Report: Clinton Camp Fabricated Initial Obama "Offer"

digg Share this on Facebook Huffpost - Report: Clinton Camp Fabricated Initial Obama "Offer" stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS

The Huffington Post
First Posted: 11-25-08 05:48 PM   |   Updated: 12-26-08 05:12 AM

I Like ItI Don’t Like It
Clinton

In the New York Review of Books, Elizabeth Drew sheds some more light on the behind-the-scenes wrangling between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama over the Secretary of State post:

Obama's meetings with Hillary Clinton and John McCain about playing important roles in his presidency indicated his imagination and his shrewdness, although sources close to Obama say he did not offer her the job of secretary of state when they met. He had said during the campaign that he wanted various views in his government, and in turning to his own former competitors, Obama was at the same time magnanimous and seeking to keep them close. Both were in a position to cause him difficulty in the Senate--Clinton, in particular, had kept her constituency intact (through HillPAC) and was planning her own Senate agenda, including her own health care program, no matter what Obama proposed. But Clinton lacks the seniority, and therefore a committee position from which to get her proposals taken up by the Senate. (She tried to get a special subcommittee appointed, but Edward M. Kennedy, who has his own health care plan and is chairman of the committee with jurisdiction over the issue, blocked her, offering her later a role concerning health insurance.) McCain had indicated that he wanted to help Obama in the Senate, and by taking him up on it, Obama has both flattered and coopted him.


Mrs. Clinton's and her closest advisers' turning a suggestion by the President-elect that she might, among other things, head the State Department into an "offer" and reports that she was agonizing over whether to accept it, did not please officials in Chicago, some of whom hoped that issues over disclosure of Bill Clinton's post-presidential record might block the appointment. But the former president's camp blocked that by promising to cooperate with requests for information and to accept limits on his activities, including clearance of speaking engagements abroad. Statements by the Hilary camp on November 21 saying that "she's ready" for the position but then backtracking, saying that some matters were "under discussion," typified the whole mess, the only snag thus far in an otherwise unusually smooth transition involving impressive choices--an object lesson to Obama (which he had reason to know already) that getting involved with the Clintons is rarely uncomplicated.

Read more about Clinton's potential Secretary of State position here.

In the New York Review of Books, Elizabeth Drew sheds some more light on the behind-the-scenes wrangling between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama over the Secretary of State post: Obama's meetings w...
In the New York Review of Books, Elizabeth Drew sheds some more light on the behind-the-scenes wrangling between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama over the Secretary of State post: Obama's meetings w...
Report Corrections
 
Comments
1166
Pending Comments
0
iPhone App Promo

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Next › Last » (28 pages total)
- jollyelle I'm a Fan of jollyelle 18 fans permalink

HRC will have to start learning to play by someone else's rules NOW, i only hope Obama boots her if she can't. Our country doesn't have any more room for DIVA Presidents, male or female. We need to get to business and our PEOTUS is leading the way for us to RETURN TO REALITY.

RETURN TO REALITY..............2009

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 AM on 11/26/2008
- irisda I'm a Fan of irisda 8 fans permalink
photo

You know, I didn't want to pay attention to the "clintons are drama-queens" rhetoric, but this looks really bad for Hilary Clinton. And it's really sad to force Obama's hand like that. Even if she were SOS, Obama calls the shots and he can get rid of her too. So I don't know if and why she'd sign up for something like that. She won't be her own person, as in she'll represent Obama's vision. I can believe the reports which say her senate experience is frustrating to her, but this story here seems like a stretch.

But I guess where there's smoke, there is fire. It seems whenever the Clintons get in the news, some kind of drama ensures. They need to fix their PR tactics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 AM on 11/26/2008
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 66 fans permalink

When every single "news" story is from unnamed sources it becomes an opportunity for anyone with an ax to grind to lie with impunity. It seems the hate Hillary faction within the Obama team is still alive and functioning. Propspective appointees are "leaked" and then quickly confirmed. But, with the Hillary story of bootstraping herself into the SOS position there will be NO confirmation. More than likely it was a lie by a diehard Hillary hater. Obama needs to find the Hillary hater within and fire them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 AM on 11/26/2008
- ishok I'm a Fan of ishok 9 fans permalink

It's all about them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 AM on 11/26/2008

The news and truth are not the same thing.
~ Walter Lippman (1889-1974) ~

Whoever controls the media, controls the mind.
~ Jim Morrison ~

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 AM on 11/26/2008
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 66 fans permalink

