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RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM | November 27, 2008 11:38 PM EST | AP

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Sharda Janardhan Chitikar, left, is consoled by a relative as she grieves the death of her two children in a terrorist attack as she waits for their bodies outside St. Georges Hospital in Mumbai, India, Thursday, Nov. 27, 2008. Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish group's headquarters, killing people, and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on the nation's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. (AP Photo/Gurinder Osan)

MUMBAI, India — Masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters Friday onto the roof of a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were holed up, possibly with hostages, as sharpshooters kept up a steady stream of fire at the five-story building.

The assault was punctuated by gunshots and explosions from within the building as the forces cleared the building floor-by floor. Elsewhere in the city, commandos scoured two luxury hotels for suspected Muslim attackers still holed up more than a day after a chain of attacks across India's financial center by the militants left at least 119 people dead.

Hundreds of people had been captive in the two hotels, many locking themselves in their rooms or trying to hide as the gunmen roamed the buildings.

One victim was British-Cypriot Andreas Dionysiou Liveras, 73, the owner of a luxury yacht business,

said the Cypriot foreign ministry and his brother, Theophanis Liveras.

Andreas Dionysiou Liveras, who was attending a conference, had spoken to the British Broadcasting Corp. from a locked room inside the Taj Hotel before he was killed.

"As we sat at the table we heard the machine gun fire outside in the corridor. We hid under the table and then they switched all the lights off. ... All we know is the bombs are next door and the hotel is shaking every time a bomb goes off," he said.

At the headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch, a commando assault began shortly after dawn following a tense night in which six trucks of soldiers had been brought in to surround the building.

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Snipers stationed in buildings opposite the center began the attack, with sustained fire on the building as at least nine commandos lowered themselves by rope onto the roof from a circling Indian air force helicopter.

Hundreds of onlookers, many with binoculars, crowded onto the roofs and in narrow alleys of southern Mumbai, trying to catch a glimpse of the dramatic commando assault.

It was not immediately clear if there were hostages in the building or their fate.

On Thursday morning, two workers and a child escaped from the building, the only people to emerge so far. The child was identified as Moshe Holtzberg, 2, the son of Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, the main representative at Chabad house. The child was unharmed, but his clothes were soaked in blood.

The well-coordinated strikes by small bands of gunmen starting Wednesday night left the city shell-shocked, but the sporadic gunfire and explosions at the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels dwindled overnight, indicating the sieges there might be winding down.

Security forces searched room by room at the hotels _ two of the top gathering spots for the Mumbai elite _ but there were no gunbattles or blasts. Commandos had spent much of Thursday bringing out hostages, trapped guests and corpses from the hotels in small groups while firefighters battled flames that erupted. The fires were out by Friday.

The Maharashtra state home ministry said dozens of hostages had been freed from the Oberoi and dozens more were still trapped inside. More than 400 people were brought out of the Taj Mahal on Thursday.

Authorities said they had killed three gunmen at the Taj. However, army commanders said they believed there were still two or three more militants in the Taj and about 15 civilians. "We need to get them out of the rooms they have locked themselves into," said Brig. Bobby Mathews.

State officials said 119 people had died and 288 were injured in the attacks.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed "external forces" for the violence _ a phrase sometimes used to refer to Pakistani militants, whom Indian authorities often blame attacks on.

The gunmen were well-prepared, even carrying large bags of almonds to keep up their energy during the fight. Their main targets appeared to be Americans, Britons and Jews, though most of the dead seemed to be Indians and foreign tourists caught in the random gunfire.

The gunmen _ some of whom strode casually through their targets in khakis and T-shirts _ clearly came ready for a siege.

"They have AK-47s and grenades. They have bags full of grenades and have come fully prepared," said Maj. Gen. R.K. Hooda.

Ratan Tata, who runs the company that owns the elegant Taj Mahal, said they had detailed knowledge of the layout of the hotels.

A U.S. investigative team was heading to Mumbai, a State Department official said Thursday evening, speaking on condition of anonymity because the U.S. and Indian governments were still working out final details. The official declined to identify which agency or agencies the team members came from.

India has been shaken repeatedly by terror attacks blamed on Muslim militants in recent years, but most of them were coordinated bombings striking random crowded places: markets, street corners, parks.

These attacks were more sophisticated _ and more brazen.

