Report: Clinton Camp Fabricated Initial Obama "Offer"

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First Posted: 11-25-08 05:48 PM   |   Updated: 12-26-08 05:12 AM

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In the New York Review of Books, Elizabeth Drew sheds some more light on the behind-the-scenes wrangling between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama over the Secretary of State post:

Obama's meetings with Hillary Clinton and John McCain about playing important roles in his presidency indicated his imagination and his shrewdness, although sources close to Obama say he did not offer her the job of secretary of state when they met. He had said during the campaign that he wanted various views in his government, and in turning to his own former competitors, Obama was at the same time magnanimous and seeking to keep them close. Both were in a position to cause him difficulty in the Senate--Clinton, in particular, had kept her constituency intact (through HillPAC) and was planning her own Senate agenda, including her own health care program, no matter what Obama proposed. But Clinton lacks the seniority, and therefore a committee position from which to get her proposals taken up by the Senate. (She tried to get a special subcommittee appointed, but Edward M. Kennedy, who has his own health care plan and is chairman of the committee with jurisdiction over the issue, blocked her, offering her later a role concerning health insurance.) McCain had indicated that he wanted to help Obama in the Senate, and by taking him up on it, Obama has both flattered and coopted him.


Mrs. Clinton's and her closest advisers' turning a suggestion by the President-elect that she might, among other things, head the State Department into an "offer" and reports that she was agonizing over whether to accept it, did not please officials in Chicago, some of whom hoped that issues over disclosure of Bill Clinton's post-presidential record might block the appointment. But the former president's camp blocked that by promising to cooperate with requests for information and to accept limits on his activities, including clearance of speaking engagements abroad. Statements by the Hilary camp on November 21 saying that "she's ready" for the position but then backtracking, saying that some matters were "under discussion," typified the whole mess, the only snag thus far in an otherwise unusually smooth transition involving impressive choices--an object lesson to Obama (which he had reason to know already) that getting involved with the Clintons is rarely uncomplicated.

Read more about Clinton's potential Secretary of State position here.

In the New York Review of Books, Elizabeth Drew sheds some more light on the behind-the-scenes wrangling between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama over the Secretary of State post: Obama's meetings w...
In the New York Review of Books, Elizabeth Drew sheds some more light on the behind-the-scenes wrangling between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama over the Secretary of State post: Obama's meetings w...
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- breakfast I'm a Fan of breakfast 8 fans permalink

Another episode in the interminable Hillary soap opera.

Drama is as drama does. Will it never end?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 11/26/2008

Hillary remains treacherous and perfidious. Not to be trusted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 11/26/2008

Do the Clintons and the media have any dirt on Obama to be able to twist his arms like this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 11/26/2008
- Actionmac I'm a Fan of Actionmac 10 fans permalink
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No, if they did they would have used it in the primaries.­.. However, this is why she should NOT be in his cabinet no matter what he can use bill for (it's bill NOT her) in deplomacy or meeting other world leaders. She brings nothing but the drama she and her team has created, Obama being quiet on this tells me he knows how much he has to watch these people. As the clintons make their plans O has a plan.

Stay tuned...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 11/26/2008
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Absolutely. If they had dirt, it would have bee thrown already. She had a nomination to win... and would have used anything she had.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 11/26/2008

I knew someone would say something that shortsighted, which is why I made a point of highlighting the word "INTERPARTY" in my other post because based on the CIRCUMSTANCES AT THE TIME, it was impossible for the Clinton campaign to go after Obama too hard.

1. They were receiving too much pressure from people like you, the media, and Democratic politicians "NOT" to damage each other in case they got the nomination. Based on the circumstances at the time, the Clintons could not be too hard on Obama and vice versa because they would have suffered for it in the primaries. They had a better chance by not attacking Obama with really hot stuff, therefore, they did not. If you have any memory, then you should remember the media questioning whether the Clinton campaign really wanted to damage Obama, when it was looking more and more like he would be their party's nominee. The Clintons understand the power of media-created memes. Had they gone hard after Obama, it would have "HURT THEM" more than help them, so they did not.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 11/26/2008

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2. They were investigating rumors about both Edwards and Obama, but I'm pretty sure that the fact that former Clinton Deputy Roger Altman being over the National Enquirer had nothing to do with the Edwards scandal being broken there...NO­T. Some Clinton folks were investigating some "rumors" about Obama, and the media has been looking into some of those rumors for the last few months as well. I don't know if the rumors are true and really couldn't care less if they were, but if they are, it would be leverage. If they didn't get what they thought was conclusive evidence on Obama until he was already guaranteed to be the nominee, it would have been impossible to use it.

