Gates: Financial Woes No Excuse To Avoid Funding Afghanistan War

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ANNE GEARAN | November 22, 2008 07:33 AM EST | AP

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Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, left, speaks to the media during a news conference on Friday, Nov. 21, 2008, at the Annapolis Basin Conference Center in Cornwallis, Nova Scotia. Gates was in Canada to participate in meetings of NATO's International Security Assistance Force to discuss the Regional Command South in Afghanistan. Canadian Minister of National Defense Peter MacKay is at right. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Mike Dembeck

CORNWALLIS, Nova Scotia — Even in a global financial crisis, the world cannot afford to skimp on its obligations to Afghanistan, which wants to double the size of its army but will never be able to pay for it, Defense Secretary Robert Gates says.

Gates said some characterizations of backsliding in the 7-year-old Afghan war are too dire, but he said violence is up. Nations with fighting forces in Afghanistan and those without must respond, Gates said Friday after a day of strategy talks with British, Canadian and other defense ministers with troops fighting alongside Americans in Afghanistan's closely contested south.

The United States has asked Japan and NATO allies that have refused to send troops to Afghanistan to fund an estimated $17 billion doubling of the Afghan army to 134,000 soldiers over five years.

Gates has waged a nearly two-year campaign to recruit additional fighting forces from reluctant NATO allies, saying the military alliance would be weakened if some nations remained on the sidelines of the NATO fight in Afghanistan. He has seemed resigned, however, to accepting checks instead of troops from some European nations.

The global financial crisis should not let donor nations off the hook, Gates said.

"They'll have to weigh the consequences of not doing it," Gates said.

It is vastly cheaper to train and equip an Afghan soldier to fight in his own country than to send an American or other foreigner in to do the same thing, Gates said.

"There may be a period when you've got to do both. You've got to have your own forces there, but in the long term your interests in getting out are served by making a contribution to expanding the Afghan army."

Speaking to reporters aboard his plane to Washington, Gates noted that unlike oil-rich Iraq, Afghanistan will dependent on handouts for years.

"Iraqi government revenues this year will be about $70 billion," Gates said. "Afghan government revenues will be about $700 million. They will never be able to sustain this force."

At the defense meeting in Canada, Gates said he would like to send significant U.S. forces to the war in Afghanistan ahead of national elections scheduled for next year.

The additional forces would give greater security for fall elections in Afghanistan, Gates said, and he predicted that security conditions would "be under enough control to allow the elections to take place." Secure successful elections are probably the most important goal for Afghanistan next year, Gates said.

President Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan's fragile U.S.-backed leader, has said he intends to run again. Registration has begun but is spotty, and the Taliban is expected try to disrupt registration and voting.

The Bush administration has announced plans to send 3,500 additional Marines to Afghanistan before year's end and then the Army brigade of about 5,000 soldiers in January. Over the next 12-18 months, the United States hopes to add as many as three more combat brigades, plus resources such as planes and helicopters to support them.

CORNWALLIS, Nova Scotia — Even in a global financial crisis, the world cannot afford to skimp on its obligations to Afghanistan, which wants to double the size of its army but will never be able...
CORNWALLIS, Nova Scotia — Even in a global financial crisis, the world cannot afford to skimp on its obligations to Afghanistan, which wants to double the size of its army but will never be able...
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My personal opinion is that throwing money at the problem is doomed to failure, and that many NATO countries have already come to that conclusion (having earlier decided that getting their sons and daughters killed over there was also a non-starte­r).There is an astounding amount of corruption within Afghanistan, through its government, its courts, and its civil agencies; and the idea that shoveling 17 billion dollars into that environment would somehow lead to success is laughable. We have seen unbelievable levels of corruption in Iraq, perpetrated by the U.S. military, by U.S. contractors, and by Iraqi government officials, with no end in sight (and that is deemed to be part of the "success" that is our project in Iraq?). Do we really want to do that again, albeit on a smaller scale? Sadly, Afghanistan is run by drug lords, war lords, and corrupt tribal leaders,, many of whom we have enabled since our arrival there. The only way for them to come on board would be to cut them in on the 17 billion; do we really want to go there?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 11/22/2008