Elizabeth Drew is getting sloppy in her old age. She's 73 and it sound like the usual Hillary hate machine making stuff up. I think Drew got spun and rather than check for a second source she just repeated the garbage a la Judith Miller.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 AM on 11/26/2008
- lifesucks I'm a Fan of lifesucks 5 fans permalink

I am so tired of this unsubstantiated rheortic being thrown about to make for a hyped-up "news" story. Unless a source can be quoted using his or her name, these articles should cease. These supposed leaks are nothing more than bored journalists who need to make their quota on a slow news day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 11/26/2008
- demfriend I'm a Fan of demfriend 24 fans permalink
photo

Was this not the very same way they did the VP bit? It is a bit unpleasing to think they had to do this underhanded to attempt to force the hand of Obama and it goes to show the type of people that "helped" put it together. Barack Obama isn't a stupid man and I can bet if she does get the job the reins will be tight as she will not be able to self promote as they usually do withot a price if he doesn't like how she does the job. I can see the plus in her having the job but the drama they envoked here is going to make too many heads of state question her faithfulness to Obama. He is not going to let her shine as much as she wants to for her future but he will use her to his advantage. Also she doesn't hve the "for sure" job yet as I believe he is letting her think hard about what they have done here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 11/26/2008
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 348 fans permalink
photo

I just hope she doesn't give Obama headaches. The Clintons are too much drama and soap opera, plus they are control fre a ks. I hope she remembers who is the president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 11/26/2008
- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 71 fans permalink
photo

Pathetic!


Dems can't even unite til the inauguration.


Many of these posters here are starting to really get on my nerves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 11/26/2008

Solely from my perspective, this "disunity" arises from the pick of Clinton. Had the selection been nearly anyone else (within reason) this wouldn't be a problem. This among other reasons, like her lack of foreign policy experience, is why I believe other people are better suited for the post. At a time we need to be unified more than ever, do we really need a person which stirs such vitriolic feelings even with members within her own party? I voted for Obama and don't regret it (yet), but I can say with little doubt she isn't the best selection for SoS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 11/26/2008
- frenchie25 I'm a Fan of frenchie25 12 fans permalink

seriously!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 11/26/2008

Groupthink is the REAL CANCER, not disagreement, especially when the truth is involved.

Let's just all UNITE and be wrong together.

Sorry, but I'll pass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 11/26/2008
- Balzac I'm a Fan of Balzac 167 fans permalink
photo

If Hillary becomes Secretary of State and then visits Iraq, isn't that insensitive to the Iraqis that they should have to accommodate this woman?

After all, it was Clinton who voted to give George Bush authorization to launch an unprovoked blitzkrieg and then she voted to sustain the brutal occupation for years, all the while, blaming Iraqis for not handling security while Bush's jackboot rested on their necks.

Hillary Clinton and other congressional democrats who voted to authorize force against Iraq for an unprovoked war are still enablers of war criminals and they are soaked in the blood of perhaps more than 1,000,000 Iraqis.

And Hillary has never admitted she was wrong, much less apologized for her brutal, pro-Bush Iraqi policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 11/26/2008

Kerry voted for the war too, so did Kenedy, and most of the Dems in the Senate... who would be your SOS. Kucinich? Nader?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 11/26/2008
photo

Richardson supported the war too. The problem is most Dems in office before the Iraq war supported it which makes them just as complicit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 11/26/2008
- macbabe I'm a Fan of macbabe 107 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 11/26/2008
- cdbk I'm a Fan of cdbk permalink

Hagel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 11/26/2008
- frenchie25 I'm a Fan of frenchie25 12 fans permalink

what about joe biden? and his son who is serving there? Get real

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 11/26/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
photo

Hillary Clinton voted for the war, yet never took responsibility for it, Biden has. And Biden never said anything about o bliterating Iran either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 11/26/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
photo

A lot of the pro Hillary arguments on here on based on "you're a h ater." That is so teenish it isn't funny.

So what if we don't like Hillary? Does that mean our opinions and thoughts are no longer worth anything because we have concerns with her, especially with the R ovian campaign she ran? It's hard to get over her when her campaign was based on throwing the kitchen sink at Barack Obama, John McCain's campaign was not that different.

Point is, the Clintons are too divisive and just are hard to trust. After Obama clinched the nomination, Hillary didn't concede until a couple of days later, and she did little in the way of campaigning for Obama until the fall, and even then Obama had a substantial lead, I don't think the Clintons helped Obama's numbers other than keeping the base, similar to Palin doing that for McCain.

