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BETH FOUHY and DAVID ESPO | November 24, 2008 11:52 PM EST | AP

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Pedestrians walk past a mural portrait of President-elect Barack Obama that is painted on the side of a restaurant on North Halsted St., in Chicago, Sunday, Nov. 23, 2008. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

CHICAGO — Citing an "economic crisis of historic proportions," President-elect Barack Obama urged Congress to pass a costly, job-creating stimulus bill as quickly as possible, a rare pre-inaugural call to action delivered as the outgoing Bush administration approved fresh billions to bail out one of the nation's largest banks.

Stock prices surged _ the biggest two-day percentage gain for the Dow Jones industrials in 21 years _ as investors took heart Monday from the actions and words of the incoming and departing chief executives.

"If we do not act swiftly and boldly, most experts now believe that we could lose millions of jobs next year," said Obama, 57 days shy of taking office in the shadow of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

He blended criticism of Detroit's beleaguered Big Three automakers _ General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC _ with a pledge of support for government aid to help them survive. "We can't allow the auto industry to ... vanish," he said, although he added that a blank check for an industry resistant to change was not the solution to its long-term decline.

At a news conference in which he introduced New York Federal Reserve President Timothy Geithner as his treasury secretary and named other top economic officials, Obama said restoring the economy to health took priority over deficit concerns. Still, he said he would be looking for "meaningful cuts and sacrifices" to restrain federal spending.

The president-elect was expected to stress that pledge at a second news conference on Tuesday. Democratic officials said he intended to name Peter Orszag, currently the head of the Congressional Budget Office, to be his budget director.

Obama and President George W. Bush spoke by telephone during the day, their first disclosed conversation since a visit at the White House more than a week ago, and each man appeared eager to show a transition proceeding smoothly.

At the same time, the juxtaposition of the outgoing and incoming chief executives grappling _ publicly and simultaneously _ with the economy underscored the severity of a crisis that has sent joblessness rising, caused a large spike in mortgage foreclosures and crippled the credit markets.

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Bush said his administration's dramatic overnight rescue of Citigroup Inc. was necessary to safeguard the nation's financial system and help the economy recover. He said more such moves might follow if other institutions need help. Officials said the government might invest $20 billion in the firm, and guarantee $306 billion in risky assets.

Encouraged by the action, investors sent the Dow Jones industrials up 397 points. Coupled with Friday's gain, that mean an 891 point increase over two trading days, the biggest percentage rise since October 1987.

Obama made a point of saying his administration "will honor the public commitments made by the current administration to address this crisis," words of reassurance to the financial markets.

Remarkably for a president-elect, he said he wanted Congress to act "right away" on a stimulus measure that would blend spending and tax cuts. Asked for details, he said without elaboration that he wanted a measure "of a size and scope that is necessary to get this economy back on track."

Democratic officials in Congress said the stimulus plan could include aid to cash-strapped states to provide health care to the poor, along with road and bridge funding. More money for food stamps is also likely, they said.

Obama renewed his campaign-long call for middle class tax cuts but said he would let his advisers make a recommendation on whether to roll back Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy.

He offered few details about the economic stimulus measure he wants from the new Congress, saying he would ask his new team of advisers to consult with lawmakers.

As a candidate, he supported a $175 billion measure, but the economy has worsened since then, and many lawmakers and economists argue for a more robust jolt. Obama said his goal is to create 2.5 million jobs by "rebuilding our infrastructure, our roads, our bridges, modernizing our schools and creating the clean energy infrastructure of the 21st century."

His forecast was sober. He said there are neither shortcuts nor quick fixes.

"The economy is likely to get worse before it gets better. Full recovery will not happen immediately," he said. At the same time, he coupled those sentiments with optimism. "I know we can work our way out of this crisis because we have done it before."

The new Congress comes into session on Jan. 6, two weeks before Obama takes the oath of office as the nation's 44th president.

