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RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM | November 27, 2008 11:38 PM EST | AP

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Sharda Janardhan Chitikar, left, is consoled by a relative as she grieves the death of her two children in a terrorist attack as she waits for their bodies outside St. Georges Hospital in Mumbai, India, Thursday, Nov. 27, 2008. Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, a crowded train station and a Jewish group's headquarters, killing people, and holding Westerners hostage in coordinated attacks on the nation's commercial center that were blamed on Muslim militants. (AP Photo/Gurinder Osan)

MUMBAI, India — Masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters Friday onto the roof of a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were holed up, possibly with hostages, as sharpshooters kept up a steady stream of fire at the five-story building.

The assault was punctuated by gunshots and explosions from within the building as the forces cleared the building floor-by floor. Elsewhere in the city, commandos scoured two luxury hotels for suspected Muslim attackers still holed up more than a day after a chain of attacks across India's financial center by the militants left at least 119 people dead.

Hundreds of people had been captive in the two hotels, many locking themselves in their rooms or trying to hide as the gunmen roamed the buildings.

One victim was British-Cypriot Andreas Dionysiou Liveras, 73, the owner of a luxury yacht business,

said the Cypriot foreign ministry and his brother, Theophanis Liveras.

Andreas Dionysiou Liveras, who was attending a conference, had spoken to the British Broadcasting Corp. from a locked room inside the Taj Hotel before he was killed.

"As we sat at the table we heard the machine gun fire outside in the corridor. We hid under the table and then they switched all the lights off. ... All we know is the bombs are next door and the hotel is shaking every time a bomb goes off," he said.

At the headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch, a commando assault began shortly after dawn following a tense night in which six trucks of soldiers had been brought in to surround the building.

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Snipers stationed in buildings opposite the center began the attack, with sustained fire on the building as at least nine commandos lowered themselves by rope onto the roof from a circling Indian air force helicopter.

Hundreds of onlookers, many with binoculars, crowded onto the roofs and in narrow alleys of southern Mumbai, trying to catch a glimpse of the dramatic commando assault.

It was not immediately clear if there were hostages in the building or their fate.

On Thursday morning, two workers and a child escaped from the building, the only people to emerge so far. The child was identified as Moshe Holtzberg, 2, the son of Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, the main representative at Chabad house. The child was unharmed, but his clothes were soaked in blood.

The well-coordinated strikes by small bands of gunmen starting Wednesday night left the city shell-shocked, but the sporadic gunfire and explosions at the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels dwindled overnight, indicating the sieges there might be winding down.

Security forces searched room by room at the hotels _ two of the top gathering spots for the Mumbai elite _ but there were no gunbattles or blasts. Commandos had spent much of Thursday bringing out hostages, trapped guests and corpses from the hotels in small groups while firefighters battled flames that erupted. The fires were out by Friday.

The Maharashtra state home ministry said dozens of hostages had been freed from the Oberoi and dozens more were still trapped inside. More than 400 people were brought out of the Taj Mahal on Thursday.

Authorities said they had killed three gunmen at the Taj. However, army commanders said they believed there were still two or three more militants in the Taj and about 15 civilians. "We need to get them out of the rooms they have locked themselves into," said Brig. Bobby Mathews.

State officials said 119 people had died and 288 were injured in the attacks.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed "external forces" for the violence _ a phrase sometimes used to refer to Pakistani militants, whom Indian authorities often blame attacks on.

The gunmen were well-prepared, even carrying large bags of almonds to keep up their energy during the fight. Their main targets appeared to be Americans, Britons and Jews, though most of the dead seemed to be Indians and foreign tourists caught in the random gunfire.

The gunmen _ some of whom strode casually through their targets in khakis and T-shirts _ clearly came ready for a siege.

"They have AK-47s and grenades. They have bags full of grenades and have come fully prepared," said Maj. Gen. R.K. Hooda.

Ratan Tata, who runs the company that owns the elegant Taj Mahal, said they had detailed knowledge of the layout of the hotels.

A U.S. investigative team was heading to Mumbai, a State Department official said Thursday evening, speaking on condition of anonymity because the U.S. and Indian governments were still working out final details. The official declined to identify which agency or agencies the team members came from.

