Florida Gay Adoption Ban Ruled Unconstitutional

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CURT ANDERSON | 11/25/08 07:39 PM | AP

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MIAMI — A judge on Tuesday ruled that a strict Florida law that blocks gay people from adopting children is unconstitutional, declaring there was no legal or scientific reason for sexual orientation alone to prohibit anyone from adopting.

Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Cindy Lederman said the 31-year-old law violates equal protection rights for the children and their prospective gay parents, rejecting the state's arguments that there is "a supposed dark cloud hovering over homes of homosexuals and their children."

She noted that gay people are allowed to be foster parents in Florida. "There is no rational basis to prohibit gay parents from adopting," she wrote in a 53-page ruling.

Florida is the only state with an outright ban on gay adoption. Arkansas voters last month approved a measure similar to a law in Utah that bans any unmarried straight or gay couples from adopting or fostering children. Mississippi bans gay couples, but not single gays, from adopting.

The ruling means that Martin Gill, 47, and his male partner can adopt two brothers, ages 4 and 8, whom he has cared for as foster children since December 2004.

"I've never seen myself as less than anybody else," Gill said. "We're very grateful. Today, I've cried the first tears of joy in my life."

He said the two boys have been practicing writing their new last names, and the older one said: "That's what's going to make us a family."

Attorneys for the American Civil Liberties Union, who represent Gill, said the case was the first in the nation in which numerous experts in child psychology, social work and other fields testified that there is no science to justify a gay adoption ban.

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The state planned a swift appeal, likely setting up a battle that could reach the Florida Supreme Court. A judge in gay-friendly Key West also found the law unconstitutional in September, but that ruling has not been appealed and has limited legal reach.

The state presented experts who claimed there was a higher incidence of drug and alcohol abuse among gay couples, that they were more unstable than heterosexual unions and that the children of gay couples suffer a societal stigma.

Organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association all support permitting same-sex couples to adopt.

Lederman rejected all the state's arguments soundly.

"It is clear that sexual orientation is not a predictor of a person's ability to parent," the judge wrote. "A child in need of love, safety and stability does not first consider the sexual orientation of his parent. The exclusion causes some children to be deprived of a permanent placement with a family that is best suited to their needs."

Florida Assistant Attorney General Valerie Martin said an appeal would be filed on behalf of the state Department of Children & Families. She declined additional comment.

Neil Skene, special counsel for DCF, said the judge did an "excellent job" on the case, but the department still must enforce state law. He noted that DCF placed the foster children with Gill.

"We think this is a wonderful foster parent," Skene said.

Reaction came quickly from advocates of gay, lesbian and transgender parents who have long considered Florida's law the most draconian in the nation. Jennifer Chrisler, executive director of the Boston-based Family Equality Council, said the decision is a "long-overdue recognition of the equal ability of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people to raise happy, healthy families."

"The best interests of children should be decided by parents, families, professionals and judges, not opportunistic politicians and interest groups," Chrisler said.

John Stemberger, chairman of a successful drive earlier this month to pass a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in Florida, called the ruling "classic judicial activism" and predicted it would be reversed on appeal.

"Everywhere in the law where children are affected, the standard must always be what is in the best interest of the child," said Stemberger, an attorney in Orlando. "What is stunning to me is that when it comes to dealing with gays, that standard goes out the window. Children do better with a mother and a father."

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Associated Press Writer Bill Kaczor in Tallahassee contributed to this report.

MIAMI — A judge on Tuesday ruled that a strict Florida law that blocks gay people from adopting children is unconstitutional, declaring there was no legal or scientific reason for sexual orienta...
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- M1 I'm a Fan of M1 36 fans permalink
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Continued from above:

Although, at the Federal level, homosexuals have not been given protected class status as have racial minorities, they should be protected and the above case should control. Since Homosexuals have only been given unprotected status, the state's law needs only be rationally related to a legitimate government interest. This means that, instead of just arguing that prejudice of Gays is an insufficient basis for denying homosexuals the right to adopt children, homosexuals must disprove the assertions that Gay parenting in itself is not damaging to children and, thus, the law banning homosexuals from adopting is arbitrary and, therefore, unconstitutional. It requires lots of work and evidence from the soocial scientists who came forward with the required evidence. Amazing because that kind of work is so hard to do. Our United States Supreme Court has been indecent about not granting homosexuals protected class status and they could learn from the California Supreme Court.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 11/25/2008
- M1 I'm a Fan of M1 36 fans permalink
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In 1984 in the case of Palmore v. Sidoti, 466 U.S. 429, the United States Supreme Court overturned a State Court's decision to divest the Natural mother (a caucasian) of custody of her 3 year old daughter (a caucasian) because the mother, who had divorced the child's caucasian father, remarried a Black Man. The State Court it was in the best interest to divest the mother of custody because the child, living in an interracial household, would suffer social stigmatization as a result of the prejudice between the races which will damage the child.

