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RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM | November 27, 2008 11:38 PM EST | AP

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Sharda Janardhan Chitikar, left, is consoled by a relative as she grieves the death of her two children in a terrorist attack as she waits for their bodies outside St. Georges Hospital in Mumbai, India, Thursday, Nov. 27, 2008. Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish group's headquarters, killing people, and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on the nation's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. (AP Photo/Gurinder Osan)

MUMBAI, India — Masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters Friday onto the roof of a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were holed up, possibly with hostages, as sharpshooters kept up a steady stream of fire at the five-story building.

The assault was punctuated by gunshots and explosions from within the building as the forces cleared the building floor-by floor. Elsewhere in the city, commandos scoured two luxury hotels for suspected Muslim attackers still holed up more than a day after a chain of attacks across India's financial center by the militants left at least 119 people dead.

Hundreds of people had been captive in the two hotels, many locking themselves in their rooms or trying to hide as the gunmen roamed the buildings.

One victim was British-Cypriot Andreas Dionysiou Liveras, 73, the owner of a luxury yacht business,

said the Cypriot foreign ministry and his brother, Theophanis Liveras.

Andreas Dionysiou Liveras, who was attending a conference, had spoken to the British Broadcasting Corp. from a locked room inside the Taj Hotel before he was killed.

"As we sat at the table we heard the machine gun fire outside in the corridor. We hid under the table and then they switched all the lights off. ... All we know is the bombs are next door and the hotel is shaking every time a bomb goes off," he said.

At the headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch, a commando assault began shortly after dawn following a tense night in which six trucks of soldiers had been brought in to surround the building.

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Snipers stationed in buildings opposite the center began the attack, with sustained fire on the building as at least nine commandos lowered themselves by rope onto the roof from a circling Indian air force helicopter.

Hundreds of onlookers, many with binoculars, crowded onto the roofs and in narrow alleys of southern Mumbai, trying to catch a glimpse of the dramatic commando assault.

It was not immediately clear if there were hostages in the building or their fate.

On Thursday morning, two workers and a child escaped from the building, the only people to emerge so far. The child was identified as Moshe Holtzberg, 2, the son of Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, the main representative at Chabad house. The child was unharmed, but his clothes were soaked in blood.

The well-coordinated strikes by small bands of gunmen starting Wednesday night left the city shell-shocked, but the sporadic gunfire and explosions at the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels dwindled overnight, indicating the sieges there might be winding down.

Security forces searched room by room at the hotels _ two of the top gathering spots for the Mumbai elite _ but there were no gunbattles or blasts. Commandos had spent much of Thursday bringing out hostages, trapped guests and corpses from the hotels in small groups while firefighters battled flames that erupted. The fires were out by Friday.

The Maharashtra state home ministry said dozens of hostages had been freed from the Oberoi and dozens more were still trapped inside. More than 400 people were brought out of the Taj Mahal on Thursday.

Authorities said they had killed three gunmen at the Taj. However, army commanders said they believed there were still two or three more militants in the Taj and about 15 civilians. "We need to get them out of the rooms they have locked themselves into," said Brig. Bobby Mathews.

State officials said 119 people had died and 288 were injured in the attacks.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed "external forces" for the violence _ a phrase sometimes used to refer to Pakistani militants, whom Indian authorities often blame attacks on.

The gunmen were well-prepared, even carrying large bags of almonds to keep up their energy during the fight. Their main targets appeared to be Americans, Britons and Jews, though most of the dead seemed to be Indians and foreign tourists caught in the random gunfire.

The gunmen _ some of whom strode casually through their targets in khakis and T-shirts _ clearly came ready for a siege.

"They have AK-47s and grenades. They have bags full of grenades and have come fully prepared," said Maj. Gen. R.K. Hooda.

Ratan Tata, who runs the company that owns the elegant Taj Mahal, said they had detailed knowledge of the layout of the hotels.

A U.S. investigative team was heading to Mumbai, a State Department official said Thursday evening, speaking on condition of anonymity because the U.S. and Indian governments were still working out final details. The official declined to identify which agency or agencies the team members came from.

India has been shaken repeatedly by terror attacks blamed on Muslim militants in recent years, but most of them were coordinated bombings striking random crowded places: markets, street corners, parks.

These attacks were more sophisticated _ and more brazen.

