Stock market doesn't flinch despite economic data

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JEANNINE AVERSA | November 25, 2008 05:26 PM EST | AP

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President-elect Barack Obama appears on a television screen on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Tuesday Nov. 25, 2008. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

WASHINGTON — Bad news was no news to the battered American economy Tuesday.

The government released a triple dose of discouraging data: The economy shrank over the summer even more than previously believed, and consumers reduced their spending by the largest amount in 28 years. During the same period, home prices fell to levels not seen since early 2004.

"Consumers and businesses were like deer in the headlights ... frozen," said economist Ken Mayland, president of ClearView Economics.

Most of the numbers were updates of previously released figures, and the revisions indicated that economic conditions were growing worse.

But Wall Street barely flinched and actually recorded its third straight day of gains, something that had not happened since the financial meltdown began almost 2 1/2 months ago. The Dow Jones industrials closed up 36 points, following a two-day rally in which the major indexes soared more than 11 percent.

The updated reading on the economy's performance from the Commerce Department showed the gross domestic product shrank at a 0.5 percent annual rate in the July-September quarter.

That was weaker than the 0.3 percent rate of decline first estimated a month ago, and it marked the worst showing since the economy contracted at a 1.4 percent pace in the third quarter of 2001, when terrorists attacked the U.S. and the nation was suffering through its last recession.

GDP measures the value of all goods and services produced within the U.S. and is considered the best barometer of the country's economic fitness.

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The new GDP figure matched economists' expectations, but nevertheless underscored just how quickly the economy deteriorated as the housing and credit crisis intensified. The economy logged growth of 2.8 percent in the second quarter.

White House press secretary Dana Perino called the lower GDP figure "troubling" and said $800 billion in new government efforts announced Tuesday should help spur more consumer spending by expanding the availability of loans and credit cards at cheaper rates.

Meanwhile, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said the list of banks it considers to be in trouble shot up nearly 50 percent to 171 during the third quarter _ the highest level since late 1995.

The FDIC also said that commercial banks and savings institutions suffered a 94 percent drop in third-quarter profits to $1.7 billion. Except for the fourth quarter of 2007, it was the lowest profit since the fourth quarter of 1990.

The FDIC does not reveal the institutions on its "troubled" list, but on average, about 13 percent of them end up failing.

Nine banks failed in the third quarter, reducing the FDIC's deposit insurance fund to $34.6 billion from $45.2 billion in the second quarter. Both figures are below the target minimum level set by Congress.

Twenty-two banks have failed so far this year compared with three for all of 2007, and more failures are expected.

Elsewhere, the New York-based Conference Board said its Consumer Confidence Index for November rose to 44.9, from a revised 38.8 in October. Last month's reading was the lowest since the research group started tracking the index in 1967, and Americans' views on the economy remain the gloomiest in decades as they grapple with massive layoffs, slumping home prices and dwindling retirement funds.

To revive the economy, President-elect Barack Obama says a top priority will be working with Congress to enact a massive stimulus package that he says will generate millions of new jobs.

The new, lower third-quarter GDP reading mostly reflected an even sharper cutback in spending by consumers and slower sales growth of U.S. exports.

American consumers _ the lifeblood of the economy _ slashed spending in the third quarter at a 3.7 percent pace. That was deeper than the 3.1 percent cut initially reported and marked the biggest reduction since the second quarter of 1980, when the country was in the grip of recession.

Consumers have grown nervous about spending because of job losses, declining investment portfolios and sinking home values.

Underscoring the strain, the report showed that Americans' disposable income fell at an annual rate of 9.2 percent in the third quarter, the largest quarterly drop on records dating back to 1947. The government's initial estimate had showed a record 8.7 percent decline in disposable income for the quarter.

Sales of U.S. exports grew at a 3.4 percent pace in the third quarter. That was lower than a 5.9 percent growth rate initially estimated and marked a sharp slowdown from the second quarter's blistering 12.3 percent growth rate. The deceleration reflects less demand from overseas buyers coping with their own economic problems.

Home builders slashed spending at a 17.6 percent pace, marking the 11th straight quarterly cut and fresh evidence of the depth of the housing slump.

Also Tuesday, a report on home prices and downbeat earnings results from homebuilder D.R. Horton showed further deterioration in the housing market. The Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller U.S. National Home Price Index said that home prices tumbled a record 16.6 percent during the third quarter from the same period a year ago. Prices are at levels not seen since the first quarter of 2004.

Fort Worth, Tex.-based D.R. Horton Inc. reported a nearly $800 million loss in its fiscal fourth quarter on slower home sales and more than $1 billion in charges amid a battered housing market.

To help revive the economy, the Federal Reserve is expected to lower interest rates when its meets on Dec. 16, its last session of the year. Last month, the Fed dropped its key rate to 1 percent, a level seen only once before in the last half-century.

So far, though, the Fed's rate reductions _ a $700 billion financial bailout package and a flurry of other radical actions _ have been unable to break though a dangerous credit clog, restore stability to financial markets and help the sinking economy.

The nation's unemployment rate is at 6.5 percent, a 14-year high, and is expected to climb. Employers have cut payrolls every month so far this year. The total number of unemployed in October was just over 10 million, the most in 25 years.