India has been shaken repeatedly by terror attacks blamed on Muslim militants in recent years, but most of them were coordinated bombings striking random crowded places: markets, street corners, parks.

These attacks were more sophisticated _ and more brazen.

They began at about 9:20 p.m. with the shooters spraying gunfire across the Chhatrapati Shivaji railroad station, one of the world's busiest terminals. For the next two hours, there was an attack roughly every 15 minutes _ the Jewish center, a tourist restaurant, one hotel, then another, and two attacks on hospitals. There were 10 targets in all.

Indian media showed pictures of rubber dinghies found by the city's shoreline, apparently used by the gunmen to reach the area. Both of the luxury hotels targeted overlook the Arabian Sea, which surrounds the peninsula of Mumbai.

Analysts around the world were debating whether the gunmen could have been tied to _ or inspired by _ al-Qaida.

"It's clear that it is al-Qaida style," but probably not carried out by the group's militants, said Rohan Gunaratna, of the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore and author of "Inside Al-Qaida."

Indian media reports said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility in e-mails to several media outlets. The Deccan is a region in southern India that was traditionally ruled by Muslim kings.

Survivors of the hotel attacks said the gunmen had specifically targeted Britons and Americans.

One of the gunmen "stopped once and asked, 'Where are you from? Any British or American? Show your ID," Alex Chamberlain, a British citizen dining at the Oberoi, told reporters.

Among the dead were Australians and a Japanese, said the state home ministry. An Italian, a Briton and a German were also killed, according to their foreign ministries.

At least three top Indian police officers _ including the chief of the anti-terror squad _ were among those killed.

The United States, Pakistan and other countries condemned the attacks.

The motive for the onslaught was not immediately clear, but Mumbai has frequently been targeted in terrorist attacks blamed on Islamic extremists, including a series of bombings in July 2006 that killed 187 people.

Mumbai is one of the most populated cities in the world with some 18 million crammed into shantytowns, high rises and crumbling mansions.

Relations between Hindus, who make up more than 80 percent of India's 1 billion population, and Muslims, who make up about 14 percent, have sporadically erupted into bouts of sectarian violence since British-ruled India was split into independent India and Pakistan in 1947.

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Associated Press writers Anita Chang, Erika Kinetz and Jenny Barchfield contributed to this report.

MUMBAI, India — Masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters Friday onto the roof of a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were holed up, possibly with hostages, as sharpshooters ...
MUMBAI, India — Masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters Friday onto the roof of a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were holed up, possibly with hostages, as sharpshooters ...
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The lesson America needs to take from India is that policies concerning national security should not be compromised for any reason. If it is needed to be check the political links and operations of religious organizations that have proven to be a threat then it should done. I hope the Democratic administration does not fall weak in this area to please agendas of ultra-liberals. Barack Obama did not win solely because of the ultra-liberals. Moderates like me saw a hope that he is a uniter and that he would govern from the center. Homeland security was never talked about during the elections. But it is always a concern after 911. I hope Obama takes this as seriously as he is taking the economic crisis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 11/28/2008
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What is an "ultra-liberal"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 AM on 11/28/2008
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I'd like to know that as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 AM on 11/28/2008
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Your liberal-ness goes all the way to 11?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 AM on 11/28/2008
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I don't know if I should laugh or cry. There IS only one hope for this country, and that HOPE, my friend is with what you call "ultra" liberals!

You see we don't play games with people's heads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 AM on 11/28/2008

This was a New Group of shooters that no one ever heard of before.
Every 24 hours there's another group of nut bags with an ax to grind being generated somewhere. Are you going to "lock down" the world? I'm going to go lock myself in my bathroom from now on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 AM on 11/28/2008
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well the object of terrorism is to terrorize. I hope he can break the cycle and make terrorism unsuccessful in dictating extremes in questionable morality.

Thats how Bush lost the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 AM on 11/28/2008

AP coverage and most of media coverage on this issue sucks ass.