Democratic leaders have said they are eager to spend the time before then working on the legislation he wants, and Obama had scarcely made his remarks when political jockeying broke out over the details.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., issued a challenge to Republicans to join Democrats in sending legislation to the White House as soon as possible.

House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio said he hoped the new administration would listen to those "who do not believe increasing government spending is the best way to put our economy back on track."

Nominally, Obama called the news conference to introduce the top members of the economic circle of advisers who will join his administration.

As treasury secretary he turned to Geithner as well as Former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers to head his National Economic Council.

In recent months, the 47-year-old Geithner has worked closely with the Bush administration on the bailout of the financial industry, and earlier in his career was involved in responding to international financial crises overseas.

Obama named Christina Romer, an economics professor, as chair of his Council of Economic Advisers. Melody Barnes, a former aide to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, was named director of the White House Domestic Policy Council.

The appointment of Geithner was the first Cabinet selection Obama has announced, a distinction meant to underscore the economy's importance as he prepares to take office.

Democratic officials have said previously the president-elect is on track to name former rival Hillary Rodham Clinton, the New York senator, as secretary of state, and former Clinton administration Justice Department official Eric Holder as attorney general.

Robert Gates, defense secretary during Bush's last two years in office, is a possible holdover, at least for several months, aides to Obama have said.

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David Espo reported from Washington. AP Writer Jeannine Aversa contributed from Washington.

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We need better tax credits for responsible homeowners (aka the people who actually got mortgages they could afford) to replace old HVAC, hot water heaters, insulation, etc. to improve energy efficiency. Green, creates jobs and helps the middle class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 11/24/2008

That's an excellent idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 11/24/2008
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It's ironic how people can make the cures match their own problems and leave everyone else's out.
Exclusion is already a major problem in the US. More exclusive policies will not help anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 11/24/2008
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Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 11/24/2008
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That is why centrism is the way to go. If only the far right and the far left could see that most Americans actually fall in the center, instead of bitching and moaning. But, meh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 11/25/2008
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i see that coming especially from solar power

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 11/24/2008

I think I remember Obama saying tax credits for solar power to homeowners, and buying excess energy that is made! Can you imagine actually getting a check from the electric company rather than handing them your first born?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 11/24/2008

Is 25 cents to the dollar a fair offer? I don't make the rules, I just follow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 11/24/2008
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Fax them a picture of your middle finger

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 11/24/2008
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Thomas Jefferson said:
"If the American people ever allow private banks (i.e. The Federal Reserve) to control the issue of their currency... their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

So Obama picks a Treasury Secretary who believes the "fix" for the economy is to take money from people who make an honest living actually doing things we need and give it to people who produce nothing and only exploit an irrational system to make themselves obscenely wealthy. And big surprise - Wall Street loves it!

WAKE UP PEOPLE, EDUCATE YOURSELVES ABOUT THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM OF PRIVATE BANKS THAT MANIPULATE OUR MONEY SUPPLY FOR THEIR PROFIT BY CREATING A PYRAMID SCAM OF DEBT. Don't call yourself a patriotic American if you are too lazy to spend a few hours studying the most important issue of our times (if you expect your kids to do their homework - DO YOURS!)

WATCH FOR FREE:
On Google video - find "Money as Debt" (45 min) and "The Money Masters" (3.5 hrs)
Or on YouTube: "Financial Crisis - Why All the Experts Are Wrong & A Too Good to Be True Solution" (17 min)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 11/24/2008
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WooWoo alert!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 11/24/2008

Unfortunately, I think he's right. If you read this article, it's very enlightening about the Federal Reserve. Actually, it's very disturbing.

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1095269452.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 11/24/2008
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The Federal Reserve system seems to work -- most of the time, anyway.