They began at about 9:20 p.m. with the shooters spraying gunfire across the Chhatrapati Shivaji railroad station, one of the world's busiest terminals. For the next two hours, there was an attack roughly every 15 minutes _ the Jewish center, a tourist restaurant, one hotel, then another, and two attacks on hospitals. There were 10 targets in all.

Indian media showed pictures of rubber dinghies found by the city's shoreline, apparently used by the gunmen to reach the area. Both of the luxury hotels targeted overlook the Arabian Sea, which surrounds the peninsula of Mumbai.

Analysts around the world were debating whether the gunmen could have been tied to _ or inspired by _ al-Qaida.

"It's clear that it is al-Qaida style," but probably not carried out by the group's militants, said Rohan Gunaratna, of the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore and author of "Inside Al-Qaida."

Indian media reports said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility in e-mails to several media outlets. The Deccan is a region in southern India that was traditionally ruled by Muslim kings.

Survivors of the hotel attacks said the gunmen had specifically targeted Britons and Americans.

One of the gunmen "stopped once and asked, 'Where are you from? Any British or American? Show your ID," Alex Chamberlain, a British citizen dining at the Oberoi, told reporters.

Among the dead were Australians and a Japanese, said the state home ministry. An Italian, a Briton and a German were also killed, according to their foreign ministries.

At least three top Indian police officers _ including the chief of the anti-terror squad _ were among those killed.

The United States, Pakistan and other countries condemned the attacks.

The motive for the onslaught was not immediately clear, but Mumbai has frequently been targeted in terrorist attacks blamed on Islamic extremists, including a series of bombings in July 2006 that killed 187 people.

Mumbai is one of the most populated cities in the world with some 18 million crammed into shantytowns, high rises and crumbling mansions.

Relations between Hindus, who make up more than 80 percent of India's 1 billion population, and Muslims, who make up about 14 percent, have sporadically erupted into bouts of sectarian violence since British-ruled India was split into independent India and Pakistan in 1947.

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Associated Press writers Anita Chang, Erika Kinetz and Jenny Barchfield contributed to this report.

MUMBAI, India — Masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters Friday onto the roof of a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were holed up, possibly with hostages, as sharpshooters ...
MUMBAI, India — Masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters Friday onto the roof of a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were holed up, possibly with hostages, as sharpshooters ...
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satoro invites you to a group think meeting. Please come prepared.

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 11/28/2008
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Added to my favorites
Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 11/28/2008

your gonna need it when the lord of the t.v. people talks to you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 11/28/2008

This is bad. Is this the same man from India who called Obama an n*****? Well if so, it appears that every time somebody say something about Obama they catch HELL at the end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 11/28/2008
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Okay, that is just NOT the conclusion you should be reaching here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 11/28/2008
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You mean Artur Gorski of Poland? Or maybe Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 11/28/2008
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..or Ayman al-Zawahiri?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 11/28/2008
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What ARE you talking about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 11/28/2008
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anticon: just wanted to clear something up, because apparently i'm deaf, dumb and blind because i prefer to use my brain instead of see shadowy CIA people behind every tragedy that happens in the world, so here's my post from below:
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so which is it? your original post said he's laying the groundwork for an expansion in to afghanistan (the states and allies are already there).

Was that a typo? did you actually mean Pakistan?

And if so, are you seriously trying to suggest that the States is about to invade Pakistan?

With what military?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 11/28/2008

who knows....m­aybe the 200 000 strong blackwater

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 11/28/2008
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We're already engaged in Pakistan--it's been in the papers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 11/28/2008
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yes i realize that there have been ops in Pakistan.

We're talking invasion and expansion of the war - at least i think we are.

anticon seems to be confused about what he's trying to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 11/28/2008
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Never said anything about Pakistan invasion.B­ut expansion into Afghanistan in the name of "terrorism" is almost a given.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 11/28/2008
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yes. Obama has made it quite clear that he thinks it's important to finish the job in Afghanistan.

This has been made quite plain from the beginning - even before he announced his candidacy.