Here is the latest so far :-

1. The core of people behind the mess are British born muslims .

2. Pakistani citizens as well as local muslims are involved.

3. The money is from Indian muslim based in Saudi

4. Strong signs that whole thing was net based.

5. Lashkar-e-Taiba is the organisation mentioned in the act. Operation was kicked off from Karachi, Pakistan (LeT's strong hold).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashkar-e-Taiba

6. Lashkar-e-Taiba is literally a wing of Pakistani ISI

7. ISI just got a dress down from new Pakistani President and Indo-Pak relations has been a fertile ground for them to reassert their important in domestic Pakistani power structure.

Why does it matter to us in US ?

1. India has been the trial ground for operations before hitting US.

- Bombay stock exchange was bombed long before 911

what happens in India happens in US sooner or later.

2.Typically democrats have sucked at foreign policy when it comes to sub continent (its one (only ?) area Bush got it right). Nothing sends shivers down Indian spines more than combination of Madeline Albright and Clintons. (full disclosure :- I voted for Obama).

Its not a well known fact but US generals have their favorites in Pakistan military and have constantly shielded them in past.

Pray and hope Obama has good sense to roll some heads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 AM on 11/28/2008
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Yup, you're right, the reporting sucks--as per usual. What, you expected the truth?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 11/28/2008

Heres a site to keep up with updates and etc!

Leading news resource of Pakistan.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20081128main_28-11-2008_pg1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 11/28/2008

The 3 things needed for a sound democracy are - liberty, equality and fraternity. Fraternity is something that is difficult to have. To deal with that the democracy needs a strong constitution without any influence of the dividing factors. Religion being the major cause of divisions all over the world, the democracy needs to keep it out of the constitution. But is that really possible? America has managed to keep it out of the constitution, but as we saw in the elections - religion does play a major role. Barack Obama would not have got anywhere near the White House if he had not made it known that he is a church going Christian. Since Christianity is a majority religion in America, people don't see it as a problem here. In India, Islam is also a major religion which also somewhat creates a unique cultural identity amongst its followers. If 2 conflicting cultures exist in a country, I don't see how that country can have a democratic form of government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 11/28/2008
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Two "different religions" are NOT "two conflicting cultures", that's how they CAN "co-exist" and HAVE for a long, long time, until all of a sudden people are made to believe that they CANNOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 AM on 11/28/2008
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Carolab,

The PNAC have a big chessboard with all the Mu-slim players and another enemy on it. They understand what T.E. Lawrence understood, that Arabs fight amongst themselves. A people divided will always be weak and powerless no matter what riches and nu-kes they possess. So what they are doing is enabling them to eliminate themselves.

There are two countries that are a thorn in their side though: Russia and Iran.

That's why they're using Georgia and Poland against Russia to try and get NA-TO involved. As far as Iran is concerned; that's still a hard nu-t to crack. They're not like their neighbors.

The next target is probably Pakistan and India may help take care of the problem, because the Pakistani government is unwilling or unable to control their own people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 11/28/2008
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Sure, of course, I knew that all along. But that doesn't mean "we" didn't instigate it, does it?

And I knew the next target was Pakistan and this was all about that--and when I said so for two days on here I was jumped on for it. It's been OBVIOUS for some time now. And the CIA has been conducting "operations" in Pakistan, we've have unmanned Predator aircraft there to "target terrists" and, while Bush cut their aid, and a cross-border attack by U.S. Special Forces that drew especially harsh criticism from the Pakistani government and army.

Of course on 11/18, the Obama team announced a new strategy there. One that does not match Bushco's.

And I said all along, Obama should "throw in" with Russia, Iran and South America, and I'm going to add to that list: Cuba.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 AM on 11/28/2008
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I think "the boys" on their way out the door are doing just about everything they can to leave Obama and us about the biggest mess possible, and that includes what is going on with this "bailout".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 AM on 11/28/2008
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No.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 11/28/2008
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This again proves that the Islamist (radical political Islam) is a thug who considers CIVILIANS as legitimate targets, shields, and suicide bombs, even as proven in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gaza. And to be fair, I have a three year record here on H_uffy condemning our local Christian radicals: Evangelicals and Reconstructionists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 11/28/2008

maybe T.E. Lawrence understood america too. a people divided, weak and powerless no matter the riches or weapons. sound familiar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 AM on 11/28/2008
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That's karma my friend, get over it! Remember: In God we Trust. You can't have two Gods.