Given all the bad news, consumers are likely to make still more cuts, probably ensuring that the economy continues to shrink for the remainder of 2008 and into 2009.

WASHINGTON — Bad news was no news to the battered American economy Tuesday. The government released a triple dose of discouraging data: The economy shrank over the summer even more than previou...
WASHINGTON — Bad news was no news to the battered American economy Tuesday. The government released a triple dose of discouraging data: The economy shrank over the summer even more than previou...
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- Moshe I'm a Fan of Moshe 215 fans permalink
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Disasters don't always come from natural causes, but our Nation and the World, are in the middle of a disaster.

And putting more bail-out dollars into the walking dead zombie corporations that caused this disaster is a waste of precious resources.

It's time to cure the disease, not just continue treating the symptoms.

This disaster has been decades in the making, and while George W. lit the match, it was just a trash pile of dry tender primed to burn.

We need a Marshall plan for rebuilding the U.S.

One that focuses on building greener and more sustainable industry and infrastructure, and importantly, builds wealth in our greatest asset: Our people.

This means developing our human capital and human potential to its fullest.

We need to support educational opportunity with all the resources we can make available. Education is the answer to most of our problems.

We need a healthy population, so we need to educate the population on healthier living, eating, exercise, stress reduction, etc., and move our "health care" system from only treating the symptoms of sick people with insurance to supporting healthier living for all.

There are plenty of jobs, and more to do than we can do.

But it's time to move our time, energy, and resources away from the futile attempt to save a failed fantasy past and focused on building a better real future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 11/25/2008

Are we already forgetting about the gas prices (and food prices) problems of last summer? Gas/oil prices affected everyone at every level. Encouraging EVERYONE to cut spending, not just those that lost their job or had housing problems. Now, with the constant news about the economy, even those that are not impacted are afraid to spend. Lowered gas prices should help this economy....or is it too late?

This economy is a mess because this country has not had a leader in 8 years. What about oil prices and the price tag of two wars?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 11/25/2008
- mero909 I'm a Fan of mero909 45 fans permalink
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"This economy is a mess because this country has not had a leader in 8 years. What about oil prices and the price tag of two wars?"

Well, that's only part of the problem. This was coming long before Bush took office in 2000. Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan all had their part to play. The Bush Administration just happened to be the Administration when it all came down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 11/25/2008
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 23 fans permalink

I think there was too much cronyism and favoritism in the last 8 years. Starting with 2000 election, Enron, Iraq ($10 billion a month)...They adm stubbornly ignored the amber alerts...government overspending. Embezzlements without accountability. I think the subprime mortgages are being used as a scapegoat when actually the culprit or problem is Iraq...just an assessment/ analysis!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 11/25/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

SandraGua,

You want lowered gas prices? but you didn't like bush as president...

Obama is planning on raising taxes on oil, just an FYI so gas prices will not go do down nor help the economy.

The fact is people should have cut spending 20 years ago. You should be saving money every month and not taking on debt.

Credit Cards are evil... think they make you feel like you have money that you don't and then you borrow it for things you don't need but feel entitled to, like dinners out, a new stereo, a vacation...
If you paid for everything in cash you wouldn't have debt. Minimize debt by not having any other than your mortgage, put money in savings every month. THats how the economy gets fixed. Spend what you have, not would you feel you are entitled to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 11/25/2008
- larazon I'm a Fan of larazon 19 fans permalink

Can you believe Elizabeth Hasstle-back was b-itch-ing about the President-elect sign PEO has on the podium when he speaks and the PEO website change.gov? She was accusing him of arrogance. When is Barbara going to get rid of that neo-con talking head?

I just can't wait til he's President. She won't be able to challenge his logo then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 11/25/2008
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She's just upset because her BFF is a loser - just like she is.
Seriously - who cares what this woman thinks - she is obsolete and yet she is just trying to stay in the limelight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 11/25/2008
- WhatsLeft I'm a Fan of WhatsLeft 18 fans permalink
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On top of the terrible economic news, it will be Thanksgiving in two days. What to be thankful for? For now I am thankful we will have a new president in two months and we can have hope that things will get better. For now I am thankful my husband is still employed. For now I am thankful that we have health insurance. For now, for today, I am thankful that we have a roof over our heads and food to eat. For today, I am thankful that living in this country I know down to my soul that we will pull together and lend a hand to our neighbors in need. For today I still have hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 11/25/2008

Be thankful that Bush is leaving on Jan 20th.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 11/25/2008
- SurferKit I'm a Fan of SurferKit 179 fans permalink
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I know I am.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 11/25/2008
- mero909 I'm a Fan of mero909 45 fans permalink
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I'm not one for bashing my President no matter what party he/she is affiliated with, but a change in Presidential leadership is a welcome sight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 11/25/2008
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We have a lot to be thankful for....and you mentioned many of them.
I am so thankful that my great-grandparents came to this country to give us a chance at a better life. I'm thankful that we live in a country where this change of leadership DOES occur and despite all the crepe we've been through - we do actually have a system of checks and balances and things could probably be much much worse.
I am thankful that I have a wonderful and supportive family - husband, parents, relatives and friends. I'm thankful I am healthy and happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 11/25/2008

zippitydoo
Hi Jetta any links to how this relates to China?
If China is going to loan us a wad what will the results be?
thanks
Posted 11:51 AM on 11/25/2008

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Feds to sell $55B in bonds to pay for bailout
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published November 6 2008, 7:45 AM CST
http://redeye.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/ny-bzbond065914264nov06,0,3495370.story

They are beginning to float the bonds necessary to pay for all of this.

