Gates: Financial Woes No Excuse To Avoid Funding Afghanistan War

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ANNE GEARAN | November 22, 2008 07:33 AM EST | AP

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Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, left, speaks to the media during a news conference on Friday, Nov. 21, 2008, at the Annapolis Basin Conference Center in Cornwallis, Nova Scotia. Gates was in Canada to participate in meetings of NATO's International Security Assistance Force to discuss the Regional Command South in Afghanistan. Canadian Minister of National Defense Peter MacKay is at right. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Mike Dembeck

CORNWALLIS, Nova Scotia — Even in a global financial crisis, the world cannot afford to skimp on its obligations to Afghanistan, which wants to double the size of its army but will never be able to pay for it, Defense Secretary Robert Gates says.

Gates said some characterizations of backsliding in the 7-year-old Afghan war are too dire, but he said violence is up. Nations with fighting forces in Afghanistan and those without must respond, Gates said Friday after a day of strategy talks with British, Canadian and other defense ministers with troops fighting alongside Americans in Afghanistan's closely contested south.

The United States has asked Japan and NATO allies that have refused to send troops to Afghanistan to fund an estimated $17 billion doubling of the Afghan army to 134,000 soldiers over five years.

Gates has waged a nearly two-year campaign to recruit additional fighting forces from reluctant NATO allies, saying the military alliance would be weakened if some nations remained on the sidelines of the NATO fight in Afghanistan. He has seemed resigned, however, to accepting checks instead of troops from some European nations.

The global financial crisis should not let donor nations off the hook, Gates said.

"They'll have to weigh the consequences of not doing it," Gates said.

It is vastly cheaper to train and equip an Afghan soldier to fight in his own country than to send an American or other foreigner in to do the same thing, Gates said.

"There may be a period when you've got to do both. You've got to have your own forces there, but in the long term your interests in getting out are served by making a contribution to expanding the Afghan army."

Speaking to reporters aboard his plane to Washington, Gates noted that unlike oil-rich Iraq, Afghanistan will dependent on handouts for years.

"Iraqi government revenues this year will be about $70 billion," Gates said. "Afghan government revenues will be about $700 million. They will never be able to sustain this force."

At the defense meeting in Canada, Gates said he would like to send significant U.S. forces to the war in Afghanistan ahead of national elections scheduled for next year.

The additional forces would give greater security for fall elections in Afghanistan, Gates said, and he predicted that security conditions would "be under enough control to allow the elections to take place." Secure successful elections are probably the most important goal for Afghanistan next year, Gates said.

President Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan's fragile U.S.-backed leader, has said he intends to run again. Registration has begun but is spotty, and the Taliban is expected try to disrupt registration and voting.

The Bush administration has announced plans to send 3,500 additional Marines to Afghanistan before year's end and then the Army brigade of about 5,000 soldiers in January. Over the next 12-18 months, the United States hopes to add as many as three more combat brigades, plus resources such as planes and helicopters to support them.

CORNWALLIS, Nova Scotia — Even in a global financial crisis, the world cannot afford to skimp on its obligations to Afghanistan, which wants to double the size of its army but will never be able...
CORNWALLIS, Nova Scotia — Even in a global financial crisis, the world cannot afford to skimp on its obligations to Afghanistan, which wants to double the size of its army but will never be able...
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A report released yesterday shows the US spends more on defense in one year, than all 44 of the next highest spenders in their defense budgets....COMBINED. Is that a necessity, or just business?

Let's study the effects of it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kqmNTk6ls0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 11/22/2008
- piul05 I'm a Fan of piul05 58 fans permalink
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Business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 11/22/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Sure, and everyone was whining about why can't the US stop the pirates. The other countries do almost nothing to keep the world's shipping lanes open.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 11/22/2008

Ahhh.... the misguided, and prohibitively expensive notion that the US should be the world's policeman. The shipping companies are solely responsible for the security of their property. Let them hire a private firm. Right there in the yellow pages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 11/23/2008
- SinisterK9 I'm a Fan of SinisterK9 6 fans permalink
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But if you do your research, you know that we spend basically the same amount of our GDP percentage wise versus the rest of the "free nations". Read a book with some substance every now and then. You might save the few brain cells you have left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 11/22/2008

Afganistan is a giant waste of money. If we were to spend a tenth of what it costs to wage war and instead purchase food and agriculture technology for that country we would see the end of anti-American sentiment there in a year. Hungry people are dangerous people. Waging war only strengthens Al Qaeda recruitment, and makes the Bush Administration's corporate cronies like Haliburton and defense contractors richer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 11/22/2008
- zaz33 I'm a Fan of zaz33 32 fans permalink

Best on page AnthonyAfterwit - This is another war that can never be won. Insurgents don't have to win battles. They only have to live to fight another day.

Our NATO allies have read history books and know we can't win. They say it publicly and probably more so in private.

Gates speaks for the military industrial complex and the dreams of a "secure oil pipeline"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 11/22/2008
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But your ignoring the fact that such things can be broken with constant intimidation and the like, I agree that in terms of the long term planning these are the steps we need to render Al Qaeda impotent but at the same time tactically not reinforcing the forces will leave any and all efforts at assisting these individuals vulnerable and likely to be destroyed as the Taliban and Al Qaeda would realize that. A balance has to be reached between the two for the most part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 11/22/2008
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You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem. A huge amount of aid is being pumped in there, but it's limited by the Taliban-AQ insurgency. The insurgents behead teachers who teach girls, and kidnap and murder construction workers. Aid workers are executed with a shot in the head. Anyone who works at improving the situation for ordinary citizens is a target.

Out soldiers are fighting the people who are CAUSING the starvation, lack of roads/electricity, etc. Get it?

Until the security situation improves, the aid can't be implemented very well.

