richard Perle, 9/22/2003

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 11/21/2008

LOL, funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/21/2008
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Lame Duck Square. It's right where Mission Accomplished Boulevard meets Reality Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 11/21/2008

You know you've really F'd stuff up when the people you liberated from a dictator are burning you in effigy. In this, Bush and Reagan are very different. When the Berlin Wall fell, people who praising Reagan (even if his credit was overblown). Let that be a lesson to those who try to equate Reagan and Bush on foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 11/21/2008

"(even if his credit was overblown). "

Ah, how do you figure? Or what, it was Carter's doing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 11/21/2008
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It was primarily factors that had to do with the USSR, and had very little, if anything to do with Ronnie Raygun.

Jeez, another GOP revisionis­t....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 11/21/2008

Maybe because our Iraq was USSR's Afghanistan. Long costly wars can wreck havoc on any superpower's economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 11/21/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 267 fans permalink
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The Berlin Wall fell during the presidency of Bush 41.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/21/2008

Most americans are clueless about how Iraq was BEFORE you destroyed it. It was actually freer then and much more modern than NOW.

you bought into the lies the US govt fed you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 11/21/2008
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What are you smoking??? Ronnie Raygun liberated NO ONE, and only those drunk on GOP kool-aid can possibly think that he did--apparently there is no limits to the GOP-machine's efforts to revise history to put their criminal presidents in a positive light.

So, will you in a few years be foolish enough to think that Bush was actually a liberator of the Iraqi people? Because if you buy into Ronnie Raygun being anything other than the idiot criminal behind Iran-Contra and the champion of Free Market Fundamentalism [that has brought the financial industry down on all of us], then you're at the very least highly impressionable, if not flat out delusional.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 11/21/2008
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Reagan liberated Berlin in the same way that Palin said "thanks but no thanks on that Bridge to Nowhere." What brought down the bridge was Congress, and what brought down the wall was Soviet entanglement in Afghanistan and a declining world economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 11/21/2008
- LawrenceNC I'm a Fan of LawrenceNC 11 fans permalink

What will become of the "world's largest embassy" complex when we fully pull out of Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 11/21/2008

Same thing that happened to Camh Ran Bay in Vietnam .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 11/21/2008
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 173 fans permalink
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I can't understand why Iraqi citizens are being so hateful of Bush?

He, through his policies, killed tens, if not, hundreds, of thousands of
their citizens, wounded untold numbers and destroyed an already fragile
infrastructure while securing War Profits for his family members and cronies.

BUT, HE FREED THEM FROM A DICTATOR.

What is going on? He really needs to visit with them, himself, and straighten out
these issues. Right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 11/21/2008
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LOL, I will pay for that plane ticket!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 11/21/2008
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Absolutely, Dubbya should get right over there, get down in the street and give them a good talking to--make them understand how much we've done for them...Ime­an, you'd think they're somehow they are failing to appreciate how much better off they are now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 11/21/2008
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I could have had a V-8!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 11/21/2008
- Robert59 I'm a Fan of Robert59 10 fans permalink

Don't get me wrong. I was against the invasion of Iraq and the decision to topple Hussein; that said it strikes me as hilarious the group who benefited the most from Hussein's removal and the destruction of the Baathist power structure harbor so much dislike of Bush.

I could understand Sunnis burning Bush, but Shiites? Sadr is trying to paint himself as an Iraqi leader who appeals to a cross section of the nation. The reality is unfortunately different. He's revered by a sizable number of Shiites who owe their freedom to American and British servicemen.

Sadr should be kissing our feet. His Shiites are free to march because of American and British blood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 11/21/2008
- LexLuthier I'm a Fan of LexLuthier 7 fans permalink
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Yeah, that's right. Just because we killed a few hundred thousand in the process and destroyed their country is no reason for them to get all impatient about us leaving. Ingrates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 11/21/2008
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bush double crossed them too! Don't cha get it ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 11/21/2008
- Robert59 I'm a Fan of Robert59 10 fans permalink

Killed a few hundred thousand Shiites? Prove it. Sunnis killed tens of thousands in the years following the invasion and I have no doubt we're responsible for thousands of Iraqi dead, but hundreds of thousands?