They are also bringing back three year notes

"The Treasury Department said yesterday it is bringing back its three-year notes, selling them monthly to help cover the increased borrowing needs, and will auction $25 billion of them on Monday."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 11/25/2008
- zippitydoo I'm a Fan of zippitydoo 19 fans permalink
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;~)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 11/25/2008
- argent1 I'm a Fan of argent1 24 fans permalink

Remember that we celebrate the Puritanical inclination to survive and prosper this week. However, the miserable original Puritans were babes lost in the woods until the aboriginals came to their rescue. When it became conveniant - the Puritans slaughtered their rescuers, brought in sub-servants and slaves - all to keep them surviving and prosperous. Such has been "the way" of economies since.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 11/25/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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We've had 28 years of Reaganomics and Republicans and sold out Democrats Demo-rats, doing all they can to destroy the middle class and working class, outsourcing jobs importing illegal cheap labor and stripping away our manufacturing, pushing down wages and now guess what Americans can't afford to live in America anymore...!

Maybe we should all start migrating to Canada and leave America to those south of us...let them try and get taxes out of them..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 11/25/2008
- GaBu I'm a Fan of GaBu 23 fans permalink
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28 years of Reaganomics, really?

So are you saying Reaganomics went on during the Clinton years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 11/25/2008
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

um, yes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 11/25/2008
- gcw I'm a Fan of gcw permalink

Sure did. What do you think the Grinbitch congress what up to?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 11/25/2008
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It's quite simple: the banks are waiting for the FED to write rebate checks to their perspective borrowers. "Take a loan, get a check!" It works out to sub-zero interest.
Nancy will then proclaim "oversight is off the table," Reid will invoke the nuclear option of removing the doors from all senate bathroom stalls, and Paulson will be found gurgling drool and blowing words in the form of bubbles.

Seriously, though, will people realize that Wallstreet and the big banks are really just Langoliers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 11/25/2008
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They eat the past?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 11/25/2008
- GaBu I'm a Fan of GaBu 23 fans permalink
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No, they're hairy with big teeth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 11/25/2008
- mdmpo I'm a Fan of mdmpo 18 fans permalink
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Wow. O's having another press conference tomorrow.

We are just not used to this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 11/25/2008
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 267 fans permalink
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He is having one right now on CNN, or at least it says 'live' in the corner of the tv screen (they have done that before but where it was really a replay).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 11/25/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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It's live, on all three networks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 11/25/2008
- mudbones I'm a Fan of mudbones 11 fans permalink

Yes unlike the current guy who has been in hiding..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 11/25/2008
- mero909 I'm a Fan of mero909 45 fans permalink
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Wouldn't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 11/25/2008
- avraamjack I'm a Fan of avraamjack 21 fans permalink
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The masters of the universe get diarrhea and the little people get caught in a poop storm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 11/25/2008
- H2O I'm a Fan of H2O 3 fans permalink

WEll we can see the banks are really nothing but a surpression tool for the People - So while there sinking why not let the go a skuttling - and the feds let the small business admin loan out the taxpayers money?
Do we the American People really care. I the Neanderthall money lender go away?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 11/25/2008
- GaBu I'm a Fan of GaBu 23 fans permalink
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"Commerce Department: Economy Worse Than Expected"

What next?

Transportation Department : What are those things flying in the air with two wings that carry people? Why weren't we told about those???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 11/25/2008
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Department of Defense: Mission so not accomplished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 11/25/2008

Give every American $1 million. That's what? $400 million? That's chump change considering what we have already doled out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 11/25/2008
- GerryS I'm a Fan of GerryS 58 fans permalink
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LOL, please check your math-------------

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 11/25/2008

305 million americans x $1,000,000 = $305 million. $305 million is %4 of the $700 billion in TARP. I don't think it's a good idea because people would instantly quit their jobs. It's merely an illustration of the kind of money we are talking about here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 11/25/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 290 fans permalink
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sigh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 11/25/2008

Dude, check your math

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 11/25/2008
- kdublya I'm a Fan of kdublya 122 fans permalink
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New math aside, inflating the money supply doesn't create demand.
Jobs do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 11/25/2008
- Bullwinkie I'm a Fan of Bullwinkie 16 fans permalink

No, but if this post is for real, we better start with our education system and work our way up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 11/25/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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I know, I have that same problem. Math, is my WORST subject.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 11/25/2008
- Keith52 I'm a Fan of Keith52 39 fans permalink
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Tedious. Are you still getting paid for this? You lost. Or didn't you get the memo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 11/25/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

I hear Dubya is playing the fiddle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 11/25/2008
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