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First Posted: 11-24-08 03:44 PM   |   Updated: 12-25-08 05:12 AM

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Much of the sweeping victories enjoyed by the Democratic Party this November have been credited to three major catalysts: Barack Obama, for his campaign and fundraising efforts; the campaign committees, for their influential fifty-state-strategy; and President Bush, for producing the most opposition-friendly political climate since Richard Nixon.

These post-election acknowledgments ignore one crucial factor. In the past two years the progressive movement has built an infrastructure that, while still in its relatively nascent stages, can be tremendously influential.

Groups like Progressive Accountability, CAP Action Fund, National Security Network, Women's Voices Women's Vote, Brave New Films and others (many of them unions), went largely unheralded during the election cycle. But behind the scenes, they put in place a system that churned up opposition research, helped influence the media, charted out the electoral landscape, and was often seamless in delivering a message. In short, they beat the GOP at its own game.

And yet, weeks after their work is finished, there is uncertainty about what's next.

The Obama team has the resources to maintain its strategic advantages. The DNC is committed to continuing the 50-state-strategy even after Howard Dean's departure. But Democratic officials are still exploring ways to ensure that an infrastructure that took more than a decade to assemble remains intact.

"The Democratic Party now has, for the first time in a generation, superior infrastructure and really good research," Paul Begala, a famed strategist who often worked with these groups, told me a few weeks ago. "As a Democrat I want the party to continue to do that. And I feel very confident that they will. If you believe, as I do, that politics is about ideas, how you argue and channel those ideas matters most. It is more important than knocking on doors, because once you knock on a door and someone answers what do you tell them?"

The benefits of a stable infrastructure -- which includes outside groups, shared data, coordinated communications, and systems that harness young talent -- are painfully clear. Beyond keeping voters active, it can give the party tremendous leverage over both lawmakers and the press. A veteran of the Clinton years recalled how each day during that administration, Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson "were echoing the RNC's talking points and we were beaten to the punch."

"We didn't have a capacity to get out there on a moment's notice," he added. "We didn't have our 'own' media."

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Obama does, to a large extent, have that capacity. His email list and website reach millions of people -- many of whom are as devoted to him as to any political philosophy. But even his campaign used ideologically aligned groups as an occasional crutch. And a source close to the president-elect says he is sincerely interested in keeping that infrastructure in place.

"The Obama team is committed to sustaining this outside advocacy effort," this strategist told me.

The first question facing Democrats is how to centralize this portion of the party without a galvanizing election. Howard Dean, the departing Democratic National Committee chair, has an answer.

"Do it through here," he said of the DNC in an interview last week. "I'd like to consider this becoming a grassroots organization, not just to win elections but to win programs, to get programs passed... to push out a president's message and go door-to-door for health care reform, and for climate change."

"Campaigns are not for education," he added. "They are for winning. Afterwards, governing is for education. And there is enormous potential among the grassroots community for educating by reaching out to people."

Dean may be pushing against prevailing wisdom, which suggests that elections are about learning. But in many regards he is right. An example of when infrastructure proved remarkably effective as an "education" tool is the debate over privatizing Social Security in 2005 -- when progressive groups of all colors (labor, veterans, women's issues, etc...) punched holes in Bush's proposals with a largely coherent message. On the opposite end of the spectrum is the immigration debate, in which a lack of cohesion allowed GOP groups to derail any moderate or progressive reform proposal.

But a centralizing force for the Democratic infrastructure is only helpful if there is enough money to build it. During the presidential campaign, Obama could not legally coordinate with outside groups. But he successfully convinced the Democratic financiers to channel their money to him and few else. The draining of the swamp forced many organizations to scale back their election season ambitions.

Now, without the prevailing need to get a Democrat in the White House and with a debilitating economic crisis stifling the most politically philanthropic, there may not be enough loot to keep these outside organizations operating.