They began at about 9:20 p.m. with the shooters spraying gunfire across the Chhatrapati Shivaji railroad station, one of the world's busiest terminals. For the next two hours, there was an attack roughly every 15 minutes _ the Jewish center, a tourist restaurant, one hotel, then another, and two attacks on hospitals. There were 10 targets in all.

Indian media showed pictures of rubber dinghies found by the city's shoreline, apparently used by the gunmen to reach the area. Both of the luxury hotels targeted overlook the Arabian Sea, which surrounds the peninsula of Mumbai.

Analysts around the world were debating whether the gunmen could have been tied to _ or inspired by _ al-Qaida.

"It's clear that it is al-Qaida style," but probably not carried out by the group's militants, said Rohan Gunaratna, of the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore and author of "Inside Al-Qaida."

Indian media reports said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility in e-mails to several media outlets. The Deccan is a region in southern India that was traditionally ruled by Muslim kings.

Survivors of the hotel attacks said the gunmen had specifically targeted Britons and Americans.

One of the gunmen "stopped once and asked, 'Where are you from? Any British or American? Show your ID," Alex Chamberlain, a British citizen dining at the Oberoi, told reporters.

Among the dead were Australians and a Japanese, said the state home ministry. An Italian, a Briton and a German were also killed, according to their foreign ministries.

At least three top Indian police officers _ including the chief of the anti-terror squad _ were among those killed.

The United States, Pakistan and other countries condemned the attacks.

The motive for the onslaught was not immediately clear, but Mumbai has frequently been targeted in terrorist attacks blamed on Islamic extremists, including a series of bombings in July 2006 that killed 187 people.

Mumbai is one of the most populated cities in the world with some 18 million crammed into shantytowns, high rises and crumbling mansions.

Relations between Hindus, who make up more than 80 percent of India's 1 billion population, and Muslims, who make up about 14 percent, have sporadically erupted into bouts of sectarian violence since British-ruled India was split into independent India and Pakistan in 1947.

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Associated Press writers Anita Chang, Erika Kinetz and Jenny Barchfield contributed to this report.

MUMBAI, India — Masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters Friday onto the roof of a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were holed up, possibly with hostages, as sharpshooters ...
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check this out.......­.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=6223

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 AM on 11/28/2008
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Sorry for the interruption everyone, this will only take a minute...

to peacekitten: I still can't articulate why I call myself a centrist or moderate, I will diagram it for you. But remember that I am just learning, so don't carve it in stone (and for god's sake don't tell anyone, all I need is thread-fight today with someone who might misterinterpret this). This line represents the entire spectrum of the Democratic party, ok? The asterisk is me.
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LEFT______­__________­_____ CENTER __________­_______RIG­HT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 11/28/2008
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Oh my God--you're an "ultra-liberal"! LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 11/28/2008
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Very funny, Carol...Bl­ue was wrong, you do have a sense of humor. This has happened to me before: I type something in a certain spot in the box but then when the post comes up, what I typed is somewhere else in the box. See my second reply above where I say where I REALLY am on that line....

:]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 11/28/2008
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Rats! Why did the asterisk end up over there? It should be just one or two spaces to the right of where it says CENTER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 11/28/2008
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Okay, I was wundrin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 11/28/2008

who cares

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 11/28/2008
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She was posting in reply to discussion further on down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 11/28/2008
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You are free to scroll on by withiout leaving a comment or even reading a post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 11/28/2008
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since i was the one who asked her the question, i do, for one.

please feel free to p i s s off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 11/28/2008

Notice how quickly any posts dealing with the M o s s a d or c i a get scrubbed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 11/28/2008

why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 11/28/2008

there are all kinds of links out there about them having a hand in this massacre..­.......why­?

figure it out for yourselves­..........­.....India is making friendly overtures with Iran..

just read ........

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com for lots of info you won't get in the USA media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 11/28/2008
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I s r a e l

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 11/28/2008

thats weird some of my posts have disapeared­..........­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 11/28/2008
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I noticed that some of your most mendacious, anti-Semitic drivel has been scrubbed.

Personally, I would have let your festering rot bathe in sunshine. We should be able to read all of your opinions to know exactly where you stand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 11/28/2008

The ethnocentrism is reeking over on CNN. Their corressponded and the Studio Crew are throwing prissy fits because they aren't getting up to the min details from Indian Special Forces. It's sickening. The other channels are actually reporting.­..not b!tching.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 11/28/2008
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I know that this is a terrible, terrible thing that has happened in India. I am perplexed though why CNN has given it non-stop 24 hour coverage (they did take a break to view their taped 24 Heroes program).?