(After all Thomas Jefferson was not the Pope and therefore not infallible....)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 11/24/2008

I wasn't aware of the Pope's infallibility either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 11/24/2008

You left out the part about the Illuminati.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 11/24/2008
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It's true that there is a lot of tin-foil-hat conspiracy theory stuff out there about the Federal Reserve, bu consider that there are trillions of dollars of profit at stake - trillions of obscene rewards for doing, manufacturing, creating nothing for the few who run the Fed. You can bet they will try every trick in the book to discourage people doing their patriotic duty of understanding their own monetary system at a time of crisis that threatens to turn every child into an indentured servant for life to the "financial sector".

If you cant' explain what fractional reserve banking or the multiplier effect is to your children, you are no patriot. If you don't understand that the Fed has controlled the creation of new money needed to grow our economy and ONLY CREATES NEW MONEY AS DEBT, then you will never understand why more people are working more hours with better productivity / technology and there is nothing but a sea of debt out there, personal debt, the national debt up $5 trillion in 8 years, and corporations all in debt to each other.
DON'T BELIEVE ME, EDUCATE YOURSELVES, DO YOUR HOMEWORK AS A CITIZEN!
WATCH FOR FREE:
On Google video - find "Money as Debt" (45 min) and "The Money Masters" (3.5 hrs)
Or on YouTube: "Financial Crisis - Why All the Experts Are Wrong & A Too Good to Be True Solution" (17 min)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 11/24/2008

It is very interesting to read about:

"On December 23, 1913, the Federal Reserve Act, also known as the Glass-Owen Bill, was passed. The Republican controlled Senate rammed the bill through when many members of the US Congress were home for the holiday. The President, Dr. Thomas Woodrow Wilson, signed it into law one hour after being passed by the Congress! Somebody very powerful really wanted this law passed. The Federal Reserve System is an independent central bank. Although the President of the United States appoints the chairman of the Fed, and this appointment is approved by the United States Senate, the decisions of the Fed do not have to be ratified by the President, or anyone else in the executive branch of the United States government. Buried in the legislation was the granting of total power over the monetary policies of all US banks. A very curious statement is found in the original 1913 law. SEC. 30. The right to amend, alter, or repeal this Act is hereby expressly reserved. Reserved expressly to whom, or what? No definition is provided. This is the entire Section 30 statement! "Curiouser and curiouser, cried Alice".

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1095269452.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 11/24/2008
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and hoover got into the office and screwed everybody up just as bush is doing, between them two i see no differnce

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 11/24/2008
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To read about the Fed, without the unfounded constipation theories, try these two.

http://www.federalreserveeducation.org/fed101/index.htm?CFID=2078914&CFTOKEN=97665454

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 11/24/2008
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big difference form 200 years ago than today, bush had squander all of our money and he kept on borrowing and spend and continue doing it! it needs to stop NOW!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 11/24/2008
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I suppose Obama has to make nice with Bush till he's out of office so he doesn't trash the White House as he has the entire government before leaving, but it certainly is stomach-turning. Endorsing the Paulson which-supe­r-rich-fri­ends-shall­-I give-the-p­eople's-mo­ney-to-tod­ay Plan is not the Obama I hoped we'd elected. The current handling of the crisis amounts to giving super-rich executives who screwed up badly even more of our money so they can continue doing the same thing is pure insanity (per Albert Einstein) and the government is in such an insane deficit situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 11/24/2008
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And letting Citigroup collapse would have led to a complete collapse of the economy. Hmmm... difficult decision

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 11/25/2008
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One of the reasons Obama won't, and probably shouldn't, get the benefit of the doubt is because of Bush.

We all watched that mass hypnosis, or whatever it was. We don't want to repeat that madness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 11/24/2008

You must have missed the last two years.

I've seen the kind of mass hypnosis that gripped Obama supporters since Jim Jones was dispensing kool-aid in Guyanna.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 11/24/2008
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Speak for your sputtering self!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/24/2008
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Recognizing excellence and intelligence is not "mass hypnosis"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 11/24/2008
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How do you see anything with your head inserted so far up your bum?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 11/24/2008

There was no hypnosis the last two years. This is something I think is very difficult for you to understand, but we are all just excited to see someone with half a brain in the white house after Bush got through with our country. He's destroyed the middle class, and you would have put McCain in the white house? He believes the fundamentals of the economy are strong. And he voted with Bush 90% of the time. We see where Bush's decisions got our country.