"Every group on the left and probably every group on the right will have to face the problem that we just whipped out a trillion of stock assets among the wealthy donors of the right and left. And it is quiet possible that many progressive donors will think, oh, well, our job is done," said Bob Borosage, co-director of Campaign for America's Future, in a recent phone interview.

And yet, Borosage himself adds the caveat: having been in the political wilderness for so long, the progressive id now dictates that nothing should be taken for granted. There is, he says, an understanding that all the gains made in the last few years could be lost just as quickly. A fallout and consolidation may be likely -- the White House, for starters, will hire away many of the best staffers from these outside groups. But it shouldn't be debilitating.

Sure enough, in a diary written for the Huffington Post days after the election, Gara LaMarche, a major Democratic donor, sounded the call to arms when it came to bolstering the party's infrastructure.

"To govern effectively and promote his agenda on economic security, energy, expanded health coverage, education, the restoration of civil liberties and other matters, Obama will need to keep his army mobilized," LaMarche wrote. "Doing this is as important as drafting legislation and picking cabinet secretaries."

Much of the sweeping victories enjoyed by the Democratic Party this November have been credited to three major catalysts: Barack Obama, for his campaign and fundraising efforts; the campaign committee...
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They’re still out there and they have an agenda. Please don’t’ get complacent. Be mindful of those around you and engage. They need help and we’re the only ones who will help.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 11/24/2008

Mr. Gottleib,

My distant cousins JFK and RFK were shot to death. Each year, hundreds of innocent folks die because of guns.

When you and yours decide that it it your obligation to own up for each and every death associated with a gun and you somehow, by a miracle, begin to help with crime control...

THEN I MIGHT DECIDE TO LISTEN TO YOU!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 11/24/2008

i'm not accountable for any crime with a gun......a­s i have not committed one....gun­s don't kill people....­...people do

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 11/24/2008
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How about arming bears instead? What a wacky world we live in where every unusual noise requires the cocking of a weapon as a response.

Forget the police and just give every citizen a Jack Bauer suitcase full of glocks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 11/24/2008

ok sounds good......­...don't forget the ammo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 11/24/2008
- julescator I'm a Fan of julescator 19 fans permalink

I am willing to give President Obama a chance. He faces the greatest challenges of any President in the last 3 decades. One thing about us Americans, we are not patient people. I think that is why the politicians lie to us. They don't think we can handle the trust. I think President Obama will tell us the truth - the good, bad and the ugly.

We need to believe and have patience. I think President Obama is poised to be one of our greatest presidents but he can't do it by himself. He needs us and he works for us and I don't think he will forget that. My two cents worth!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 11/24/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

They lie to us because we are stupid and believe their lies. All they want are our votes.

You say Obama lied during the campaign but we must now believe and that he will tell us the truth.

How old are you? 12?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 11/24/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 574 fans permalink
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Where in the post does it say Obama lied during the campaign?? julescator made a general statement about politicians, but with any generalization, there are exceptions, as most people understand. Most of us also understand the difference between explicit and implicit statements. julescator is obviously implying that Obama is an exception to most politicians, and that he will therefore be truthful with us during his presidency.

It's much more difficult to reach the conclusion you've reached in interpreting the post than it is to simply read what was written.

How old are YOU?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 11/24/2008
- RadCenter I'm a Fan of RadCenter 27 fans permalink

Nowhere in his/her post did julescator say that Obama lied during the campaign. Perhaps it is you who is the preteen, since your reading comprehension skills seem to be undeveloped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 11/24/2008

no obstruction is the way

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 11/24/2008

Republicans have taken it too far, setting the record for fillibusters after complaining about them.

Opposition can be pointless, like McBush teamed up against the Webb GI bill with 58 co-sponsors. And McCain missed that vote I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 11/25/2008
- bascombe I'm a Fan of bascombe 31 fans permalink
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these groups will need tyo hold Obama to his promises.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 11/24/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 282 fans permalink
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Dude we knew Obama'sd promises were a wish list.

We will be very happy to have our Constitution and Bill of Rights back.

The "Economic Mess" had to come.