How about spending money on peace....t­he Soviets couldn't win there and neither can we ....logist­ically the Soviets had a far superior advantage than do we...They share a border while we are trying the same failed policies from half way 'round the world, WE need a peacemonger for SOS, and we need a realist as Sec. of Defense...­.These wars with Islam must stop if we as a Nation are to survive in good standing and security !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 11/22/2008
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We have no "obligations to Afghanistan" . It was a war of choice that we can no longer afford. Russia was at war with Afghanistan for ten years in the 80's and 90's and it financially ruined her. Afghanistan will do the same to us. We don't understand their culture and they don't want to be like Americans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 11/22/2008
- mulegino I'm a Fan of mulegino 45 fans permalink

You've touched on a very important point about obligations. First, bomb to hell and invade a country that has not attacked the U.S., get rid of the regime in power and put in a puppet leader (or leaders). Then, claim that "we" can't get out "now" because "we" have an "obligation" to the (Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghanis, Somalis, Salvadorans, Sudanese, Filipino's, Panamanians, Korean's-take your pick) that "we" committed ourselves to when "we" bombed the hell out of them in the first place.
Pretend that "our" obligation is necessary to "prevail" in the war against (terrorism, drugs, militarism, Islamofacism, Communism-take your pick). First question is who is "we"? Second question, who was it who said that war was a racket?*

*2. Actually, it was Smedley Butler, Marine General and two time medal of honor recipient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 11/22/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

This country is lucky to have public servants like Brother Gates who remind us our proper priorities.

What better investment in our future than war.

And what better war to spend it on than an unwinnable one.

Some things never change no matter how audacious one is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 11/22/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

Sure, there is always a few hundred billion more around to finance wars. Mr. Gates should know that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 11/22/2008

Why not get Colin Powell at Sec. of Defense...­and assign him to pull out of these wars with as little more suffering as possible..­.I seriously believe that he would love a chance to serve America in a positive way ...now that he wouldn't have a Republican warmonger president holding a gun to his head.....C­olin Powell is a man of integrity and wisdom....­.I pray that President Obama will not keep any of these Bush Dogs on after Jan. 20......ch­ange means change ....or it's just more of the same old bad dream...I voted for Obama ....I voted for CHANGE....­and that's what I want to see....non­e of these old lying faces...no mas !!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 11/22/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Obama calls for an increase of troops in Afghanistan. Didn't you know that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 11/22/2008
- Stilts9 I'm a Fan of Stilts9 43 fans permalink
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Let's hit 'em with some shock 'n awe. Bring 'em on! How 'bout a bunker buster? Want one of those?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 11/22/2008

I would love to know the true ratio in losses of life between the numbers of innocents killed and maimed ...and the number of actual enemy fighters killed or captured .......I'l­l bet the true numbers are shocking and sickening ...to anyone with a heart....t­hese criminal wars must end...NOW.­..Let these Muslim factions work out their own difference­....Let's ponder this ...if Baptist and Catholics here in America had been slaughtering one another's women and children for centuries ...would even our own military be able to put a stop to that....I think not !....what we are trying to achieve in the middle east is unreasonable and reckless ...WE CANNOT WIN !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 11/22/2008
- Stilts9 I'm a Fan of Stilts9 43 fans permalink
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Yaaaaay! More war profits for the war profiteers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 11/22/2008
- sixx I'm a Fan of sixx 11 fans permalink
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AfghanGate, historically finance has been a big player in all wars, including wars in Afghanistan. (See, Alexander, England, Soviet Union). Obama, think again about this choice. Gates had it wrong on old Soviet Union, Iraq, and probably Afghanistan. Three strikes should be an out.

If he had said destroying al-Qaeda he would have been your man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 11/22/2008
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Obama should rethink having this man remaining on the job--he is a neo-con and we need to change all our policies on wars in the 21th century

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 11/22/2008

you know, if you're going to go around accusing everyone who disagrees with you on the war of being a 'neo-con', you should actually KNOW what neo-conservatism is.

see, i don't like neo-conservatism, so I am studied up on what it is. Gates is not a neo-conservative.

