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ANNE D'INNOCENZIO | November 28, 2008 09:28 PM EST | AP

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Holiday shoppers pack the electronics department of a Target store in Smithfield, R.I., Friday, Nov. 28, 2008. Retailers extended their hours _ some opening at midnight _ and offered deals that promised to be even deeper and wider than even the deep discounts that shoppers found throughout November. (AP Photo/Stew Milne)

NEW YORK — Shoppers, who had snapped their wallets shut since September, turned out in force Friday to grab early morning deals and hard-to-find items like Elmo Live and the "Wii Fit" exercise game, but many said worries about the economy have them focusing on fewer gifts and less expensive, more practical items.

Meanwhile, the start of the shopping season proved deadly at both a Wal-Mart store in Valley Stream, N.Y., and a Toys "R" Us store in Palm Desert, Calif.

A temporary Wal-Mart worker died after a throng of unruly shoppers broke down the doors and trampled him moments after the store opened early Friday, police said.

Nassau County police said about 2,000 people were gathered outside the Wal-Mart store at the mall about 20 miles east of Manhattan. The impatient crowd knocked the man down as he opened the doors, leaving a metal portion of the frame crumpled like an accordion.

Shoppers stepped over the 34-year-old man on the ground and streamed into the store. When told to leave, they complained that they had been in line since Thursday morning.

"This crowd was out of control," said Nassau police spokesman Lt. Michael Fleming. He described the scene as "utter chaos."

A shooting inside the Toys "R" Us killed two people, authorities said. Toys "R" Us released a statement late Friday, noting "our understanding is that this act seems to have been the result of a personal dispute between the individuals involved. Therefore, it would be inaccurate to associate the events of today with Black Friday." The Wayne, N.J.-based retailer added that it's "working closely with local law enforcement officials to determine the specific details of what occurred."

Elsewhere at malls and stores, it was the usual hectic start of the season, as crowds of shoppers frantically picked through piles of discounted merchandise.

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"It was like everything we bought was already on sale and was an additional 50 percent off at the register," said Lynn Mahloy of Snellville, Ga., who arrived at Atlanta's Lenox Square Mall just after 6 a.m. on the traditional start of the holiday shopping season. But she's slashing her holiday budget to about $1,000 this year from about $2,500 in past years because of economic worries.

"I'm just buying smaller, less expensive presents," added Mahloy, who had bags filled with sweaters, shirts and dresses.

Preliminary reports from major retailers including Macy's, KB Toys Inc., Best Buy Co. and Toys "R" Us and mall operators such as Taubman Centers Inc. said the crowds were at least as large as last year's. But analysts said sales Friday may not match the year-ago levels as Americans, worried about layoffs, dwindling retirement accounts, and tightening credit, slash their holiday budgets, even for their own children.

"I've always filled the tree. But you have to be honest," said Shannon Keane, 38, of Cary, N.C., a single mother who was recently laid off from her job. "This year, I'll do the best I can." She was out with her 13-year-old son, Miles, at a local Wal-Mart, buying one item: an iPod.

"He really wanted this one thing," Keane said. "So we're here for this one thing."

And while the steep price cuts _ which were even more aggressive than the deep discounting offered throughout the month _ are great for consumers, such moves are expected to depress sales and profits in a season that many believe could show a rare contraction in spending, according to Janet Hoffman, managing partner of the North American retail practice of Accenture.

At a Milwaukee Wal-Mart store, Shirley Jackson, a technician, arrived at about 8 a.m., too late to get a 42-inch Polaroid HDTV selling for $598. Instead she focused on the necessities, buying shoes and pajamas for her family and stocking up on 500-threadcount sheets discounted to $20 from $70.

"It's just as well I didn't get the TV. I have to focus on what I need _ I need sheets, I need groceries," said Jackson, who is in her 40s. "I'm spending a whole lot less this year. I have bills to pay, and I don't want to have it come down to choosing between buying medicine and buying groceries."

Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, received its name because it historically was the day when a surge of shoppers helped stores break into profitability _ into the black _ for the full year.

But this year, with rampant promotions of up to 70 percent throughout the month amid a deteriorating economy, the power of this landmark day for the retail industry could be fading.

Still, while Black Friday isn't a predictor of holiday sales, it's an important barometer of people's willingness to spend for the rest of the season. This year, industry executives are taking note of how the economy is shaping buying habits.

One significant change _ and a big worry for merchants _ is that an increasing number of shoppers like Jared Smith are using cash or debit cards, instead of credit cards to pay for their purchases as they are either maxed out or just want to manage their money better.

"I'll spend less this year because I want to reduce my debt," said Smith, who was at the Owings Mills Malls in Owings Mills, Md. "I'm going to try not to use my credit card."

Hoffman noted that based on reports from retailers, children's clothing is faring better than adult clothing as parents focus on their young ones.

Karen MacDonald, spokeswoman at Taubman, which operates 24 malls in the U.S., said sales of small home appliances like pots and pans as well as coffee makers did well Friday, indicating that people are staying closer to home and are wanting to buy more necessities. She added that children's and teen apparel also fared well.

Terry J. Lundgren, chairman and chief executive of Macy's Inc., reported about 5,000 shoppers in line for the 5 a.m. opening at the New York flagship store, at least as many as a year ago. But he also agreed that shoppers are focusing more on basics. He noted that heavily discounted coats and anything cashmere, including basic sweaters and gloves, were selling out, while houseware products like single-serve coffee makers fared well.