Consumerism is a Lienar System and we live on a Finite Planet so Consumerism had to fail in the long run. More failures will come until we CHANGE OUR WAY OF THINING AND ACTING !

The two are not compatable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 11/24/2008
- texanna I'm a Fan of texanna 33 fans permalink

Well, I haven't heard anything about getting our Constitution and Bill of Rights back to date and he along with the rest of the House and Senate gave our right to privacy away for a long time with their FISA bill. When you find out if we're going to get our right to Habeus Corpus back, let me know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 11/24/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 401 fans permalink
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That is the MINIMUM we should expect. For crissake, who authorized ANYONE to strip our rights? That is a BASIC of our system of government. We build from there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 11/24/2008

"Finite Planet and Consumerism" wow .......hol­d on let me go toss a log on the fire......­...just an attempt to help my carbon footprint.­.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 11/24/2008
- Gasparilla I'm a Fan of Gasparilla 32 fans permalink

There is no "reform" in the immigration proposals. It's an amnesty for those here illegally. Just call it what it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 11/24/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 401 fans permalink
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Exactly, more of the same. Napolitano was against the fence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 11/24/2008

that figures

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 11/24/2008
- grizhead63 I'm a Fan of grizhead63 16 fans permalink
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Lets call it whatever we want. We need to go the amnesty route and only send any criminals back to whatever country they came from. There is no other rational, humane answer. Hispanics and Latinos will make excellent, dedicated, patriotic citizens of the USA.

Mr. President-Elect, please tear down that Wall!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 11/24/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 401 fans permalink
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As long as they are legal. This illegal nonsense has got to stop. WE are not allowed to just pick a country and camp out, get a job, public services, tax free. That's ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 11/24/2008

no anyone seeking public services of any kind, including police or court gets deported..­.then prosecute the landlord and employer..­.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 11/24/2008
- Gasparilla I'm a Fan of Gasparilla 32 fans permalink

Just don't have any border at all, correct?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 11/25/2008
- larazon I'm a Fan of larazon 19 fans permalink

Want a good piece of advice?: Do NOT alienate he progressive wing of the Party They are the back-bone that supported this Obama campaign. They are the unsung heros, they are the soldiers that did the heavy lifting, taking his message to every corner and town in America.

Obama can start his Presidency from the centre if that's what's required to bring everyone on board, but and especially if his popularity is high, he must end it on the left. This country MUST BE WEANED OFF right-wing policies that have had disastrous consequences for the country and the world.

At worst the country as a whole would end up centre to left, and that would already be a giant step in the right direction after 8 years of fas-cist rule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 11/24/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 401 fans permalink
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larazon you are so right--and the raw data from this election prove that the electorate is center-left--and that was of course largely due to the influence of the progressive movement. So to ignore it is political suicide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 11/24/2008
- larazon I'm a Fan of larazon 19 fans permalink

I meant to write: Do NOT alienate "the" progressive wing of the Party.

I'm so glad you agree. I'm afraid however the electorate is not centre-left yet, because too much brainwashing took place during the neo-con years, but if anything it proved that mind's are being sprung open, because Barack is sooooo different he awakens all kinds of hope and possibility. I just hope his political capital isn't squandered by some of his cabinet picks. I just know that if he wants to keep the Democrats alive then he must start moving the country slowly to the left and end on that note.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 11/24/2008
- grizhead63 I'm a Fan of grizhead63 16 fans permalink
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If we want to 'put the GOP to sleep with the fishes' on a permanent basis we need to get a fair and just Health Care program enacted for ALL Americans as quickly as possible. Once in place and accepted, America would never let the GOP tamper with it or take it away. It is a basic human right, not just an entitlement, and we should have had it in up and running 50 years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 11/24/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 574 fans permalink
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"This country MUST BE WEANED OFF right-wing policies that have had disastrous consequences for the country and the world."

There are essentially three wings of the Democratic Party - left, centrist and right -, and most of us (though not all) fluctuate between the three on any given issue. However, all of us who actively supported and voted for Obama are still Democrats and most of us consider ourselves progressive.