What is your point? how is the situation in Mumbai connected to Afghanistan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 11/28/2008
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... hate to break it to ya... but we've been in Afghanistan for...ohhh­, about SEVEN YEARS now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 11/28/2008
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funny that im the one on the defensive for my opinion and being attacked??? its alomost like your afraid to think....b­y urself



I just have the sense to know I can't predict what will happen after Obama is sworn in. I am attacking your posts which you dont preface with "My opinion", but instead you post as if fact.
Again this is the sign of an idjit.
If you want your post to be taken as opinion, I suggest trying a different approach.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 11/28/2008
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No, but if past behavior warrants future action, it would be reasonable to predict that O is not going to engage in "knee-jerk" politics in the form of JDAM diplomacy and then ask questions later.

Thus, change.

My question is, if there are no other options will he engage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 11/28/2008
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My opinion is that he will engage if need be. Of course the "if need be" part is, again,
a matter of opinion.
To this point he has shown himself to be pragmatic and centrist, in my opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 11/28/2008
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Stupid people will tie an entire people to the antics of a radical few, are you one of them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 11/28/2008
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And sadly there are too many folks who see the world that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 11/28/2008
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yes. i blame all short people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 11/28/2008
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I blame the stupid people. They are legion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 11/28/2008

the coverage just fuels islamophobia

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 11/28/2008
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How so?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 11/28/2008
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Well, judging by the number of posts suggesting we "solve" the "Islamic problem" in ever-increasingly violent ways, I'd say it probably does, wouldn't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 11/28/2008

I agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 11/28/2008
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When we see kids starving, homeless, naked and abused, why doesn't that fuel cristanophobia (spelled incorrectly on purpose)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 11/28/2008
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The conqueror controls the message!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 11/28/2008
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GOOD!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 11/28/2008

Neocon Response to this incident: (Neocon Playbook)

1. We must now attack Russia - a country that had nothing to do with this. (They have a lot of Oil). A little "Shock & Awe" . . .
2. We will spend about a Trillion dollars of taxpayer money. We will reward our neocon friends with inflated military contracts . . . We will sell the collateral damage of dead american soldiers as "Patriotism" . . .
3. We will terrorize American families thru their television sets. Not with "what is really going on", but with a Neocon "Storyline". We will use WMD's (Weapons of Mass Deception)
4. We will tell Americans to go shopping (while we Rape, Pillage, & Plunder)
5. After this Neocon Orgy, we will steal money from the taxpayers treasury to Bailout our Banking & Insurance friends - "Because we are to big to fail" . . .
6. The American people will be suffering from PTSB (Post Traumatic Bush Disorder) and we will blame the Democrats for all the problems of the next 4 years . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 11/28/2008
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LOL. Well said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 11/28/2008

.....i dont need to make another post after that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 11/28/2008
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Sounds about right, given that Kucinich just gave an interview talking about the necessity of stopping our aggressive stance toward Russia and Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 11/28/2008

OH Jeebus, You're really going to go to Camp and get Re-Educated for that Buster.
(bring some board games with you ..the rest of us are bored to death here at Camp and the Blackwater guys are no fun dicks)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 11/28/2008
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Huffpoers: Can we please get rid of this haighter?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/InvadersRnotHeroes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 11/28/2008
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ema, just who are you referring to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 11/28/2008

As it is Thanksgiving, I wanted to share with you this incredible story from someone who escaped from the recent terror in Mumbai http://cricketfamily.blogspot.com/2008/11/email-from-mumbai.htmll). I will let him tell, in his own words, that we have so much to be thankful for.
With love,
Sara

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 11/28/2008
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" Their target tonight was first and foremost Americans. Why? Because they fear everything that America stands for. They fear hope and change and freedom and peace."

Thanks for posting this. However this last bit is part of the problem; why aren't we outraged about the terror that the US continues to inflict on Afghans and Iraquis? USA has created bad karma. Let's unerstand that terror is terror regardless of the justificat­ions...we point the fingers at the perpetrators of this attack in Mumbai yet remain non-plussed at all the terror we inflicted these last FIVE years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 11/28/2008
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Why did they kill Sharda's children? I don't understand why children would be targeted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 11/28/2008
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Brahmin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 11/28/2008
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Colonel Jacobs said news wires are stating that the group was from Kashmir and not Pakistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 11/28/2008
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Who the hell is "Colonel Jacobs"??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/28/2008
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Retire military colonel who reported through AP and MsNBC that there is relevant information that the group is not from Pakistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 11/28/2008
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he's on MSNBC all the time, he is actually interesting, in a take no prisioners, I'll punch you if you disagree with me kind of way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 11/28/2008
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Kashmir is the contested Muslim-dominated area between India and Pakistan. So, Kashmir is both India and Pakistan..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 11/28/2008
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48 hrs is two DAYS right??
the dems were complicate too.......­.if not why doesnt obama bring them home on day 1??
and why is sending them to afganistan????
and yes they have because they try and justify this......­..