Division is karma. When you start playing your enemies against each other, you start taking God's place. So then God says: Okay, now I'm going to even the playing field. I'm going to make you your enemy's equal. Now your enemy's weakness will be your own.

What YOU must ask yourself is this: How did that weakness come about?

W and his neo-con buddies tried to pull a fast one on all of us. They tried to make us believe that we were suddenly ONE, INDIVISIBLE NATION after 9-ll, but that didn't last to long DID IT? Why?

IN GOD WE TRUST.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 AM on 11/28/2008

It would be useful to know why US, British and je.ws were the targets of these attacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 AM on 11/28/2008
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I think the answer to that is pretty D**M clear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 11/28/2008
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This is a pretty good summation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiRtL8XCuP0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 AM on 11/28/2008

REad this......­..........­....

http://greatbong.net/2008/11/28/indias-nine-eleven/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 11/28/2008
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I don't see how the conclusion gets reached that the Pakistanis are trying to prove that India is unsafe at all. Using the 9 1 1 analogy, did our attack make people believe we were any less safe? No. Did it weaken our economy? Yes, except for the defense industry. Is there any reason to believe that Pakistan would draw fire onto itself? No.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 AM on 11/28/2008

They werent the only ones.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20081128main_28-11-2008_pg1

According to hospital sources quoted by the Press Trust of India, nine foreign nationals were among the de ad – including a Japanese businessman, an Australian, a Briton, a German and an Italian.

Americans, French, Israelis and Canadians were said to be among those held or trapped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 AM on 11/28/2008
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That's 2 Aussies, mate and 33 unaccounted for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 AM on 11/28/2008

The Indian government should be hold accountable for the endless repression and kiIIings in Kashemir.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 11/28/2008

The terrosits have been heard communicating in Punjabi+Urdu dialect at the Jewish Center. This dialect has been traced to Multan in Pakistan.
There are also reports that 2 captured terrorists are British citizens of Pakistani origin.
I have been tracking this very closely for the last few hours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 11/28/2008
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Wow- Brits! really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 11/28/2008
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Yes, i am surprised by the Brit. too! Britain colonized India for hundreds of years, what had India ever done to Britain? Except make it wealthy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 11/28/2008
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Muslims and Pakistan better get ready, I know India. Something is coming to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 11/28/2008
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Yes, the Brits are good at turning out ki.llers. At giving British citizenship to ki..lers from Pa.kistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 11/28/2008
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Entirely predictable. Reason to "enlarge" the WOT into Pakistan, just as Bush stopped their aid and the NYT was reporting it was because they were "not cooperating" in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 AM on 11/28/2008
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And, of course, JUST after Obama's team introduced a new strategy there:

A think-tank closely tied to U.S. President-elect Barack Obama is calling for a "dramatic strategic shift" in Washington's policy toward Pakistan, one designed to both strengthen civilian institutions and promote an effective counter-insurgency against al-Qaeda and indigenous Islamist extremists in the tribal areas along the Afghan border who increasingly threaten the country's stability.

.... The Washington Post reported Sunday that the U.S. and Islamabad reached a "tacit agreement in September on a don't-ask-­don't-tell policy that allows unmanned Predator aircraft to attack suspected terrorist targets" in the border area. Under that understanding, the U.S. government would not comment on such attacks while Islamabad will be expected to complain about them. The agreement followed a cross-border attack by U.S. Special Forces that drew especially harsh criticism from the Pakistani government and army

http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=13782

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 AM on 11/28/2008
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is a failed U.S. Strategy.

It was used against the Russians when they invaded Afghanistan. The CI-A provided the mujahadeen with intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to help them defeat the Russians.

It was used against Iran, in the Iraq-Iran war. The U.S. again provided intelligence, weapons and sophisticated technology.

