Stock market doesn't flinch despite economic data

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JEANNINE AVERSA | November 25, 2008 05:26 PM EST | AP

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President-elect Barack Obama appears on a television screen on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Tuesday Nov. 25, 2008. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

WASHINGTON — Bad news was no news to the battered American economy Tuesday.

The government released a triple dose of discouraging data: The economy shrank over the summer even more than previously believed, and consumers reduced their spending by the largest amount in 28 years. During the same period, home prices fell to levels not seen since early 2004.

"Consumers and businesses were like deer in the headlights ... frozen," said economist Ken Mayland, president of ClearView Economics.

Most of the numbers were updates of previously released figures, and the revisions indicated that economic conditions were growing worse.

But Wall Street barely flinched and actually recorded its third straight day of gains, something that had not happened since the financial meltdown began almost 2 1/2 months ago. The Dow Jones industrials closed up 36 points, following a two-day rally in which the major indexes soared more than 11 percent.

The updated reading on the economy's performance from the Commerce Department showed the gross domestic product shrank at a 0.5 percent annual rate in the July-September quarter.

That was weaker than the 0.3 percent rate of decline first estimated a month ago, and it marked the worst showing since the economy contracted at a 1.4 percent pace in the third quarter of 2001, when terrorists attacked the U.S. and the nation was suffering through its last recession.

GDP measures the value of all goods and services produced within the U.S. and is considered the best barometer of the country's economic fitness.

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The new GDP figure matched economists' expectations, but nevertheless underscored just how quickly the economy deteriorated as the housing and credit crisis intensified. The economy logged growth of 2.8 percent in the second quarter.

White House press secretary Dana Perino called the lower GDP figure "troubling" and said $800 billion in new government efforts announced Tuesday should help spur more consumer spending by expanding the availability of loans and credit cards at cheaper rates.

Meanwhile, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said the list of banks it considers to be in trouble shot up nearly 50 percent to 171 during the third quarter _ the highest level since late 1995.

The FDIC also said that commercial banks and savings institutions suffered a 94 percent drop in third-quarter profits to $1.7 billion. Except for the fourth quarter of 2007, it was the lowest profit since the fourth quarter of 1990.

The FDIC does not reveal the institutions on its "troubled" list, but on average, about 13 percent of them end up failing.

Nine banks failed in the third quarter, reducing the FDIC's deposit insurance fund to $34.6 billion from $45.2 billion in the second quarter. Both figures are below the target minimum level set by Congress.

Twenty-two banks have failed so far this year compared with three for all of 2007, and more failures are expected.

Elsewhere, the New York-based Conference Board said its Consumer Confidence Index for November rose to 44.9, from a revised 38.8 in October. Last month's reading was the lowest since the research group started tracking the index in 1967, and Americans' views on the economy remain the gloomiest in decades as they grapple with massive layoffs, slumping home prices and dwindling retirement funds.

To revive the economy, President-elect Barack Obama says a top priority will be working with Congress to enact a massive stimulus package that he says will generate millions of new jobs.

The new, lower third-quarter GDP reading mostly reflected an even sharper cutback in spending by consumers and slower sales growth of U.S. exports.

American consumers _ the lifeblood of the economy _ slashed spending in the third quarter at a 3.7 percent pace. That was deeper than the 3.1 percent cut initially reported and marked the biggest reduction since the second quarter of 1980, when the country was in the grip of recession.

Consumers have grown nervous about spending because of job losses, declining investment portfolios and sinking home values.

Underscoring the strain, the report showed that Americans' disposable income fell at an annual rate of 9.2 percent in the third quarter, the largest quarterly drop on records dating back to 1947. The government's initial estimate had showed a record 8.7 percent decline in disposable income for the quarter.

Sales of U.S. exports grew at a 3.4 percent pace in the third quarter. That was lower than a 5.9 percent growth rate initially estimated and marked a sharp slowdown from the second quarter's blistering 12.3 percent growth rate. The deceleration reflects less demand from overseas buyers coping with their own economic problems.

Home builders slashed spending at a 17.6 percent pace, marking the 11th straight quarterly cut and fresh evidence of the depth of the housing slump.

Also Tuesday, a report on home prices and downbeat earnings results from homebuilder D.R. Horton showed further deterioration in the housing market. The Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller U.S. National Home Price Index said that home prices tumbled a record 16.6 percent during the third quarter from the same period a year ago. Prices are at levels not seen since the first quarter of 2004.

Fort Worth, Tex.-based D.R. Horton Inc. reported a nearly $800 million loss in its fiscal fourth quarter on slower home sales and more than $1 billion in charges amid a battered housing market.

To help revive the economy, the Federal Reserve is expected to lower interest rates when its meets on Dec. 16, its last session of the year. Last month, the Fed dropped its key rate to 1 percent, a level seen only once before in the last half-century.

So far, though, the Fed's rate reductions _ a $700 billion financial bailout package and a flurry of other radical actions _ have been unable to break though a dangerous credit clog, restore stability to financial markets and help the sinking economy.

The nation's unemployment rate is at 6.5 percent, a 14-year high, and is expected to climb. Employers have cut payrolls every month so far this year. The total number of unemployed in October was just over 10 million, the most in 25 years.

Given all the bad news, consumers are likely to make still more cuts, probably ensuring that the economy continues to shrink for the remainder of 2008 and into 2009.