3. There is nothing better for a politician than a cooperative media, because the media is what shapes public opinion. As long as Obama keeps the corporate media happy, the public will view his Presidency as a success. It kept Bush's dirt hidden from most of the public until the end of 2005 when the media finally turned on him. These Obama nominations don't scare corporate America, and therefore, don't worry the media. If they did, they would turn on him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 11/26/2008
- davism97 I'm a Fan of davism97 16 fans permalink

You gotta love the pictures Huff uses with its articles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 11/26/2008
- Pepper14 I'm a Fan of Pepper14 2 fans permalink

McCain and Obama played their roles well but if Obama thinks he has McCain where he wants him then he smoking to much. We have all seen this dance before and everyone pretends to play nice but when the criticism starts coming loud against Obama you will find that out how thin skinned he really is because one thing I have noticed about him is he is all smiles when you agree with him but he gets very testy when you don't. He seems to be taking a lot of Bush policies and making them his own. I don't know where the change is because so far he has adopted a lot of Bush policies and picked Washington insiders. I guess he thnks change is that he is black.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 11/26/2008

Obama has no authority to pass any new policies until he is inaugurated in January. Perhaps e isn't trying to make too many enemies because they can cause him hell within the transition, just as Clinton did when Bush was president elect.

Obama never said that he has McCain right where he wants him. Have you just read the same article that everyone else has? You must have been a Palin supporter because your intellect is about the same as hers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 11/26/2008
- CtJean I'm a Fan of CtJean 9 fans permalink

Go back on your meds, your mind is slipping.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 11/26/2008

Some people do not just feel the need to make sense. Could you explain to all of us what Bush Policies he has adopted? Again (cos i'm scratching my head here) could you explain your reasoning behind Obama thinking he has McCain where he wants him? Lastly (cos I'm trying to stop) when have u seen Obama testy because he didn't get what he wanted?

P.S. - Obama has McCain exactly where he wants him... back in Arizona.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 11/26/2008
- HHarvey I'm a Fan of HHarvey 28 fans permalink
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Hmmmm..... well why bother on here? You seem to have it all wrapped up. Sounds like you think you personally know Obama and are a close friend, so much so that you can analyze and predict his every emotion. I too think you need to chill out and get over it, McCain lost. Take a deep breath and let a year go by then come back on here and analyze, right now you have nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 11/26/2008

This is ridiculous. To believe this one would also have to believe that Obama is an inept leader to fall victim to such a ploy. One would also have to believe the worst about Hillary Clinton, and it amazes me how easy that is for some of my fellow democrats. There is no drama between Hillary and Obama. The drama is the media circus that scrutinizes their relationship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 11/26/2008

Actually, it's quite easy to do. Obama got a pass from the media, for the most part, during the Democratic Primaries and the General Election. The media only focused on Reverend Wright when they wanted to drag out the battle for the nomination between Clinton and Obama, for a little longer. If there is anything that the Clintons and the media have on Obama that was never publicized during the "interparty" primaries and the General Election where the media chose Obama because his candidacy was a better story, it's pretty easy to keep Obama in line by simply keeping his dirt private in return.

That's a perfectly logical explanation for why he would be making most of these ridiculously "STATUS QUO" appointments, and it would also give leverage to the political establishment, which includes the Democratic and Republican establishments and the establishment media.

They keep quiet, and Obama gives them what they want in return.

With each Clinton-lackey nomination and new revelation, this theory seems more and more likely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 11/26/2008
- tednottodd I'm a Fan of tednottodd 5 fans permalink

Do you really believe that if the media "had anything" on Obama, it would have stayed quiet? You have got to be kidding me.