of course, it's convenient to label one's enemies something prejorative in order to marginalize them, but it's disingenuous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 11/22/2008
- sixx I'm a Fan of sixx 11 fans permalink
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Disagree completely with rockysoldier, Imperial U.S.A., and wars of aggression are PNAC tenets. PNAC is Neo-Con. Where's your argument?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 11/22/2008
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 24 fans permalink
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Your right drbrillo. Gates policies are certainly neo-con.
PNAC, American neoconservative think tank based in Washington, D.C., co-founded in early 1997 as a non-profit educational organization by William Kristol and Robert Kagan. The PNAC's stated goal is to promote American global leadership .... through militarism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 11/22/2008
- LightSword I'm a Fan of LightSword 6 fans permalink

Ah well, Obama with his speeches will convice NATO to submit more troops.
/s

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 11/22/2008
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Munther Kadhim, Baghdad resident November 9, 2006:
“Whether the Democrats or the Republicans win, America has one policy. It always has imperialistic plans that take priority. So, there is no difference: Democrats or the Republicans, America has one policy.”[E­nd]

He was right. Two successive blow-out electoral victories, and the Democratic Party still can't be distinguished from the Republican Party on foreign policy.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45289
"Joint Vision 2020, ... extends the concept laid out in Joint Vision 2010. Some things will not change. The mission of the U.S. military today and tomorrow is to fight and win the nation's wars. How DoD goes about doing this is 2020's focus.

"Full-spectrum dominance means the ability of U.S. forces, operating alone or with allies, to defeat any adversary and control any situation across the range of military operations­."[End]

http://www.alternet.org/audits/107666/this_is_change_20_hawks%2C_clintonites_and_neocons_to_watch_for_in_obama%27s_white_house/?page=entire
Although Obama brought some progressives on board early in his campaign, his foreign policy team is now dominated by the hawkish, old-guard Democrats of the 1990s.

it is critical to recall what 1990s U.S. foreign policy actually looked like. Bill Clinton's boiled down to a one-two punch from the hidden hand of the free market, backed up by the iron fist of U.S. militarism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 11/22/2008
- mulegino I'm a Fan of mulegino 45 fans permalink

There was never any cause so lost that it would fail to draw the blood of hundreds or thousands of Americans or a few hundred more billion dollars from the U.S. taxpayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 11/22/2008
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 655 fans permalink
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"The real gamble in this election is playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expecting a different result." -- Barack Obama, Dec 27, 2007 http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/2008/view.bg?articleid=1063162&srvc=next_article

it's time for some change! get rid of him and put your own people in!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/22/2008
- Stirner I'm a Fan of Stirner 20 fans permalink
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All the tough guy desk sitters at the Pentagon should try to spend a weekend in North Philadelphia if they are itching for more war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 11/22/2008
- chirps I'm a Fan of chirps 18 fans permalink

It's generally the civilians in government pitching for war, not the military. That certainly was the case when the Bush neocon's pushed hard for the War Based on a Lie. The U.S. military foresaw all kinds of potential problems down the road in Iraq that Bush and his handlers refused to consider. Remember “cakewalk”?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 11/22/2008

If true, this doesn't change the fact that some ex-military types who have never seen combat have also readily pushed for war.

One example: Dubya

Another example: Dumbsfeld

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 11/23/2008

A weekend in North Philadelphia?

You would never be able to even convince these guys to take a short, neighborhood walk in D.C.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/22/2008

Too bad American citizens (health care, labor, education, infrastructure, pensions, environment) don't have a strong advocate like Gates.

Oh wait, that's supposed to be our Senators and Representatives. I COMPLETELY FORGOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 11/22/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

I envy your financial position.

You actually have your own senator and representative.

Wow, I thought only Halliburton or Eric Prince could afford one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 11/22/2008

Yeah, Congress authorizes funds for wars but they blamed Bush, ha ha....The people are supposed to have a say in this democracy. What the heck have we become? Katrina aid victims are having to pay back for their relief, yet we give out freebies to the world? The Feds briething down their backs looking for fraud after Katrina, ATF on alert against looting. Did you notice the big jump in Republican margin around New Orleans on the maps after the election..­.Republica­ns got what they wanted. Redistricting made simple..Is it possible we watch too much TV and movies that we're so out of touch with reality. Could that be it? What is it we don't know about Congress..­Obama please tell us, and don't tell us it was Bush's cronies. There's more to this story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 11/22/2008
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