Franken Camp: Coleman's Lead Down To Double Digits

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November 21, 2008 01:23 PM


Aides to Al Franken's campaign said on Friday that the deficit they face against Norm Coleman in their Senate recount is now less than 100 votes.

"It is fair to say that Norm Coleman's lead is now in the double digits," said Marc Elias, a lawyer for the campaign. He added, more optimistically that, "there are more Democratic areas with votes left to be counted than Republican."

The Franken math is not official. They are basing their findings both on the 51.1 percent of the state-wide recount that they have completed, but which is not reported by the Secretary of State, as well as a portion of the 800-or-so contested ballots that they believe will be easily resolved.

The dwindling margin separating the two camps, however, is making for high political drama. If Franken's numbers are to be believed, the Democratic challenger has more than halved his deficit with just over half the recount completed. The election, in short, could be decided by a single digit difference, though there is no telling if the margin will continue to close at the same pace.

All of which has upped the ante when it comes to contesting each and every vote. For the first time since the recount commenced, aides to Franken made a specific example of what they thought was a concerted effort by the Coleman campaign to frivolously challenge very specific ballots. Holding up sample ballots for members of the press, Elias noted that on ten separate occasions the Minnesota Republican had contested votes simply because the individual backed both John McCain and Al Franken.

"It must be heartbreaking that there were people who voted for John McCain and not Norm Coleman," he said. Elias went on to note that each side had likely challenged many ballots where the intent of the voter was clear. But in this instance, he added, the Coleman campaign's challenges seemed "more pattern-istic than over-exuberant."

If, in fact, the election boils down to a matter of determining the intent of a handful of voters, observers say that the campaigns could resort to court order for what would be, in effect, a second recount. In this instance, the Court would look at a much narrower batch of ballots and -- ostensibly -- have a specific set of standards for counting for whom the vote was determined.

Aides to Al Franken's campaign said on Friday that the deficit they face against Norm Coleman in their Senate recount is now less than 100 votes. "It is fair to say that Norm Coleman's lead is now in...
Aides to Al Franken's campaign said on Friday that the deficit they face against Norm Coleman in their Senate recount is now less than 100 votes. "It is fair to say that Norm Coleman's lead is now in...
 
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I loved it when that British MP George Galloway put Norm Coleman in his place during some Iraq hearings.

"Senator [Coleman], in everything I said about Iraq I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 have paid with their lives, 1,600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies."


"I have met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Donald Rumsfeld met him. The difference is that Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and to give him maps the better to target those guns."

You traduced my name around the world without ever having asked me a single question, without ever having contacted me, without ever having written to me or telephoned me, without any contact with me whatsoever and you call that justice."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 11/23/2008

Where's the latest on the recount? has anyone heard where they were after Saturdays count?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 11/23/2008
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Most counties took a recount breather Saturday, but some kept going.

By KEVIN DUCHSCHERE and LARRY OAKES, Star Tribune

Last update: November 22, 2008 - 9:47 PM

Minnesota's U.S. Senate recount didn't take time off Saturday, as tabulators and observers turned out at a handful of centers around the state to whittle the stacks of ballots.

By late Saturday, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman had bolstered his lead over DFLer Al Franken. With 68 percent of 2.9 million ballots counted, Coleman's narrow margin grew to 180 votes, a 50 percent jump on his 120-vote lead Friday. Some of that may be attributed to the increased number of Franken ballots challenged by Coleman's campaign, which removes those ballots from the count. ...

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/34937884.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 11/23/2008

What happens if they tie?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 11/22/2008
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For Democratic, progressive Minnesotans, it will hurt as much as 2000. I don't know what would happen though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 11/22/2008
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Don't ask Donovan McNabb!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 11/22/2008

lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 11/23/2008

Surely Coleman voters are of similar mentality to those who voted for Stevens , Palin, Bachman and Chambliss. Some Republicans will always be moved by rock in the head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 11/22/2008
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Maybe it's rock in the head and the heart...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 11/22/2008

We need a few politicians from Chicago to get up there and show them how to count votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 11/22/2008
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One for you, two for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 11/22/2008

I hope Al wins. It's hard for me to believe people would re-elect Coleman, who has been dishonest, instead of someone fresh, like Franken. Even if a person couldn't stomach voting democratic, then don't vote at all. But voting someone back into office who has been dishonest and unethical defies logic and common sense. People get what they deserve if Coleman happens to squeek out a win here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 11/22/2008
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Maybe Franken is of the Biden school, let it hang out, but do the "RIGHT' thing...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 11/22/2008
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There was a third party candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 11/22/2008
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So Coleman it is, then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 11/23/2008
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I like Franken but I'm not holding my breath for him. He did himself in. This should have been an easy win for him considering how unpopular Coleman is, but he threw away the election. He just couldn't restrain his big mouth and raw comedic rhetoric until after the election. Minnesota was willing to give him a chance but he wasn't disciplined enough to capitalize on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 AM on 11/22/2008
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What are you talking about?
Al ran a great campaign, he had great ads on TV and I didn't hear him use "raw comedic rhetoric"
even once. The problem is that the Strib newspaper ,WCCO , KSTP and most of big business were totally in the tank for the Republicans, A car dealership spent huge somes of money for Coleman(and now, today, they announced huge layoffs and are closing half their stores). Say good bye Heckert!
Al has shown he is more than up to the job as Senator for Minnesota.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 11/22/2008
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Buh Bye Denny! And hopefully your high-interest exploit the poor car-financing operation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 11/22/2008
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Clearly, you didn't follow the race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 11/22/2008