And if you're going to make an argument for Hillary, at least try and formulate it without calling other people h aters, like I said, that sounds so teenybopish and holds no weight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 11/26/2008

Clinton voters watched Barack Obama throw the kitchen sink at Senator Clinton AND President Clinton. We saw his campaign and his supporters turn into little Rush Limbaughs and Karlita Roves, spouting the same tired old attacks and smears we'd heard for years.

Luckily for President-elect Obama, we are responsible adults. We set aside our serious issues with how the Clintons were treated during the primaries and contributed, volunteered and voted for Obama. Without that mature response from most Clinton voters John McCain would be President-elect today. Given how Obama supporters behaved during the primaries, we are not surprised at your lack of adult rationality now.

You are mired in almost 20 years of Republican attacks on the Clintons, Faux News bullshit and nonsense stories from the past. Think about it and get over yourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 11/26/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
photo

So if Barack Obama had been the one who ran the divisive campaign, you'd be telling him and his supporters to get over themselves?

If Obama was the one who ran the divisive campaign, he would be FINISHED! He would have been seen as a hypocrite, a fraud, and marginalized. He most likely would not be re elected by the people of Illinois to another Senate term, and no one would want to associate themseves with him. But since this is Hillary Clinton, all is forgiven, no matter HOW R ovian her campaign was!

Sorry I will NOT blindly trust Hillary Clinton until she proves me otherwise, look at where 8 years of blind trust behind Bush and his admin has gotten us~

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 11/26/2008

"Clinton voters watched Barack Obama throw the kitchen sink at Senator Clinton AND President Clinton."

Can you please give some examples? As I remember it, barbs were traded across camps, but none thrown with such blo.odlust as those thrown from the Clinton camp! I'm sorry, but had she had run against anyone except Obama, many more of the Clinton's laundry would have been exposed. I'm not saying Obama didn't take so low shots, but nothing compared to Clinton's camp tactics!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 11/26/2008
- nycity I'm a Fan of nycity 3 fans permalink

Obama ran a respectful campaign and it's ridiculous to act as if his supporters spoke for HIM.

Luckily for President-Elect Obama you say? NO, luckily for the country, Hillary supporters did the mature thing and put misguided anger aside.

I posed the challenge during the primaries and I'll do the same now, provide one example of how President-Elect Obama disrespected Sen. Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 11/26/2008
- PennP I'm a Fan of PennP 26 fans permalink
photo

Any time I'm annoyed by something Obama's done, all I have to do is come here and read some PUMA screed. Like this piece. Once again, I get that great rush of relief and gratitude that right, might, and brains finally triumphed. I'm reinvigorated, and resolve to accept the limits of reality, but keep focused on the best possible outcome for all involved. It may take some teeth gnashing before I get there, but pieces like this highlight the contrast between the ersatz and the authentic, and help me stay the course. Thanks for the reminder of what could have been, ekwbowen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 11/26/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

whaaaa, whaaaaa,

not based in facts deary.
She did about 75 rallys and other campaigning appearances for him and raised about 8 million for him.
give it a rest.

No one is saying you are a hater because you don't like her- they are saying you are a hater because of how you express your --- well---- hate.
(talk about "teenish")

If you express yourself with such a lack of civility, fairness and facts and use so much vehemence and venom in your denouncements of course people think you are a hater. You are acting hatefully.
Duh.

The draqma and the problems are coming from you and the anti HRC army.

Its rather sad too since what you are saying is based so much on the old neocon narrative and rumor mill of the '90's and so little on facts and actual progressive understandings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 11/26/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
photo

Actually, if you look at the number of events (starting with the Unity event) they were few and far between until October, well when Obama already had a commanding lead.

And if you think that repeating what happened during the primary season is not fair game, just imagine if the shoe was on the other foot, and it had been Barack Obama who ran the divisive campaign. You need to quit with the blind following and wake yourself up to reality. Hillary is a polarizing divisive figure, which is why I've been for Obama since day 1.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 11/26/2008
- frenchie25 I'm a Fan of frenchie25 12 fans permalink

ohmercy - thank you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 11/26/2008

Now THAT's projection, ladies and gentlemen! Lack of civility is a hard charge to make stick after you start out a comment with "whaaaaa", continue with "duh" and wind up by accusing the commenter of neoconism.