The Supreme Court in overturning this decision held that question at issue is whether the reality of private biases and the possible injury they might inflict are permissible considerations for remaoval of an infant child from the Custody of its natural mother? "We have little difficulty concluding they are not."
The Constitution cannot control such prejudices but neither can it tolerate them. Private biases may be outside the reach of the law, but the law can not, directly or indirectly, give them effect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 11/25/2008

F John Stemberger, what does he know about how a child will benefit from having a mother and father or 2 dads or 2 moms. I can say I have had both. My dad was married to my mom and had me and my brother. After so many years my dad decided to finally come out and he has been with his husband now for over 10 yrs and I am still normal. If you have ever scene a child or children with their Gay or Lez parents you will see a lot of them are normal everyday kid(s). As an example, Rosie O'Donnel and her Wife, they have how many kids and they all are normal everyday kids. So until John Stemberger can show other wise he can go F himself. Never mind all these Organizations (American Academy of Pediatrics, American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association) all say no child is going to benefit any different with 2 dads or 2 moms than they would if they had 1 of each. Let the Gays, Lez's, Bi's, and Trans adopt a child or children so that we can start taking care of our homeless here!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 11/25/2008

. . . hoping the Florida Supreme Court doesn't reverse this one

Good news for the kids!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 11/25/2008
- ElBruce I'm a Fan of ElBruce 19 fans permalink
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"The state presented experts who claimed there was a higher incidence of drug and alcohol abuse among gay couples, that they were more unstable than heterosexual unions and that the children of gay couples suffer a societal stigma."

1. "higher incidence of drug and alcohol abuse" - Members of a defined class can't be legally penalized for the statistical behaviors of that class. Left-handed people might have more auto accidents overall, but that doesn't mean that driver's licenses should be denied to any specific left-handed person, who might be a very good driver.

2. "they were more unstable than heterosexual unions" - That's because they can't get married. Also, see response #1.

3. "gay couples suffer a societal stigma" - If allowed, this argument could be used as justification for the reinstatement of Jim Crow. The role of the courts is specifically to protect minority classes against loss of rights due to societal stigma, not to support it.

Done, done and done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 11/25/2008
- jamie461 I'm a Fan of jamie461 22 fans permalink

This is really happy news -- for parents and children. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 11/25/2008
- gaydm I'm a Fan of gaydm 8 fans permalink
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The "parts" of the parents are only needed for about 15 minutes for the male, and 9 months for the female.

After the birth of the child the "parts" of the parents are moot.

Once the child is born, the only part needed becomes the brain/s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 11/25/2008
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Really, is it not a fact that children learn to model their gender roles from their parents?
Just because it feels right for you doesn't mean it's right for children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 11/25/2008
- gaydm I'm a Fan of gaydm 8 fans permalink
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Gay people can teach gender roles just as well, or just as bad as heterosexuals. You tilt at windmills with your argument. Read what the REAL experts say about who can raise a child.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 11/25/2008
- Lisa-G I'm a Fan of Lisa-G 4 fans permalink

Well, according to your argument, then heterosexual people should be deemed unfit to parent their gay children..­.oh wait...y'a­ll deem yourselves unfit to parent your gay children by kicking them out of the house and making them homeless!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 11/25/2008
- SneathLane I'm a Fan of SneathLane 3 fans permalink

No, actually, children model their gender roles from many sources, and have genetic propensities towards gender-specific behaviors too.

I've known quite a few effeminate heterosexual men in my life - by your logic, those straight men should be barred from having children.

The point of this ruling is that children who would not have had parents under this disgraceful law will now have parents. The rights of these kids have trumped false claims like yours, at last.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 11/25/2008
- Papago12 I'm a Fan of Papago12 2 fans permalink

That southern command of the facts....a­s usual way off base

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 11/25/2008
- tabaqui I'm a Fan of tabaqui 4 fans permalink
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No.

I hate makeup, hair stuff, blah blah. Don't use it, don't mess with it, am not a 'girly girl'. My daughter? Is. Where did she learn this? Not from me! Not from her grandmother or aunts, either. She just...is.

The gender of the parents means very, very little.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 11/25/2008
- CR46 I'm a Fan of CR46 242 fans permalink

Great news for the children waiting for people to adopt them!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 11/25/2008
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What an ugly photo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 11/25/2008
- Eric8869 I'm a Fan of Eric8869 25 fans permalink

Not as ugly as your homophobia

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 11/25/2008
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sorry! If I offended any sodomite here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 11/25/2008
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 77 fans permalink
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what do you think, are schools going to have start making the curriculum more gay to accomodate parents' preferred sexual orientation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 11/25/2008
- Topfeeder I'm a Fan of Topfeeder 35 fans permalink

Did you receive instruction in your school on your parents bedroom practices? Yeah, me neither.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 11/25/2008
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 77 fans permalink
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good. sexual status of parents has not been something public school curricula has had to explicitly address. however, if you have children who have gay parents and homelife, and they are being exposed to a predominantly heterosexual "hidden" curriculum, it simply stands to reason that they will feel alienated.­.. so the question is should the sexual orientation of parents be considered when thinking about the content of public school curricula?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 11/26/2008
- Herders4Me I'm a Fan of Herders4Me 5 fans permalink

When exactly did you *decide* you preferred being heterosexual?