So what you see as us adoring Obama is actually excitement for the future since we've had very little to be excited about for 8 years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 11/24/2008

This coming from a guy who threw himself at Sarah's feet just so that he could kiss her pumps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 11/24/2008
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I'm not one for 'blind faith'. That's why I'm a democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 11/24/2008
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Mass hypnosis? wtf+were you hypnotised. Some of us were catastrophically immobolized by the Supreme Court.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 11/24/2008
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obama is to smart for that and so is the economic team, remember bush hates doing his homework and not reading anything thats in front of him

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 11/24/2008

Unlike the mass hynosis of the Hillary shills?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 11/24/2008
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yea, no kidding, those PUMA gals are still at it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 11/24/2008
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wrong ....it was from wasilla shrilla snowbilly palin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 11/24/2008
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same old.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 11/24/2008
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See Profile I'm a Fan of radical1 permalink
I'm not a text message kind of person, just regular cell phone use, so, Please tell me, anyone, what is the meaning of LOL? Is it Lots of Luck?
__________­__________­__________­__________­__________­___
It is "laughing out loud."

Go here for all you acronym needs:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 11/24/2008
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I'll add - LOL is not cell speak. It started when AOL started Instant Messaging.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 11/24/2008
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I am not a IM person either, so when someone throws out an acronym that I don't know I go to that site. It is a lot easier than asking what it is every time one comes up. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 11/24/2008

The handout frenzy is causing me to rethink my debt. I have some citi debt I no longer want to pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 11/24/2008
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Try to get a bailout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 11/24/2008
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I have a couple of WaMu credit cards and when WaMu went belly-up and was acquired, I thought to myself, Oh, hey, that means now I don't owe anything! Yeah, right....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 11/24/2008
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I think you could all band together and simply default on your unsecured debt.

I don't really see that they have a lot of recourse is there's enough of you.

Just make your own bailout. Be creative :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/24/2008
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go for the 700 billion OH YEAH.....PFFFFT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 11/24/2008
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If America doesn't become a producer of goods again. All this will have been for naught. Period. Funny, the day after O cited the targeting of labor organizers in colombia, news vans were parked in front of JTP's house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 11/24/2008
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where is alex giannoulas?
http://taxalia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 11/24/2008
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Who cares?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/24/2008

Doesn't he play third base for the Yankees?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 11/24/2008
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Who's on first?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 11/24/2008
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Blogpimp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 11/24/2008
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Is blogpi.mping against the rules at Huffpo or is it just frowned upon? I hate it. I ask because I recall another poster saying to a poster that did it, something like 'We frown upon that here' or We discourage that here', something like that. Do posters fla.g it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 11/24/2008
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Find employment elsewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 11/24/2008
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In my basement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 11/24/2008
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To Coyote2:

"no time for sly daggers from supposed supporters."

Oh please don't start that cr.ap with me. Most everyone here knows I support Obama and quite strongly. Don't start that 'You were never really a supporter of his' stuff. It is just your way of bu.llying people into silence when they say something you don't think ought to be said, I saw it all through the primary, posters getting ro.asted for even suggesting that Obama might make a mistake. It's people like you that made other people call us a cu.lt: they saw that any criticism of Obama, even mild, would not be tolerated.

Your reply was unfair, uncalled for, and really sn.ide. Che.ap, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 11/24/2008
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I've been called everything and I've been a long time Obama supporter -- over 1 year. Volunteering.

Some folks can be very reactionary and they don't actually comprehend another's post, accurately.