I agree with you that the right-wing policies of the Bush administration and the Republican Party have had disastrous consequences on our country and the world community, but are you suggesting that stringent left-wing policies would be any less disastrous? As many have posted previously, President-Elect Obama will not be the President of the left or the right or of Democrats or Republicans. As a Democrat himself, he will generally espouse the values and vision of our Party, but he will BE the President of ALL Americans, as the leader of our country should be. To suggest that he should be no better than Bush, but only to the far left instead of the far right, is asking for the same kind of disaster that we've lived through for the last eight years, only it would be a far-left disaster instead of a far-right one. This is not what I want of my President, and I don't think most Americans do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 11/24/2008
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 22 fans permalink

America is and always will be a liberal nation. The party of the right-wing Republican is the party of the richest 5%. Their's is the politics of theft and hoarding. Of socialism for the rich. Republican propaganda has convinced many that we're a center-right country. They lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 11/25/2008
- larazon I'm a Fan of larazon 19 fans permalink

Want a good piece of advice?: Do NOT alienate he progressive wing of the Party They are the back-bone that supported this Obama campaign. They are the unsung heros, they are the soldiers that did the heavy lifting, taking his message to every corner and town in America.

Obama can start his Presidency from the centre if that's what's required to bring everyone on board, but and especially if his popularity is high, he must end it on the left. This country MUST BE WEANED OFF right-wing policies that have had disastrous consequences for the country and the world.

At worst the country as a whole would end up centre to left, and that would already be a giant step in the right direction after 8 years of fascist rule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 11/24/2008
- larazon I'm a Fan of larazon 19 fans permalink

Sorry folks. The first time I posted the moderator didn't accept the word fas-cist and now I see it was accepted after all.

Actually, it's ironic. No one should accept that word and hopefully there will never be another FAS-CIST government like the one that's finally getting the he// out. (Had to say that!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 11/24/2008
- msmaggie I'm a Fan of msmaggie 10 fans permalink

Let's not go down the Rove/Bush path of thinking governing is the same thing as campaigning. Obama doesn't need to "keep his army mobilized" to pass key initiatives. He needs to pass key initiatives to keep his army mobilized and more importantly, to keep the electorate as a whole on his side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 11/24/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 401 fans permalink
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Naomi Klein disagrees with this sentiment mightily. She has said that the grassroots and netroots movement MUST stay mobilized, energized and engaged in order to push the Obama administration center-left or else it will move center-right.

If you want to know how others feel about it, DailyKos has just today announced a website for progressives to track and influence Congress.

http://www.congressmatters.com/

We will not be silenced and sit by while our interests which we thought were to be served are shoved aside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 11/24/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 401 fans permalink
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And, let's be clear: what we are really talking about is protecting the interests of the American working class, and not those of the corporatist globalist elite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 11/24/2008
- msmaggie I'm a Fan of msmaggie 10 fans permalink

No one is trying to silence you. But the notion that there is going to be immediate, wholesale change from center-right to center left is absurd. The process--if it is going to be successful--needs to be thoughtful. Gradual change in some areas, dramatic change in some areas, no change in other areas.

Don't forget there were quite a few people who voted for McCain. If we are going to emulate Bush and assume that the opposition is to be at best tolerated and at worst scorned and vilified, what have we accomplished?

Change doesn't mean it's just the other guy who has to change. That's why it so rarely happens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 11/25/2008
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 22 fans permalink

If Obama needs his army to mobilize to pass key initiatives we will be ready!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 11/25/2008
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This is a very good strategic move by the DNC. You just don't want Obama running the never ending campaign in the WH. He simply has too many things to accomplish quickly in office. That was a huge mistake both Clinton and Bush made because it continued to polarize people and paralyze government. Let the DNC worry about the campaigning between elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 11/24/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 574 fans permalink
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Agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 11/24/2008
- JTCan I'm a Fan of JTCan 11 fans permalink