He was "vetted" more than any president in modern history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 11/26/2008
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"Got a pass".... OH PLEASE. Spare me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 11/26/2008
- lincheryl I'm a Fan of lincheryl 6 fans permalink

No way she wouldn't have used it in the primaries and before the official nomination if she had ANYTHING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 11/26/2008
- katielady I'm a Fan of katielady 19 fans permalink

standupamerica08 made me laugh!!! but seriously if Obama doesn't want her in that seat, they he should put her out of our misery

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 11/26/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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If true, he should for sure not nominate her. Arrogant, self-serving, manipulative --- exactly what the country does not need.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 11/26/2008
- hildutus I'm a Fan of hildutus 6 fans permalink

I believe the word you're searching for is Clintonesque.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 11/26/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

For those who fear Obama will govern from the center in terms of actual legislation:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/obamas-agenda-difference-between.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 11/26/2008

Now this sounds more like the Clintons I have come to know and love. Just bulldoze your way into whatever you want!

I hope Obama drops this idea of bringing Hillary into his administration. Leave her in the Senate where she has little if any sway. It seems that Ted Kennedy has Obama's back in the Senate. let her languish there. She cares about nothing and no one except herself. We want an executive branch that is devoid of scandal. How could Obama think someone who has bullied her way to the top at every turn would suddenly change behavior. The Clintons are the Chimera of American politics. We see greatness on the horizon and don't want Hillary to spoil it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 11/26/2008

Now, quite frankly, I'm willing to believe there are SOME Macaeivellianisms at work here. The SOS is the third highest position in any administration. The only two that are any higher have to chosen by an election.
Now, I still have my doubts about whether or not HRC even WANTS the slot. But, by offering it to her, BHO removes forever any lingers doubts that he DOESN'T want to work with her.
If the nomination fails (because Bill wouldn't allow for full vetting) OR she turns it down, the President-elect will then be viewed as having made the effort. And NOT just for some 'token' position, either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 11/26/2008
- Faxus I'm a Fan of Faxus 12 fans permalink
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Is this rumor or truth? I thinks it is a bit of both, but one thing is perfectly clear to me. Watch any video of Barack and Hillary together and he is always looking at her adoringly. He's always touching her, always smiling, always looking at her in a manner that is clearly honest and trusting. I think Barack has very strong positive feelings about Hillary Clinton. He likes her and respects her and enjoys spending time with her. I think they will become good friends what ever happens. I suspect that she reminds him of his mother.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 11/26/2008
- Pepper14 I'm a Fan of Pepper14 2 fans permalink

What have you been drinking?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 11/26/2008
- Faxus I'm a Fan of Faxus 12 fans permalink
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Are you blind?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 11/26/2008

Politicians are the original actors.

Besides, adoration from one side is not always reciprocated by the other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 11/26/2008
- Faxus I'm a Fan of Faxus 12 fans permalink
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I think Hillary likes him but there's only room for one man in her life. Barack enjoys the company of smart people. Hillary Clinton is one of the most accomplished and intelligent women of her generation, that clearly counts for something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 11/26/2008
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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I know, from personal experience, that sometimes you can
invent a story that is so cool it has to be true, even if you made
it up yourself. In politics, this is perhaps a form of shrewdness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 11/26/2008
- mymic1 I'm a Fan of mymic1 13 fans permalink

you know i just keep thinking of another time when another Secretary of State in a time of national emergency tried to seize control.

anybody remember Al "I'm in charge here" Haig.

I bet Hillary does...

barack needs to watch her closely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 11/26/2008
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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I've had the same memory, but after all, in Al Haig's case,
it was just that someone had to *remind* him that the law
of succession had changed & he didn't get to be 'in charge'
after all, much as he wanted to be - so as to 'reassure us all'.
I'd be pretty sure that HRC knows better, but we might want to
watch out as regards Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 11/26/2008
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I think one could find a more refined, mature socio-political culture at a high school rally. All this talk of sage, shrewd politicians and their wily ways, feh! Seems that the only agendas some of these folks have is to feed their own egos and then get lucrative book and speech deals; slapping themselves on the back and telling each other what great things they have done. I sure hope the President-Elect has the force of will and humility to get through to these yahoos and remind them they represent the People and not themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 11/26/2008
- Tayo I'm a Fan of Tayo 4 fans permalink

Whatever the case may be, I believe Barack Obama has chosen his own Sara Palin. Happy goes round. This is the 'change we can believe in'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 11/26/2008
- Tom Joad I'm a Fan of Tom Joad 290 fans permalink
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i'm not an HRC fan, but comparing her to SP is just silly. She is much more diabolical than SP and, to be honest, more intelligent and informed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 11/26/2008
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