Was it because your school curriculum said so?

Being straight or GLBT is NOT a choice. Not for you, not for anyone else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 11/25/2008
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If he thinks its a choice, he must be bi-sexual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 11/25/2008
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 77 fans permalink
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but that's not even the issue... it's a choice / preferrence to assert minority status and seek changes in public policy... the term "sexual orientation" is a category that has gained traction as a suspect class... it's a bit different from say race, gender, disability in that those are immutable categories based on physical difference­... strictly speaking, sexual orientation is a behavior not a physical quality... in any case, my question was looking forward to how we deal with children whose parents who choose to assert their sexual orientation as a matter of their identity and the adopted child's home life... so the question stands...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 11/26/2008
- jamie461 I'm a Fan of jamie461 22 fans permalink

"More gay?" "Preferred sexual orientation?"

Unbelievable that this astounding level of ignorance still exists in the 21st century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 11/25/2008
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From a guy named "vinny" . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 11/25/2008
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 77 fans permalink
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you are sensitive.­.. however, if you can get over yourself, and think about the question in philosophical and political terms, we might actually have a meaningful discussion­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/26/2008
- LarBear I'm a Fan of LarBear 30 fans permalink
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Just a WILD GUESS.... Those children in Foster Homes and those needing Adoption probably .... Hmmmm, guessing here, 98% or better came from Heterosexuals??? So much for the Mythology of Heterosexual, Christians and Traditional Marriages equating to Ideal relationsh­ips... Common sense says, that's just NOT so...

The greatest source of FEAR in the USA is from Christian'­s... The greatest source of FEAR in the WORLD is from Organized Religion..­. FEAR is used to control the Flock's and turn People into SHEEPLE... The Fanatical just simply are MORE FEAR DRIVEN... The more Fervent the Worshipper, the greater the Fear...

Please, if you can't get beyond, or deal with your FEAR, at least do not attempt to Legislate that Fear in the Form of Controling others...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 11/25/2008
- jamie461 I'm a Fan of jamie461 22 fans permalink

I said this in response to another post -- the people who are fighting against gay rights are not really Christians. True Christians would not do or say what they do. And their numbers will continue to shrink. Better days are ahead for all of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 11/25/2008
- johnnyjust I'm a Fan of johnnyjust 6 fans permalink

As much expert as you must be about Christianity, Jesus said all you need to know about marriage, homosexual marriage, divorce and even evolution in Matthew 19.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 11/25/2008

A big contributor to getting this UN-Constitutional nonsense out into the public eye was Rosie OD! People need to get over their crappy prejudices! Children WANT and NEED loving homes and just because some freak out because “oh the adoptive parents have the same parts” is no reason to punish children from being raised in a loving home! Thank you Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Cindy Lederman!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 11/25/2008
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OK, this is what makes me REALLY mad. First they say gay/lesbian couples cannot marry, then they say, and I quote from the above story "...the children of gay couples suffer a societal stigma."

Well, DUH! If you make someone a political football and denigrate their relationships, it only stands to reason that there is a societal stigma. This is dangerously close to the kid who killed his parents then pleaded for lenience because he was an orphan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 11/25/2008
- M1 I'm a Fan of M1 36 fans permalink
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Yea, the bigots create a dark cloud over Gay households and then they ask the Courts to deny Gay couples the ability to adopt because a dark cloud exists over Gay households­.....WTF?

Not only does this seem arbitrary.­....it is also crazy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 11/25/2008
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I wish it were arbitrary but it isn't. It's focused like a laser on gay and lesbian individuals because we are the only group for whom some folks consider it OK to discriminate against. The people doing this live such miserable lives that the only joy they get is by denying others their own joy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 11/26/2008
- cactusgal I'm a Fan of cactusgal 109 fans permalink

Too bad a loving, sane gay couple didn't adopt Andrea Yates' little children before God told her to drown them in the bathtub.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 11/25/2008
- Jimmyboyo I'm a Fan of Jimmyboyo 19 fans permalink

great point

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 11/25/2008

Go Florida! Firs you vote for Obama and now this??!! I just may have to pay Mickey and Minnie a visit soon!

It's amazing what can happen when the Bushes are out of power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 11/25/2008
- Topfeeder I'm a Fan of Topfeeder 35 fans permalink

I know. For the 1st time in my adult life I am proud of my state. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 11/25/2008
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