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First, you answer why Bush took us into Irap and neglected to finish the mission in Afghanistan? Beating up on Obama before he's sworn in is ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 11/28/2008

i just asked why he wont bring them home and why do we have to go into afgan...it­s actually ridiculous that you would defend that decision please do we want more wa r...cant it just end now??

what has afgan done to us???? tell me

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 11/28/2008
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they had the nerve to be sitting where we wanted to build a pipeline, that's what they did to us.

and the iraqis had the nerve to be sitting on top of that oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 11/28/2008
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Learn English. Did you go to SP school?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 11/28/2008
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He isnt even Prez yet, but you think he should already have brought them home?
Make some sense, will ya. Then we might even take you seriously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 11/28/2008
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Allow OBL to hatch his hat red unchecked and dispatch ter rorists around the globe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 11/28/2008
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I disagree with Obama on this.... I think the troops should ALL come HOME.

Afghanistan is a quagmire that brought down both the British Empire & the Soviet Union... it's NEVER been a "nation" in the western sense of the word... but a series of TRIBES who DON'T recognize borders.

The Caspian Sea oil pipeline was the REAL reason we went in in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 11/28/2008
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no there is something more sini ster to this story they are pushing it for a reason....­.....
to justi fy another wa r
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I just popped in to see what the buzz is on the threads this morning... satoro is still posting this?

satoro, could you please tell us... WHO is pushing it to justify another war? Could you explain how regional Pakistani/Indian resentments that have been boiling over for decades - including sporadic attacks by mi.litants and extr.emist­s from both sides - is linked to some sort of American shadow govern.men­t or New World Order?

To give you some historical context, since you seem to be lacking it, when i was living in China in 1998 these same two countries were on the brink of nuc.lear w.ar. was that some sort of New World Order plot too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 11/28/2008

go back to bed slick.....­im ready to leave

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 11/28/2008
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Your problem is "T." You are attempting a common sense approach with a conspiracy theorist. Reason is considered null and void when dealing with these people.

Oh and, I bet you don't even own a tin foil hat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 11/28/2008
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i'm just waiting for the insults to start flying.

Every time you prove him wrong, he runs away and then posts the same nonsense an hour later...

it's like he takes pride in his ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 11/28/2008

oh and dont forget to watch cnn so you can learn whats really going on........­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 11/28/2008
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still can't back up your bullsh!t, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 11/28/2008
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Just wondering did "Business" show up yet this AM?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 11/28/2008
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He / she was a hoot yesterday

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 11/28/2008
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I swear my stomach is still sore from laughing so hard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 11/28/2008

India shouId stop repressing and kiIIing the peopIe of Kashmir, and a democratic referendum should take place there to resolve sovereignty status of Kashmir. Until then, I don't care about the Indian government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 11/28/2008

Muslims should stop repressing their own people - especially their own women.

For thousands of years, Kashmir has been part of India, and it will remain so.

These Islamic terrorists are already on their way to meet Mr. Allah.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 11/28/2008
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"For thousands of years, Kashmir has been part of India,"

What do you define as "thousands of years of India"?
You mean the various rulers who had separate/divided kingdoms within that geographical region?
Or the occasion, individual ruler who managed to form an empire?

As per the agreement of independence, Kashmir was a kingdom. And hence, has a right to choose its own status.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 11/28/2008

How do you treat your womenfolk ?

Before you talk about others ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 11/28/2008
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You posted it before and I am replying to you again. NO INDIAN cares about YOU either. Go to sleep for ever you I d io t.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 11/28/2008

Do you really think that justifies the sla.ughter of innocent civilians? Presumably, Christians, Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs?

The behaviour of the Russian government in Chechnya was appalling but it didn't justify the car.nage at Beslan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 11/28/2008

Look at the history of your own people and brethen.
How people of your ilk treat their own brethen, treat their womenfolk and treat their neighbours throughout history ...

Btw ... I don't care about your ilk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 11/28/2008
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