Sadr isn't interested in freeing Iraq from the occupiers, but kicking us out before Maliki gets too strong to be driven from office.

I would find him credible if Iraqis from all faiths and ethnicities joined the Shiites in their Baghdad march, but I bet you wouldn't find any Christians, Turkomen, Arab Sunnis, or Kurds in their ranks.

Sadr is a thug.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 11/21/2008
- Robert59 I'm a Fan of Robert59 10 fans permalink

and voodoo2 provided me the numbers. Do the math, but I calculated 63,500, not the few hundred thousand you allude to.

Iraq Body Count’s research shows that 27,000 civilian deaths from violence were reported in 2006. This represents a huge increase compared to preceding years: 14,000 killed in 2005, 10,500 in 2004 and just under 12,000 in 2003 (7,000 during the actual war/invasion, and another 5,000 during the ‘peace’ that followed).

Early indications are that roughly 20,000 violent civilian deaths will be recorded for the first 9 months of 2007. By year’s end, 2007 looks to be the second-worst calendar year for violence in Iraq since the 2003 invasion,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 11/21/2008

Kissing your feet for killing thousands of Iraqis and destroying their country. You started by “do not get me wrong”, you are the one who got it wrong

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 11/21/2008
- Robert59 I'm a Fan of Robert59 10 fans permalink

Did we really destroy their country? Life was good under Saddam if you were a Baathist. Most Shiites and Kurds weren't so life sucked for them. People die in war, but I'd bet more Iraqis died under Saddam or lost their lives to Sunni Shiite tit for tat terrorism than we killed.

Iraq is a country like Yugoslovia, fiction.

Saddam's forces killed over 100,000 Shiites after the 91 war. Until we invaded the Shiites were no closer to deposing him than they were in 91. Two groups benefited from the invasion, Kurds and Shiites. If we're such bastards why aren't the Kurds burning Bush in effigy?

You are oversimplifying Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/21/2008

What you don't know is that Blackwater (aka Shiites and Sunnis) have been performing lots of the violence and blaming it on them, giving the USA an excuse to stay..

They are pure evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 11/21/2008
- timm553 I'm a Fan of timm553 6 fans permalink

"the group who benefited the most from Hussein's removal"

That would be Halliburton, Blackwater, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 11/21/2008
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 122 fans permalink
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BINGO! Thank you for saying it best!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 11/21/2008

"the group who benefited the most from Hussein's removal and the destruction of the Baathist power structure harbor so much dislike of Bush."

Welcome to the Middle East.

Sadr and his thugs take their marching orders from the lunatic theocrats in Tehran. He has no influence or free will that they don't grant him, which is why an event like this one is staged for a receptive U.S. mainstream media.

Funny, I didn't see this much attention paid to the fact that schools are open every day in Iraq, the government is functioning, Sunni terrorists like Al Qeada have been stamped out with the help of courageous U.S. and Iraqi troops and ordinary Iraqi citizens.

Then again, such reportage would make the U.S. media fair. Oh well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 11/21/2008
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Stow your liberal media BS; it's utterly absurd, and only a simpleton who listens to rightwing radio...an­d...oh, never mind....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 11/21/2008

What don't you get about the fact that they had a functioning government and schools before the invasion. It was the electricity and sewage they had to do without for YEARS, it was the fact there were no WMD, and the fact if they are burning a picture of Bush, then the whole Neocon agenda of a partnership in the Middle East is going up in smoke. The Bush Doctrine was a failure...­.........d­o you get it now? Does anybody see a surprise visit to the troops this Thanksgiving. It's the least he can do on his way out the door.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 11/21/2008
- Robert59 I'm a Fan of Robert59 10 fans permalink

I don't know if I'd go as far as you about who gives Sadr his marching orders. Both he and Maliki and every other Shiite political figure took refuge in Iran. I'd say he uses the Iranians for his own benefit. I'd also say as Maliki's hold becomes firmer Iran will invest its resources in him leaving Sadr on the bench.