I was part of the Defenders of the Clintons all through their travails, and it was one of the cringeworthiest moments of my life when Hillary put down her fellow Dem and elevated herself and the Republican candidate together. Another awful moment was herflag-burning amendment, a stark act of pandering.

Hillary has moved beyond these rather shameful beginnings, a good thing for her and the country, leaving behind the PUMA movement, a movement founded on the false premise that she didn't give as good as she got in the primaries. Her advisors agreed to the rules as long as they thought she was ahead, then played the PUMAs like violins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 AM on 11/26/2008
- cdbk I'm a Fan of cdbk permalink

The Clintons have come aboard,infact the number of Clinton associates on the Obama team threatens his message of change. Obama has even accepted Leiberman back into the fold.
The politics of the past hopefully is just that,if Clinton supporters do not recognise that,my only question to them is do they believe that Obama or any of his team would have been offered a position in a President Hillary Clinton cabinet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 11/26/2008
- cdbk I'm a Fan of cdbk permalink

Although there is no way to check the veracity of the article,the abnormal way the Clinton pick came out makes one wonder,since it was so untypical of the smooth,deliberate Obama machine.In fact it made the Obama camp look tentative and unprofessional,something the camp has tried hard to dispel because of it's young leader.
I also wonder why this article is not a headline on the homepage,if true,it should be a major headline,maybe HuffPo is not willing to stand behind it,if this is the case it should not have published it,there is enough resentment between the Clinton and Obama camps already.
However if it does turn out to be true, I hope Obama is as good as he appears to think he is about controlling the people around him,because this machiavellian move will have put a Borgia in his cabinet with a high profile and powerful position capable of seriously wounding him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 11/26/2008
photo

Good article but no sources?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 11/26/2008

yeah its the HuffPo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 11/26/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

Right- as in most of these ridiculous anti Clinton propaganda posts...
"a source close to the Obama campaign said......"

It is interesting how many of these posts abound here on HP while on places like FireDog Lake, EmptyWheel, the Beast, Salon there are far less and they are usually to the point and sourced. When they aren't sourced the article points it out and makes an attempt at balance.

Not so here and that comes from the top.
It is also why HP has lost so much credibility in the last couple of years- I was kind of stunned when I first started reading grumblings and criticisms and some snide snark here and there about AH and HP.
I was glad to see it though, glad to see it wasn't just me that was wondering what the hell was happening here.

talk about jumped the shark!!!

it is curious though that it seems the more they go anti HRC, the more over the top they are in their coverage and bias, the more the MSM/cable news use them in their guest appearances for "insight into the left blogosphere."

strange, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 11/26/2008
- TishiJo I'm a Fan of TishiJo 22 fans permalink

I believe strongly in President elect Obama's ability to intelligently choose the most competent and experienced administration. I absolutely do not believe that he has at any time offered Hillary Clinton the Secretary of State position. I believe that because of her blatant dishonorable, disorganized and unsuccessful campaign bid for power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 11/26/2008

I do think Obama offered Clinton the position. I just don't understand why when there are other people who are more qualified for the post. I am not attempting to downplay her credentials in any way, but I do feel this decision reeks of political opportunism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 11/26/2008
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 452 fans permalink
photo

I think he did, and I think it was part of a deal, and I wouldn't be surprised if this article is true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 11/26/2008
photo

reads like fiction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 11/26/2008

because it is

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 11/26/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

yep.

And lousy fiction at that.
Danielle Steele of politics.

Who really is creating the drama here?
ahhhh yes, the pundit class.
Clinton Derangement Syndrome is going into overdrive.

Yikes.
Somebody start a 12 step program!

Well, going to go off to a couple of the more sane and balanced sights to see if there is anything up about this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 11/26/2008
photo

I distinctly recall watching Andrea Mitchell who broke the story denying that the Clinton camp had leaked it. She specifically said that both of her two sources were Obama people, not from the Clinton camp. So the initial leak came from within the Obama camp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 11/26/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
photo

And now Mitchell is backtracking saying it was "Democratic sources..." not Obama surrogates... how quickly Hill surrogates change their tune.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 11/26/2008

how quickly you reinvent what you do not know

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 11/26/2008

Look at the ties here:

Ari*yawn*a, her ties to Buffet who owns most of GE/NBC News. There stock is in the tank along with Birkshire. Obama's transition team begins leaking exclusively to CNN, shutting out NBC due to its precieved liberal slant. Suddenly, Andrea Mitchell breaks this bogus Drama Narrative citing sources in the Obama camp, then has to retract on Meet the Press. She now says it wasn't Obama sources but merely "prominent Democrats"... sounds fishy to me...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 11/26/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