I think people like me on his email list are just waiting patiently for his term to start and will be here when he needs us. He has made it clear he wants to keep in touch via his Youtube weekly messages and that makes us all feel a part of what he is doing. We trust him...that is how he got our support and will keep it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 11/24/2008
- Cookie100 I'm a Fan of Cookie100 58 fans permalink
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Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 11/24/2008
- Frenchy9 I'm a Fan of Frenchy9 5 fans permalink

Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 11/24/2008
- DAE I'm a Fan of DAE 13 fans permalink
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Obama should act as the Progressiv­e-in-Chief­. He can have centrist, pragmatic senior aides and cabinet officials, but he needs to employ a cadre of young, committed, progressive, true believers to implement his policies at the grass roots level. Not obnoxious ideologues but young people in their 20s and 30s to (wo)man the agencies that will transform America in a progressive direction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 11/24/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 401 fans permalink
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We need to push at the Congressional level. There are quite a few progressive candidates in there now, thanks to grassroots support. We need to keep them attuned to the progressive interests.

http://www.congressmatters.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 11/24/2008
- musselmanm I'm a Fan of musselmanm 20 fans permalink
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Well as a 58 year old monetary contributor and campaign worker and poll greeter for every day during the early vote and election day, I can say you have just told me that my work is over with.
Thanks for your great outlook, I can just keep my work and money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 11/24/2008

Musselmanm:
Do not let DAE get under your skin. I, too, am a fiftysomething contributor. The tent is big enough for all of us. And, to you, DAE: remember we need all of us we can get. The race in Minnesota is too close to call, and Georgia still has to vote again. We need to be focused outward, not inward.

Peace, brothers and sisters,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 11/24/2008
- leeman79 I'm a Fan of leeman79 6 fans permalink

Musselmanm, keep doing what you're doing. Believe me, the party needs guys like us. It's no accident that the democrats have moved to the middle, and this was not a recent strategy to secure votes. Look at the bulk of the new congressional candidates that won. Blue dog democrats. I'm not sure where this other guy is coming up with this progressive differentiation. All democrats are progressive. Otherwise, you'd be a republican. Guys like us remember the Jimmy Carter days, and the long twelve years that it took to get back into power. The party that maintains power will be the one that governs from the middle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 11/24/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 574 fans permalink
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It's clear that our country is divided, and has been made even more polarized by the Bush administration and more recently by the McCain/Palin campaign. It's also clear that the Republicans are divided, which is why they are self-imploding.

The one thing that will keep our Party focused and keep us in power is unity. Unlike the Republicans, who are very exclusive, the Democratic Party is inclusive of many different people from different backgrounds with different ideas, which lends to our vibrancy. We are young and old and in between;, we are left, right and center, but we share one thing in common, and that is our fundamental vision for our country. This is what unites us, it's what energized our support for Barack Obama, and it's what helped us to win the presidency and the congress in the 2008 election. Many older Democrats are as useful in promoting the progressive agenda as the younger ones. It's not about age, it's about vision and a willingness to do what is necessary to make that vision a reality.

United, as one Party - as diverse in our composition as we are in our ideas - is the only way we stand. Divided, we fall. We must embrace our differences as Democrats, including our differences in age, rather than to be divided by them. Otherwise, we end up like the Republicans, and that's not where I want to be or where we, as Democrats, deserve to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 11/24/2008
- rf-hawaii I'm a Fan of rf-hawaii 22 fans permalink

"he needs ..."

No he doesn't. He needs to do whatever he thinks is right. We need to wait and see. And not second guess. He's an impressive, intelligent man. If his chess game is different than yours then we'll follow his lead. Not someone elses off-hand guess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 11/25/2008
- benndissed I'm a Fan of benndissed 2 fans permalink

even tho i'm lefty ,i'll never register with dems. i voted for obama, but, clinton dems will bring his success to a standstill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 11/24/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Wanna keep the good times rollin' ?
Cement the coalition that got Barack elected; that's what FDR did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 11/24/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 401 fans permalink
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YOU KNOW IT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 11/24/2008
- Hypatia63 I'm a Fan of Hypatia63 2 fans permalink

After every presidential election, the big question posed to the winner is always the same: Do you feel like you have a mandate?"
Most respondents try to convince their listeners that somehow they won a mandate to implement their agenda. I think it is all hogwash.