Is it just to give us a break from our economic woes? I want to hear about it but not 24 hours a day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 11/28/2008
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Beating the drums of war again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 AM on 11/28/2008

i everyone really going to fall for this.....?­? i think the ir aq war has a 22% approval raiting...­..

i hope no one buys this sh it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 11/28/2008

exactly...­.ittakes our mind of the robbery thats going opn and pushes for more wa r in pakistan..­.........

the propaganda machine is in high gear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 11/28/2008

exactly...­.ittakes our mind of the robbe ry thats going opn and pushes for more wa r in pakistan..­.........

the propa ganda machine is in high gear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 11/28/2008

India Seeking to Bolster Ties with Iran

India says it considers its own national interests and wants to develop relations with Iran without being intimidated by political pressure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 11/28/2008
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the whole story.. when we hear the whole full story it's gonna be so amazing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 11/28/2008

so im assuming that Obama is actually going to start more wa rs???? gee im surprised.­......how will all the blind followers of obama spin this......­..........

this is exactly like bush's first year......­.....he had a 76% approval rating....­...
i really hope the american people see through this set up........­.

its pathe tic.......­. IM WONDERING WHAT OPRAH OR MICHAEL MOORE ARE GOING TO SAY when they cant deny anymore that obama had no intentions on haltng the bush agenda...?­?
and everything he said was a li e????

what a waste of 2 years .....why did wew have an election??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 11/28/2008
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Don't go off on a crazy tangent. Obama said he would send more troops into Afghanistan, remember?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 AM on 11/28/2008
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Obama made it clear he would send more troops to Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 AM on 11/28/2008
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You're crazy. Obama has nothing to do with this. He's not even President yet. No, Obama is not going to "start more wars." I get so sick and tired of crazy Americans and their crazy conspiracy theories. I don't think George Bush planned 9/11 either. He's not smart enough. The world is not some total menacing, threatening place where everything is a conspiracy. Calm down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 11/28/2008

Yea dude, Obama is going to start more wars despite his repeated saying that he would end Iraq and do everything to end Afganistan. He's also make it very clear that he is more interested in beefing up our infrastructure at home but those statements are overlooked by a kook like you because it really does not fit into your stu pid theory. I don't think there will be a a new war under Obama, more likely the ending of the two that we already are in. If however there is another war I'd trust Obama to start one responsibly and not based on an assumption like we did with Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 11/28/2008
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this is insane.. i just can't get over it.. can you imagine how well trained they were? how well planned the attacks were?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 AM on 11/28/2008

CAROLAB...­.....so i woke up this morning to abderson cooper and hat guy form Ir aq .....talki­ng about "the surge"into afagnistan and how they need to go into pakistab as well thats where all the al CIAda are.......­....i kinda wish we were worng lst night...bu­t .......loo­ks like they are doing as predicted

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 11/28/2008
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Yup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 AM on 11/28/2008
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Blue,you know I am young to politics. (If you don't know, you haven't been reading my posts!) Now, what is the spectrum for this party? I mean this. You have the far, far left, the radicals. Then in the middle you have moderates, or centrists. That's me. But what do you have on the right? How can there even BE a right, in this party? If there is, though, what are they? And what are they called?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 AM on 11/28/2008
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The "right" is represented by the DLCers, the neolibs the ones who wrote the PPI Blueprint, essentially the same as the PNAC but with a multinational approach. They are pro-corporate, pro-war and pro-Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 AM on 11/28/2008
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Hillary Clinton and Rahm Emanuel are DLCers. So is Harold Ford, also known as a "blue dog". The DLC has a website if you'd like to read the roster. DLC stands for Democratic Leadership Council.

http://www.dlc.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 AM on 11/28/2008
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Read this piece in Salon by Michael Lind:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/11/21/liberals/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 AM on 11/28/2008

are you still awake??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 11/28/2008
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Last paragraph of the article:

"Listen to John F. Kennedy, accepting the endorsement of his presidential candidacy by New York's Liberal Party on Sept. 14, 1960:

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal."

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
__________­__________­__________­__________­__________­__________­______

I think I am still a moderate, or centrist, within the party of course. Thank you for this link, Carol.