YES!
absolutely correct.
I don't know what these people think, that we are all so drunk on the Hillary Hate kool-aid that we wouldn't remember something that wasn't devoted to undermining, dividing and demonizing HRC?

yikes.
Somebody help them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 11/26/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 605 fans permalink
photo

My husband and I were doing a little house cleaning for the holidays, and digging through some of the newspapers and magazines he's held onto over the years, we found a couple of Newsweek magazines published in the months preceding Bill Clinton's election. Although I was as engaged with Bill's election as I was with Obama's, I had forgotten some of the ugliness that surrounded the campaign. Did you know Bill Clinton was also called an "elitist," and was painted by the Republicans as "anti-American" and unpatriotic? Being reminded of this, two things stood out in my mind:

1. The Republicans haven't changed!
2. Why would Bill and Hillary Clinton encourage some of the same tactics that were used against them, against Obama, much like McCain used the same tactics that Bush used against him.

This has nothing to do with Hillary's appointment to the Secretary of State position, a decision I trust with President-Elect Obama. But it does speak to the character of the Clintons or maybe to the character of politics in general. Yet, I doubt if we will ever see Obama use these kind of tactics against his future opponents. He had every chance to do so in both the primary and the general, but he chose integrity over character assassination, which speaks to his character as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 11/26/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
photo

Thank you, this is what I've been saying time and time again.

I have always been proud to have supported Obama, he always took the high road and never used personal, baseless attacks against Hillary or John McCain. Hillary Clinton ran the most divisive candidate ever run by a Democrat. Not even Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Obama, et al got that negative with each other.

The Clintons played dirty to get their way and cry foul when things don't go their way, we saw that in the primaries: they kept on moving the goal post, even though Obama would always come out ahead. Now we had Bill saying he would do whatever the Obama team wanted, and Hillary being disenchated with the Senate, when will this end?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 11/26/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
photo

I have always been proud to have supported Obama, he always took the high road and never used personal, baseless attacks against Hillary or John McCain. Hillary Clinton ran the most divisive candidate ever run by a Democrat. Not even Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Obama, et al got that negative with each other.

The Clintons played d irty to get their way and cry f oul when things don't go their way, we saw that in the primaries: they kept on moving the goal post, even though Obama would always come out ahead. Now we had Bill saying he would do whatever the Obama team wanted, and Hillary being disenchated with the Senate, when will this end?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 11/26/2008

You must not have been paying attention during the campaign. Obama and his surrogates did, in fact, use the same kind of smear tactics against both Senator and President Clinton that Republicans had used for years. Had he and his team really risen above that kind of thing, she'd have beaten him easily and she'd be President-elect today.

He's not the messiah, dear, he's a very intelligent and skilled Chicago politician. I know that being a good politician is supposed to be a filthy slur but I love American politics and I love to see people who know how to play the game. And yes, sometimes that game gets dirty.

But let's please, please, please, not kid ourselves that the Obama camp didn't give as good as they got during the campaign. They aren't Team Sunnybrook Farm - they're politicians and political operatives. And thank heavens for that because naivete and an unwillingness to engage in the street fighting aspect of DC politics has destroyed far more experienced men than President-elect Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 11/26/2008
- McChimp I'm a Fan of McChimp 162 fans permalink
photo

"Obama and his surrogates did, in fact, use the same kind of smear tactics against both Senator and President Clinton that Republicans had used for years."

Wow I missed the memo where Obama had decided to throw the kitchen sink at Hillary Clinton and talk about her gender, all the scandals in her closet, about how she's white, how she was exploiting his race, how she couldn't win black voters, how she lied under sniper fire in Bosnia...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 11/26/2008
photo

Two excellent points. I posted several times reminding people of the draft dodger, anti-American blah blah blah rhetoric they used against Bill Clinton. That was the least of their problems.

Campaigns especially underdog campaigns show what people are really about. Just like McCain promised to run an honorable campaign and ended up running the same dir ty campaign run against him in 2000 against Bush, Clinton used the same tactics of weak on defense and not test like the Republicans did on Bill Clinton. That's why those two hypocritical campaigns lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 11/26/2008

Corporatists LIE. That is what they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 11/26/2008
Page: « First ‹ Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Next › Last » (28 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

 You must be logged in to comment. Log in  or connect with 

Connect