Those two mistakes created OBL and SH. Like I stated last night: This country creates the fear and the monster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 11/28/2008
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keeps your subject people distracted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 11/28/2008
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Can you elaborate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 11/28/2008
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And the Taliban are STILL using those weapons we supplied. Must have been an armada of American C-47's coming in and out of Afghanistan in the seventies and eighties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 11/28/2008
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Al-Qaeda
T_aliban
w_arfare
mercenary
b_low
Pakistan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 11/28/2008
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OK I keep on trying to post this.

forgive me if I repeat, please, but it's importnat and it keeps getting s c r u b b ed.

http://morris108.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/mumbai-bombings-snippets-from-an-online-islamic-chat-shia-revealing/

Sh ia chat room speculating about why this may be happening and who's behind it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 11/28/2008
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I got it and I'm reading it--thanks...it's VERY interesting

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 11/28/2008
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On Indian TV, the anchor cautioned that the people in those photos might be undercover police, not terrorists.

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I replied to the original post before it mysteriously vanished but that was also filtered out. This particular quote from that forum really struck me because well... it speaks of real cynicism about the motives and methods of the US and I suspect that's left over from the Bush era.

It will bee nice when people with this view feel they can trust the US a bit more.

"I personally think its American ploy! why? well, America has already given its full support and asked if India needs help. Soon the ‘investigation’ will lead to pakistan, and both India and USa are in pakistan, searching for those terror.ist."

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That's the one that caught my eye as well, of course. It's sad that this is an internal and an external problem...nobody trusts us anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 11/28/2008
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Don't forget: The Bush Era is NOT over. Who's STILL in office?

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>It will bee nice when people with this view feel they can trust the US a bit more.

By 2058 perhaps? Or were you hoping for something a bit sooner? And if you were, why? Given the last fifty years, and the fact that it took the eight year reign of King George W. to make clear to the world a largely hidden reality. Though YMMV.

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test;
Iran
Vatican
Sunni
Bin Laden
Shite

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 11/28/2008
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Adios all, I hope everyone had a good meal and remembered how good most of us actually have it.

Peace to all my friends the world over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 11/28/2008
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Indeed. Shalom MJF.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 11/28/2008
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la pace e la giustizia (peace and justice)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 11/28/2008
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What is this?: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 11/28/2008
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Yup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 11/28/2008
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if ur enemy is fighting with his enemy, then you get to sneak in and hit his women with a club and drag them back to your cave. neanderthals did NOT have this technique down pat. all apart of evolution/­devolution­?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 11/28/2008

That was chanakya... google him..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 11/28/2008

Careful there, Taj Mahal is the very famous tomb.
The one on seige is the Mumbai Taj Hotel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 11/28/2008
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..& one HELL of a Jazz guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 11/28/2008
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I used to know his kidz on Kauai :)

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Off-topic (as usual!)

Ok, who's your favorite jazz group and jazz singer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 11/28/2008
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His 1969 album The Natch'l Blues is one of my faves.

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Just do what I do to the tools, I mean the trolls. Just flag em.

http://billmel8er.wordpress.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 11/28/2008
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i would much rather belittle them with humor. there is no defense against it. and its fun to test their mental skills. little lab ra ts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 11/28/2008
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Same, though it's a matter of mood for sure. Sometimes I can be bothered... sometimes not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 11/28/2008

You know who doesnt have a right to vote in Pakistan? Hindus and Christians who are real second class citizens. And I dont even want to get started on the ehtnic cleansing that took place in 1948 to rid the holy (or "Pak") land (or "stan" ie. Pak+stan= Pakistan) of infidels.. and again in 1971 in East Pakistan (what is known today as Bangladesh). The "right" in India wants the communists and "pseudo" secularists to stop pandering to certain minority groups (like giving away government land to construct madrassa or giving free trips to Mecca every year)... If that is a "fundamentalist" position than every left winger in this country is a fundamentalist.. Please I beg you to go beyond labels and try to understand the ground realities.. The last 32 hours have been very terrible not only because of what happened.. but what will happen... War.. Riots.. it is only beginning... Another sidenote.. the last time Indian PM and Pakistani PM were shaking hands in Lahore, the pakistani military (Mushy was head of the military then) was planning a war against India (google Kargil).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 11/28/2008
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it's been going on for centuries. you know why? because people are animals. some are soft and cuddly and fun to hug. some are like porcupines with a bad case of constipation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 11/28/2008
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Don't tell that to the republicans. They don't believe humans are mammals, but came from red clay and a rib.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 11/28/2008
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What is UP with these constipated porcupines called "Republicans", anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 11/28/2008
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