C'est la vie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 11/24/2008
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I know that but I don't believe this poster didn't comprehend my post. If he or she is in doubt then he or she can read my entire profile. Especially the posts I did the night of the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 11/24/2008
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abby4ever is hard to understand at best of times. I asked her to define her accusations of Obama's policies as "ad hoc."

is she criticizing Obama for not having solid policies laid out yet? After all he has been president elect for 2 weeks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/24/2008

People do overreact to criticism at times, yes. But part of the problem is that there are also wingnut tr0lls posing as Obama supporters who try to stir sh*t up. So sometimes friendly criticism is confused with tr0llery.

But more importantly. OBAMA HASN'T DONE ANYTHING YET! I've no problem criticizing the guy if he enacts bad policy. BUT HE HASN"T DONE ANYTHING YET! Most of the "criticism" is projecting traits onto him or onto his cabinet picks without waiting to see what they actually do in office. That's not legitimate criticism. That's just petulant whining.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/24/2008
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It's what the Bush supporters did. They started out as sort of rational people. Then they...fell in love, or something, and it all went haywire.

Next thing they knew, they were passionately arguing on behalf of torture.

They're still all groggy and bewildered. "WTF was that all about?" they're thinking.

Let them serve as a warning! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 11/24/2008
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Especially given the fact that types like Coyote2 are not themselves Obama supporters. In my experience, this was (is) one of things neocon trolls liked to do -- pretend to be Obama fanatics as a way of dissing somebody with a more rational, critical perspective like yours. You have to learn to see through their crapola (as it sounds like you're doing....)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 11/24/2008
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If Coyote 2 is a tro// I didn't know it You don't actually say he or she is, I know. It just bu.rns me up when people do that. It is a form of intim.idation and I really doubt Obama would think much of it, in fact I know it would dis.gust him. Nor did I know that he or she is not an Obama supporter. I've never quite known WHAT he or she is.

Grrrrr.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 11/24/2008
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Goes to show what you know. I have a record here of solid Obama support and accurate prognostications: I told you he would win. I told you it would be a landslide. I told you Free Market Capitalism was obsolete three years before it failed. I told you oil prices would soar for years even as they keep going up up up....

I told you to sell your real estate in the fall of 2005. History has proven that Dec 2005 was peak. I told you the Army Corps of engineers was obsolete concerning Katrina, and it was proven that they indeed erred by building levees as much as 3 feet too low as the city was sinking and obsolete data from 1920 was used to calculate levee heights.

I have a proven track record of accurate prognostications. And YOU, what have you or abby ACCURATELY predicted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 11/24/2008
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I have been called everything in the book. Mostly after posting something snarky like I voted for Obama because he can hit an 3-point jump shot.

Posters need to learn to look at a person's profile before committing fratricide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/24/2008
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*an outside*

Missed a whole word there...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 11/24/2008
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Didn't you just post that '3-point jump sh.ot' thing tonight, I thought I just saw it somewhere.

Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 11/24/2008
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It's so much more fun to shoot first and look at profiles later. (Oops, sorry, guess he wasn't a troll after all....)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 11/24/2008
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Some need major maintenance on their snark-o-meters!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 11/24/2008
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I did not post that to you, but to someone else. if the shoe fits, wear it.

if I take the time, I will post an argument to support my "sly dagger" comment, but I find that you are a little too prissy for my tastes, reacting violently to the smallest slight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 11/24/2008
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Finally Coyote2, a post from you that is right on target. Good job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 11/24/2008
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The he.ll you didn't post it to me, how du.mb do you think I am? You are just trying to save face because you didn't get enough posters to back up your cha.rge. And if I am too pri.ssy for you, don't read my posts anymore. As for 'reacting vi.olently to the smallest slight', that isn't true. I do react, strongly, to bu.llshit and bullying and wind-ups.

Get lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 11/24/2008
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Ironic how the Republicans, trying oh so hard to destroy the New Deal, have helped usher the New Deal II.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 11/24/2008
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LOL, yep, since they crafted the RAW DEAL over the last 8 years.