We just went through this with Iraq. Did you not keep up with it? Now that the country is at peace, reconstruction can take place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 11/22/2008
- mcantwell I'm a Fan of mcantwell 514 fans permalink
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Aside from BinLaden, remind me again why we are still there?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 11/22/2008
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Gates just wants to make sure we keep the military industrial nation in business. Gates must go ... sooner than later. he can't be trusted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 11/22/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Obama wants a troop increase there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 11/22/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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I have to agree with Gates..!

Afghanistan is a mess and getting much worse due to Bush and Rumsfeld totally dropping the ball and running towards the wrong end zone...

That being Iraq of course, they even ran the wrong way, on the wrong field...!

A new FUBAR world record...!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 11/22/2008

What a fool. The US spends billions of dollars for military bases that spread from The Netherlands to Japan. A foolish endeavor. Let those nations defend themselves. And here we are in Afghanistan helping to prop up a totalitarian government. What rubbish. I can understand going after bin Laden, but this is not the way to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 11/22/2008
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Hey ! Maybe we can be the first one's in history to successfully occupy Afghanistan !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 11/22/2008
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QUOTE OF THE DAY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 11/22/2008
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Rebuilding Afghanistan makes more sense than war.

Isolate bin Laden. Don't get involved in the quagmire of the Afghan-Pakistan mountains.

Are there -any- dissenting voices on Obama's "team of rivals" about THIS issue? I can't remember one. (And I wish Wesley Clark wasn't apparently persona non grata with Obama....)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 11/22/2008
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No prob Gates, pay as you go, if you don't pay, you go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 11/22/2008

I spent my late teens in a Muslim country....I was very observant and fascinated...and now more than 40 yrs. later I believe that the average westerner has a pitiful understanding of Islam and it's tumultuous history....It is simply not compatible with our social systems....and we cannot force our so called democracy on them any more than we can get them to love Jews.....even McCain's proposed 100 yr. war ....would not achieve one positive result !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 11/22/2008
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The recent conflict between Muslims and Jews is mainly political - until 1948 they lived side by side in the ME without any of the hostility we see today; in fact, most of the discrimination until then was Ch*stian in its origin. But it helps both sides to color it with religious overtones to garner support from the more observant but less politicized masses; a religious argument is a fairly simple, black and white one - a political one is complex and covered in shades of grey.

The Other will traditionally take the blame for what is, in essence, a dispute for resources, and for political hegemony. But the academic discourse that has been prevailing recently – at that is subsequently popularized in MSM - is one of "culturalization of politics", as Mahmood Mandani put it, whereby a particular group is ascribed essentialist characteristics, at the same time as the powers that shape and condition History are just ignored.

Mark R. Cohen, in "Under the Crescent and Cross: The Je*s in the Middle Ages" is another author who seeks to give a more nuanced and in depth account of the relationship between the two groups; by emphasizing the notions of cause and effect and by contextualizing the motivations behind conflicts and alliances, we see a welcome departure from “History for Dummies” and renewed respect for the audience’s intelligence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 11/22/2008

Yeah yeah, we know already.

Our financial woes do not give us an excuse for not giving greedy rich Wall street bums $700 billion of our money.
Our financial woes do not give us an excuse to refuse stupid Detroit dinosaurs their billions either.
Our financial woes will not give us an excuse to keep spending on overpriced weapons costing us billions in Afghanistan....according to Gates, who Obama will keep on.

But our financial woes do limit us severely when it comes to health care, education and job benefits.

Sadly the Republicans and Democrats agree on this insane view of financial woes and priorities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 11/22/2008
- polaris12 I'm a Fan of polaris12 16 fans permalink

If our financial woes are not good enough reason to defund the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles, it is hard to imagine what would be. It is exactly this misguided policy that has run up our national debt and put us in hock to a number of foreign countries. Can we afford to go on paying out $10 billion a month to cover this mess? Yet, we are told, approvingly by the MSM, this is the man Obama wants to keep on as Defense Secretary. I think he did a good job in defusing the worst excesses of the Bush administration, but I don't think he should stay, if Obama is truly serious about changing the course of our foreign policy. It sends entirely the wrong message, because it implies continuity with Bush, when we should make a clean break.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 11/22/2008

Funding problem?

Solution: tax rich Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 11/22/2008

Canada has already set a deadline for pulling it's troops out of Afghanistan and I suspect the other countries are going to be doing the same before long. No one can stop the 1,000 year war that has been going on in this area.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 11/22/2008
- mulegino I'm a Fan of mulegino 61 fans permalink

Afghanistan could turn out to be for Obama what Vietnam was to LBJ, except that its location in the heart of Central Asia renders any conflict in Afghanistan much riskier. That huge sucking sound you hear in the region? NATO, Pakistan, Iran, Russia, India and China all being drawn into the vortex. What emerges is anybody's guess. Now is not the time to shoot geopolitical craps with the vague pretense of a "war on terror". The window of opportunity in Afghanistan has closed for the U.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 11/22/2008

Robert Gates is a hawk and still a Bushnik . Hopefully and swiftly Gates will be ousted as soon as Obama takes office Afghanistan is and ever was and ever will be a totally ungovernable quagmire.It has been so for centuries and like Somalia , a tribally governed rouge state. The USA should not expend one more dollar there and get our troops out ASAP. If not, Obama will have an albatross around his neck for the duration of his presidency. Most Americans don't even know where Afghanistan is let alone care. Stop putting taxpayer money down a worthless money pit. The Russian lesson in Afghanistan like the French lesson in VietNam should serve as a warning to Obama: don't get involved when and where other imperialists failed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 11/22/2008
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Yes.

You would think that Obama, of all people, would hang up Santayana's quote (various versions), "Those who ignore the past are condemned to repeat it."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 11/22/2008
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