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I left you a reply and in it I quoted the last paragraph of the Salon article. For some reason it went pe.nding, hopefully it will come up soon. Must have been some word or name inside the quotation. And I thanked you for the link. It was quite informative. I like Salon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 AM on 11/28/2008
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well, abby, i think at one time in this country, the more 'conservative' element of the left used to be known as 'blue dog' democrats. fiscal conservatives, social liberals.

what's disturbing is that the line keeps moving. what used to be considered a 'moderate' democrat is now considered a radical. personally, i can't understand why the whole concept of returning to the rule of law, standing up for honesty, justice, and humanitarian causes is considered to be a fl.amm.ing liberal' these days. we're accused of being 'godless,' tr.aii.tors,' co.waa.rds,' ia.rsa.rs,' and any other horrendous pejorative the other side can think of, while at the same time, it has become the height of 'christianity' to k i l l others in the name of god's love, righteous to inflict suffering on the innocent, and to covet and steal from another whatever we want, whether it be on the scale of nations, or corporate executives.

there is a world of difference in being truly a 'liberal' and merely a 'democrat.­'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 11/28/2008
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'blue dog democrat'. Is that what Bill was? I just read Carol's link and it said in there that Bill was a neoliberal. New liberal. I don't like any names with 'new' in them because of New Labour over here. Tony Blair was New Labour but that turned out to be a Tory, a Tory that, every now and then, has left-wing idea, say, in a moment of weakness. (Ha!) New Conservatism would of course be Labour that, every now and then, has a right-wing idea, etc. I don't like 'new': it is usually cooked up soley to have a fresh and, more importantly, catchy name for an election. Often to pass the same old, same old off as brand new, b rand new. Imo.

Thank you, peace, for the info.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 AM on 11/28/2008
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CNN's reporting of Mumbai was completely unprofessional. For hours they couldn't tell viewers things competent reporters could find out: how many people were registered at each hotel, how many rooms each hotel had. Instead they stood outside apparently waiting for official talking heads to tell them the story and saying Gee Whiz over and over again. Several focused on an anlysis of the attack while the attack was still ongoing. Somebody please tell hem they are reporters. Viewers want to know what's going on. We don't want political anaysis in the middle of an attack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 AM on 11/28/2008

The reason for not disclosing how many guests were registered at these hotels was to prevent the terrorists from going in search of more hostages.

Not divulging this information prevented the terrorists from taking more hostages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 11/28/2008

If you are watching CNN please CNN-IBN (CNN Indian wing) is like Fox News in US.

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/video/video_live.aspx?id=0 is the best source (a good reason why huffingtonpost picked it)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 AM on 11/28/2008

Its official ..... Indian PM is about to talk to Pak PM Zardari. India has come out and said that its Pakistan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 11/28/2008
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No duh. Gee what a SHOCK!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 11/28/2008

did they relly?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 AM on 11/28/2008
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This will go back and forth, with horrible acts of retaliation. I don't see anyone coming out on higher ground because of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 AM on 11/28/2008
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Islamic religious leaders and scholars should publicly and very strongly condemn this kind of madness, otherwise their religion will one day find itself ostracised and vilified all over the world. They need to win back their religion from the fanatics

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 11/28/2008
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I believe that just about every head of state, at least in Europe and the UK, has been telling them that for years. The fact that they don't take that advice and issue strong condemnations, is telling in itself. Very.

Not that words do much good, especially those words. 'I strongly condemn this act of ter.ror;' which you will hear from almost every world leader after an atro.city, has become a vacuous statement. Something more, and stronger, needs to be said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 11/28/2008
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No, something more thoughtful and cohesive needs to be said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 11/28/2008

"need to win back their religion from the fanatics".­...so do the Christians

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 AM on 11/28/2008
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Islam is decentralized by definition. With NO "official leaders" There are Imams but it they are localized by nationality, like Mormons in Christianity - but on more of a community level.

its insulting for us to preach like we are talking to children. That's actually part of the problem. It would be meaningless in their eyes and just another example of the west forcing their views on Islam.

Bush's statements in this area were an ignorant debacle. More clever approaches are needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 AM on 11/28/2008
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I have to ask myself this question: I wonder what kind of intelligence President Obama is going to get? Will he get the same kind of intelligence JFK got?

Will he get intelligence that will put him in a position of perhaps making the worst mistake of his life?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 11/28/2008
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That is exactly what I am worried about as well. Why should he trust any of these Bush-aligned intel people or defense people?

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