There is only one mandate, and it is universal (almost). Almost everyone wants the same things from their elected leaders: honesty, hard work, intelligence, and policies that are truly in the best interests of we the people.

I think Obama gets this, and that is why I voted for him and why I think he will be an outstanding president. My hope is that this idea becomes understood by more democrats, because I believe that is how to win the hearts of voters in the long run.

(The reason I say "almost" in the statements above is that there seems to be a minority (I hope it's a minority) of people who want to jigger the government for their own personal benefit. 'Nuff said on that topic.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 11/24/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

Bush freightened the folks with his terrorists are gonna get you leit motiff ; that's how he staid in power.
Barack has a chance of reminding the folks how lousy things were when the Repugs were in power; it worked for FDR.
He never let folks forget who was their daddy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 11/24/2008
- Hypatia63 I'm a Fan of Hypatia63 2 fans permalink

The cynical view but, sadly, true. The people are easily misled.

"The sufferings which [war] entailed upon the cities were many and terrible, such as have occurred and always will occur, as long as the nature of mankind remains the same......­.Words had to change their ordinary meanings and to take those which were now given them. Reckless audacity came to be considered the courage of a loyal ally; prudent hesitation became specious cowardice; moderation was held to be a cloak for unmanliness; ability to see all sides of a question became inaptness to act on any; the advocate for extreme measures was always trustworthy, his opponent a man to be suspected.­"
--circa 428 BCE, Thucycides

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 11/24/2008
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In support of a multi-party system, I say scale back the GOP to say...Alab­ama, Mississippi and Texas (we can call it "Daughters/Sons of the Neo-Confederate Revolution) and promote the Green Party to be the Dem's opposition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 11/24/2008
- elcojonu I'm a Fan of elcojonu 28 fans permalink

The Repugs are a Southern-centric political party with some help from the sparcely populated Rocky Mountain States.
Let's keep them there; keep them out of the population centers and we'll be allright.
We don't want them to disappear, we need a punching bag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 11/24/2008
- BartLA I'm a Fan of BartLA 19 fans permalink
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That's a really good idea. It would mean the Green agenda would be fought for by the Dems and Greens and would help propel us into widespread renewable energy, more hybrid and electric cars, better environmental standards, and mean real progress in fighting global warming.

The GOP should just break into a bunch of splinter parties. The one with all the evangelicals can name Palin their queen and plow through cracks for Jesus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 11/24/2008

Since he appointed Don Vereen, a rabid enemy of medical marijuana, to head up his drug policy transition team, it looks like Obama is going to flip flop on medical marijuana -- even after it won every single county in Michigan, including the ones that went to McCain.

If Obama plans to resurrect the Clinton-era reefer madness that alienated the youth vote from Al Gore, then I think Ralph Nader should consider running again in 2012.

I will definitely vote for Nader or someone like that in 2012 if Obama's drug policy looks anything like the belief system of Don Vereen.

So anyone planning for 2012 should count on that scenario as a possible way the Democrats could lose.

We arrest over 800,000 marijuana users per year nowadays. That's a lot of voters to alienate between now and 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 11/24/2008
- LAThinker I'm a Fan of LAThinker 16 fans permalink

I also think marijuana should be legalized and might not agree with every single appointment, but voting for Nader si a waste of a good vote. Nader is also a representative of the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 11/24/2008
- JTCan I'm a Fan of JTCan 11 fans permalink

The Repubs needed to make those arrests so they could keep all those private prisons filled....­they are making a huge profit from them....an­d something like 70% of inmates are non-violent drug related crimes...(­if I remember right)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 11/24/2008
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