WASHINGTON — Bad news was no news to the battered American economy Tuesday. The government released a triple dose of discouraging data: The economy shrank over the summer even more than previou...
WASHINGTON — Bad news was no news to the battered American economy Tuesday. The government released a triple dose of discouraging data: The economy shrank over the summer even more than previou...
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How do articles like this get DIGGs? Stuns me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 11/25/2008
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Hmmmm, McCain has an agenda...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 11/25/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

I think it has something to do with bran and a toi-let

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 11/25/2008
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He should get a truss for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 11/25/2008
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Leave it to the repugz to take power during a budget surplus and leave it with the economy in shambles and then have the nerve to blame the dems!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 11/25/2008

Oedipus Tex. First head of government IN HISTORY to lower taxes in a "time of war."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 11/25/2008
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Much less having a thriving war time economy. Wonder what country McCainz wants the military tanker deal 2 go 2 now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 11/25/2008

Whisperer : Projection. - Core Tenet of The Rethug Platform.


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 11/25/2008
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Definition:
Projection- the art of being a repub li can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 11/25/2008

The stock market rises when the U.S. government bails out financial institutions --so Wall Street relies on socialism for the wealthy in order to function. How ironic. . .
How about all those Wall Street pigs who made their millions at GOLDMAN SACHS and other Wall Street banks and have been in government for a few years..... we all know who they are.... they made their hundreds of millions in the house of cards that Wall Street was back in 2002, 2003, 2004...etc. They got out before the inevitable collapse. Why do they get to keep their hundreds of millions made off the backs of the investments of the middle class? Why are they not punished for their swindling ways??? In fact, Bush, the biggest criminal of them all, put the swindlers in charge of the Treasure Department... like Hank Paulson! When will Americans realize that the two party system is killing the American middle class?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 11/25/2008

"the country is almost certainly in the throes of a painful recession." ALMOST !!!!!! ALMOST!!!!!! I'm "almost" out of my mind with this.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 11/25/2008

The economy is certainly in the contraction phase of the cycle. Bad stewartship by the Cheney administration and Congress is definitely to blame. End of story.
I wonder if this website will do the same gaudy headlines on economy once O becomes the Prez.
Let me guess... hmmm... ah... NO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 11/25/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

Probably won't be necessary, since he won't be running our economy into the ground with right wing trickle down hocus pocus

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 11/25/2008
- kdublya I'm a Fan of kdublya 122 fans permalink
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At this juncture, I'm not going to split the difference with you.
Sorry, not-gonna-doit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 11/25/2008
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More rants from a PUMA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 11/25/2008
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The economy may be in such a mess that it cannot be repaired even in 8 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 11/25/2008

The stock market rises when the U.S. government bails out financial institutions --so Wall Street relies on socialism for the wealthy in order to function. How ironic. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 11/25/2008
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I will agree corprate farms should not be subsidized but if it were not for farm supports your food would be twice as high as it is today the farm supports were put in place during 1930s as a way to have food during the last depression. Some of what has caused the current recession is doing away with a lot of things that have been serving us well for the last forty years. Farm supports have served us well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 11/25/2008
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Actually, farm subsidies keep food prices high by paying farmers not to grow, which reduces supply.

And most of those subsidies go to the shareholders of Archer Daniels Midland

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 11/25/2008
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I'm especially fond of the mohair subsidy. I don't know what we would do without it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 11/25/2008
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Just as long as we don't have a software subsidy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 11/25/2008
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I wish I had mo' hair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 11/25/2008
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I read that people like scottypippen get farm subsidies, I wonder what he grows, if it were dennisrodman I wouldn't have to ask;}

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 11/25/2008
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Sarah Palin: "We got to get some mavericks up in that Commerce Department. Some "real" Americans too."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 11/25/2008
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If that plan is to make the fourth quarter much, much worse then the 3rd, that's a terrific plan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 11/25/2008

The tr0ll's rod seems to have deflated.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/axelrodsrod

Perhaps Rush can help him out

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 11/25/2008
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Tro//s look so du.mb when either (1) they start projecting their own me.ltd.own onto the poster they want to have a me.ltd.own, or (2) they are so h.ot for a me.ltd.own that they simply imagine that someone who isn't having one, is having one.

Du.mb, but understandable; after all, though they are here initially to dis.rupt, di.vide, and up.set, their ultimate goal is the me.ltd.own. I bet they even refer to it as a 'scalp'.

:]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 11/25/2008
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And not a moment too soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 11/25/2008
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Isn't Pinto supposed to be the fluffer?

Pinto! You're falling down on the job again!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 11/25/2008
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What are you talking about, boom-boom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 11/25/2008

The headlines yesterday said that the bail out of Citigroup made the stock market rise substantially. Wow!! Looks like capitalism is cheering socialism on to victory (at least socialism for the wealthy)!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 11/25/2008
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suggest no one use their credit cards on "Black Friday"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 11/25/2008
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Been cash only for almost a year now. The thieves can go broke for all I care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 11/25/2008
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I use my credit card for everything and pay it off each month. The credit card companies give me an interest free loan each month.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 11/25/2008

Have to use my Von Maur card.

Free shipping, no sales tax since they don't have a store here, 3 months interest free.

:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 11/25/2008
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Hey McCain's about to have a press conference! You know he won Missouri.

I hope they ask him how to get OBL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 11/25/2008
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I wonder if he will say that he's got Obama right where he wants him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 11/25/2008

What's the over/under on the amount of times he says "My friends" ................?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 11/25/2008
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The wisdom of mero909:

"Obama talks well, but McCain is going to rock him in the debates. Too much experience is on McCain's side."

mero909, posted Aug 29, 2008 at 11:19:15

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 11/25/2008
- ere I'm a Fan of ere 50 fans permalink

lol, what a gomer

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 11/25/2008
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McCain would be totally lost about now. I suspect he's really relieved he lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 11/25/2008
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I know I am.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 11/25/2008

Oedipus Tex, not to be outdone by the Obama press conference, addresses the nation

http://crazyopinions.com/__oneclick_uploads/2007/09/remain_calm.jpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 11/25/2008

Jetta : He claimed it was all in their minds, anyhow...


-ralph

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