Go AL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 11/22/2008
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I don't live in Minnesota so I could care less who steals the most votes. But seriously folks, can someone tell me what is so hard about completing a ballot? I have seen folks come into the polls with a sample ballot completed by their party bosses showing them how to vote for the so-called right candidate as if they are not smart enough to check a box, draw a line, remember who they were told to vote for or how about just reading the instructions. That's a hard one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 11/22/2008
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ummmm loook there are NO VOTES BEING STOLEN.. THE VOTES ARE BEING COUNTED.. THEY ARE COUNTED CAREFULLY , THAT SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICANS DO NOT WANT..THEY DON'T WANT THE VOTES TO BE COUNTED.. BECAUSE IF THEY ARE.. THEY WILL LOSE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 11/22/2008
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Let's hope so for Minnesota's sake; and I'm sure that Obama would welcome getting his Xmas present early,(Big Al as his 60th Dem. Senator), and that's no joke...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 11/22/2008
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"I don't live in Minnesota so I could care less who steals the most votes"

Oh, please ~ I don't live in Minnesota, either, but I care vitally about the outcome of this Senate contest. And so should we all. Haven't you learned anything from the last 8 years - the first 6 six of them with a Repub-dominated House & Senate that gave Dubya/Cheny everything their puppetmasters wanted?

It seems to me, if there's been one semi-good thing to come out of the Bush Regime, it's the fact we've collectively woken up to the great damage the "I could less" attitude does to our body politic, our country. But I guess some people are taking a little longer to wake up, and smell the coffee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 11/22/2008
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As one who's had some vision problems lately, I can understand how
someone could fill in an 'imaginary' oval an inch to the left of the 'proper'
one. Also, there are a lot of challenged ballots where the voter had the
b*lls to put an X in the oval instead of 'completely filling it in'. The nerve
of those people!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 11/23/2008

I like Franken but most other sites (including Minnesota Secretary of State) has said that the Franken campaign has contested even more ballots than his opponent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 11/22/2008

from what I've read Colemen has contested more..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 11/22/2008
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if there is a legitimate or plausible basis for contesting a ballot, then more power to 'em....for several national elections now, the republicans have shown no hesitance to engage in outright theft of elections....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 11/22/2008
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The challenged ballots are running pretty neck-and-neck between them as far as numbers go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 11/22/2008

It just came in that Franken will take the lead once they discredit all ballots that were for Coleman because of a few lines that came outside of the bubble. This guy is unbelievable with his attempts to discredit all the votes that do not favor him. Its even worse that he is getting away with this fraud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 11/21/2008
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This recount is all going according to law. Everything is out in the open--none of it's hidden in erasable hard drives. If Al loses after the actual recount of the actual paper ballots, I'll accept it.

It's irresponsible to claim that the process is a fraud just because you don't like the numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 11/21/2008

Hey Johnny2692, listen. Everything is fair. No body said that if the lines came outside of the bubble that were intended for Coleman, they should be discarded. There were many instances where the bubble was filled for Franken and then an arrow pointed towards Coleman. Franken's camp is not commiting fraud but it is the voters who are playing this game. Unless the recount is completed and certified no one can claim a win. BTW if thins don't go your way, don't balme FRAUD. Your logic is so screwed up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 11/22/2008

Okay... which of the candidates is getting away with fraud? Maybe you haven't been paying attention to any REAL news sources but theyare BOTH disputing ballots, and it stands to reason that they are disputing only the ones that DO NOT FAVOR THEM!

Sit down.

Shut up.

Let the process work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 11/22/2008

If that does prove a problem, it's a self-correcting one...

And I wouldn't jump to a conclusion that it's a character issue -- I'm sure Coleman and Franken, in their own persons (and characters), aren't the only folks actually issuing challenges during the counting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 11/22/2008

too bad Franken alienated Randi Rhodes..............big mistake there Al.....and a big really big mistake for a 'carreerist'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 11/21/2008
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The StarTribune's live update shows Coleman leads now by only 120 votes.

Ramsey County is coming in for Franken (no surprise--St. Paul, who KNOW Coleman our former mayor only too well and kicked out Randy Kelly two years ago because he was too close to Bush).

Not much change in Coleman's favor that I can see.

A few surprises--Dakota (far-right Republican John Kline's district) is actually showing good support and some gains for Al. People are pretty fed up with Kline, though he like Bachmann, were re-elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 11/21/2008
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THE ONES WHO VOTED FOR BACHMAN ARE JUST AS DUMB AS THE ONES UP IN ALASKA WHO VOTED FOR STEVENS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 11/21/2008
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