Iraq has a long way to go to becoming a viable nation. I still predict civil war as the reduction in violence gave them space to do things politically, but they squandered the opportunity.

Mosul will be a tough nut to crack. Funny how AQI always seems to do best in places where the Baath party was strongest. Anbar, then Diyala and now Mosul. Those two are joined at the hip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/21/2008
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"We will, in fact, be burned in effigy."--­Dick Cheney

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 11/21/2008

....and all for the bargain price of $10 billion a month.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 11/21/2008
- DuPageDem I'm a Fan of DuPageDem 19 fans permalink

Hey, where can I buy me one of them? Iraq's economic recovery plan: Selling Bush dummies on e-Bay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 11/21/2008
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I was wondering what the foul stench in the air was??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 11/21/2008
- gfs5541 I'm a Fan of gfs5541 26 fans permalink
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I hope we leave Iraq soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 11/21/2008

Now I know what I want for Christmas: A Bush effigy that I can set ablaze. They have every right to be p*ssed at him. Hope we can as a country prove change is Here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 11/21/2008

You must be very proud of your sentiments -- that you have something in common with Shiite extremists like Al Sadr, who takes his orders from Tehran. Well done.

Why don't you just go to Iraq and grab a sandal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 11/21/2008

Dude. I'll loathe who I choose to loathe. Regardless. Pray for the dead Americans thanks to Bush boy, if you want to channel your ire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 11/21/2008
- jaschrod I'm a Fan of jaschrod 21 fans permalink

Al Sader and his people are fighting for their land, and country. Do not forget, we are the invaders into another country half way around the world in this case. We would be doing the same thing if there was another country occupying, and destroying our country. We have to start looking at the other side's views concerning this kind of occupation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 11/21/2008
- majorteddy I'm a Fan of majorteddy 7 fans permalink

He's going out of the country for an Asian tour soon. Last chance for the World Court to nab him for a War CRimes trial. You'll have top get Cheney and Rumsfeld and Feith later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 11/21/2008
- Pulemerci I'm a Fan of Pulemerci 9 fans permalink

I guess they're longing for the good old days of Saddam and his psychopathic sons. Ah, the rape rooms, the torture of olympic athletes who failed, the assasinations. Let's take a stroll down memory lane: An estimated 300,000 Iraqi citizens have vanished without a trace, many presumed dead. The U.N. Commission on Human Rights condemned the Iraqi regime in 2001 for "widespread, systematic torture and the maintaining of decrees prescribing cruel and inhuman punishment as a penalty for offenses." Torture methods have included hanging, beating, rape and burning alive. From 1977 to 1987, between 4,500 and 5,000 Kurdish villages in northern Iraq were destroyed and the population placed in "resettlement camps." As many as 50,000 Kurds died. In the spring of 1987, thousands of Kurds were killed by chemical and conventional bombs. In at least 40 cases, Gen. Ali Hasan al-Majid, "Chemical Ali," used chemical weapons to kill or chase Kurds from villages. In 1988, as many as 5,000 Kurds were killed and 10,000 injured in Halabja. During the Anfal campaign, from February to September 1988, Iraqi soldiers rounded up more than 100,000 Kurds, mostly men and boys, and executed them.

........ Goiod times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 11/21/2008

Yea but, how many Iraqis have we killed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 11/21/2008
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And that is their problem not ours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 11/21/2008

Ahhhh..... I love the middle east.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 11/21/2008

Good to see there's the occasional poster here with both a knowledge of history and the clarity of reason in his/her quiver.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 11/21/2008
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Do you think they ever figgured out where Ali got all those chemicals?
Do you realize how much OUR tax dollars contributed to those 'good times'?

What do you suppose Runny and 41 thought Saddam would do with all the impliments of death and torture we so conveniently provided him with?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 11/21/2008
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