It's called KARMA rethugs. Now go to a bar a cry over your loss along with your cryer in chief, Bohner boy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 11/24/2008
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Raw Deal??? LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 11/24/2008

Heh...very true. The anti-New Deal policies of the past 30 years have led directly to this point. We can only be thankful that they didn't get their way on Social Security, or we'd be in an even worse mess than we are now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 11/24/2008
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please list some of those anti-New Deal policies of the last 30 years and explain why they were anti-new deal

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/24/2008
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I give thanks to the spirit of Saint FDR every day....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 11/24/2008
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The Other Side OF Marx's Coin: "The RE-distribution of Debt"!

or:

The Final Looting Of America's Wealth?

Takes yer pick, suckers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 11/24/2008

Sorry. I only use two-headed coins. There is no other side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 11/24/2008
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I have a wonderful Karl Marx joke that's completely off topic. Marx's wife supposedly said to him a one point, "I wish you'd stop writing about capital and make some!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 11/24/2008

Voted for Bush didn't you? Twice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 11/24/2008

tsk tsk, another republican who has no imagination. His answer to every problem is made up of two choices. I get the feeling that when you were in school you always chose a or b on the multiple choice questions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 11/24/2008
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Home schoolers don't have tests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 11/24/2008
- benndissed I'm a Fan of benndissed 2 fans permalink

gittin the shaft from both 'sides' is getting old fast.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 11/24/2008

Yeah, and I always thought being "bi" might be fun, but I'm not liking it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 11/24/2008
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But in Marx's world the workers owned the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 11/24/2008

House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio urged Obama to make that explicit. "Why wouldn't we have the president-elect say, `I am not going to raise taxes on any American in my first two years in office?'"
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Because Obama would be crazy to fall into such an obvious Republican trap when he badly needs the flexibility to raise, lower or leave taxes where they are, depending on what happens during the next year.

Only idiots who govern based on inflexible ideology rather than pragmatism are stupid enough to make such guarantees.

Let's see, have we had a president like that recently? I think we may have, but I forget his name. Help me out here, people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 11/24/2008

Would someone please let Boehner know he is no longer relevant? I can't stand this man. I want to look him in the eye and say: "Are still talking?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 11/24/2008
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Hey, I have a great idea: Why don't we cut about $200 billion out of the "Defense" budget and close down most of the 700 US military bases around the world? Let the workers at Raytheon and other useless, bloated corporations build something useful for once with the government $$$$$$$.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 11/24/2008

That makes too much sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 11/24/2008

Too much sense for the Bush administration. But maybe not too much sense for Obama's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 11/24/2008

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

"We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."--Dwight D. Eisenhower

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 11/24/2008
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People should have listened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 11/24/2008
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That's way too reasonable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 11/24/2008
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What? You mean Predator drones AREN'T a worthwhile expenditure of our tax dollars. How could we bomb Pakistani and Afghani weddings without our Predators?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 11/24/2008
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not gonna happen with our wonderful, new, nat. sec. team, of former iraq war supporters. you see, they think its profitable to maintain a military industrial complex, as the ultimate safety net, from economic turmoil or collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 11/24/2008
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When did they tell you this?

Or did you just pull it out of your hind end?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 11/24/2008

When did Obama call you personally and tell you all this? Weird how you seem to know him so much better than everyone else!

Listening to talk radio way too much, aren't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 11/24/2008
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Palin address the economic crisis: Aww, shucks. If we just act a little mavericky along with a few attacks on the elite liberal media and regualr liberal media. We can can solve this crisis to help the "real" Americans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 11/24/2008

That and a cup of moose chili,and a nice turkey execution,crisis solved -ya betcha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 11/24/2008
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wink wink

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 11/24/2008
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don't forget the umbrella covering jobs to get more health care....i'm still amazed how katie couric ever kept straight face with that wasilla snowbilly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 11/24/2008
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snowbilly, LOL !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 11/24/2008
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Wasilla wacko.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 11/24/2008
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Also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 11/24/2008
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and

also

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 11/24/2008
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Find moose and squirrel!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 11/24/2008
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