Sales of flat-screen TVs, which had seen a slowdown in recent weeks, were a big attraction, but they were heavily discounted, according to reports from Sears Holdings Corp. and Best Buy Co. Tom Aiello, a spokesman at Sears Holdings, which operates Sears Roebuck and Co., and Kmart, said that as of noon Friday, both chains were beginning to sell out of TVs, including a 46-inch Sharp TV, at $899, down from $1,399.

Chuck O'Donnell, a manager at the Best Buy store in West Paterson, N.J., said that video games did especially well as shoppers focus on items that can be enjoyed by the entire family.

As for traditional toys, Toys "R" Us Chief Executive Jerry Storch pointed out that customers were either looking for bargains or the hot, hard-to-find toys like Fisher-Price's Elmo Live and Spin Master Ltd.'s Bakugan. He added that the $139 Spike, a radio-controlled dinosaur from Fisher-Price, was faring well. Another popular item, which has been hard to keep in stock, has been Nintendo's "Wii Fit" game.

"What kids want are the hot toys," he said. "It's not about the cheap toy."

James Fielding, president of Disney Stores Worldwide, however, noted that parents are focusing on deals. "The magic price was anything under $15," he said.

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Associated Press writers Ashley M. Heher in Chicago, Dinesh Ramde in Milwaukee, Kate Brumback in Atlanta, Barbara Rodriguez in Raleigh, N.C., Benjamin Greene in Baltimore, and Colleen Long in New York contributed to this report.

NEW YORK — Shoppers, who had snapped their wallets shut since September, turned out in force Friday to grab early morning deals and hard-to-find items like Elmo Live and the "Wii Fit" exercise g...
NEW YORK — Shoppers, who had snapped their wallets shut since September, turned out in force Friday to grab early morning deals and hard-to-find items like Elmo Live and the "Wii Fit" exercise g...
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I always wonder who these people are who say they typically spend thousands of dollars at Christmas, I've never come close to that nor has anyone I've ever known. I've known a lot of folks who buy one big gift for the house or family (like a new TV, etc) but then went light on the other presents because they couldn't afford to do a lot more after the big expenditure.

Maybe it's because I don't know any weak-willed parents of children that want the expensive "in" gifts and refuse to accept anything less, the type who would be unemployed but still buy the kid an iPod instead of a much less expensive MP3 player that doesn't have the stupid Apple on it, or stampede and kill a man while trying to buy Wii games.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 11/29/2008
- Chicago48 I'm a Fan of Chicago48 13 fans permalink

I was there and the deals weren't that great. I was really surprised. Walmart did not have great deals except in the electronics department. Everywhere else, it was retail price. Then I went to Bath & Bodyworks which had opened at 7:00 and whoa nelly! Nothing was on sale, they just had their door open.

Circuit City was stipped of all good stuff, but their discounts were off the retail price. It wasn't blow-out prices.

Folks -- wait until after Christmas, that's when they will give the stuff away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 11/29/2008
- bluekatz I'm a Fan of bluekatz 13 fans permalink

They are MOR0NS! Adults do not need presents they can buy their own. The problem is mor0ns equate XMAS to material goods. People buy crap all year long and then get crap at XMAS only to stand in line and return it. GO FIGURE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 11/29/2008

We are crazy as hell to be buying any of these products from retailers. They are producting and manufacturing these products for literally nothing in China, India, Honduras and other third world countries and the retailers are selling them to us for over 200% for its manufacturing costs. Americans are being ripped off ed everywhere we turn. We're being ripped off ed by the credit card, telephone, utility, insurance companies, etc. Lobbyists have been writing the bills coming out of congress without any concern for the American people. Their only concerns have been in favor of large multinational corporations.

Ross Perot told us, when he ran for president, if we went along with NAFTA, all the jobs would be sucked out of the United States. It looks like he was right. In the documentary Fahrenheit 911, George Bush was with a group of wealthy people he called his base, "the haves and the have mores". The republicans called the movie propaganda but it looks like Michael Moore had it right too. We as Americans must stay informed and play a larger role in our government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 11/29/2008
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 65 fans permalink

I hope that the people who stampeded that poor man in the Wal-Mart store are all recorded on the store's video camera, and are arrested, spend Christmas in jail and are charged with homicide at a minimum. Utterly shameful and despicable behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 11/28/2008
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Human stampedes, fights, and shootouts.

"It's a Wonderful Life"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 11/28/2008

It is so classical, I shop, therefore I am.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 11/28/2008
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IT IS JUST NOT WORT IT! I Shop Mostly Online, but I went to Best Buy and WalMart at 5:20am and I saw the hostility. Hundreds of people fight over 6 laptop Computers make no sense. It is all a TRICK to get people in the store. I Know people that was 8 in line at Best Buy and when they reach inside they were told all the "DOORBUSTER" deals are GONE! Did someone sneak in the back door and snatch all the so called "DOORBUSTER DEALS? IT IS ALL ONE BIG TRICK to Bait and Switch the happy gullible consumers!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 11/28/2008
- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 210 fans permalink
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My wife said the stores in Dallas were empty....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 11/28/2008

wait till you get the bill and find out she shopped for everyone..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 11/28/2008
- bluekatz I'm a Fan of bluekatz 13 fans permalink

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 11/29/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 372 fans permalink
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It's a sad commentary on how far this country has sunk when people do things like this. Whatever happened to "it's the thought that counts?"

Personally, my most treasured presents from the past are from my kids who made something and gave it to me, a painting, a piece of pottery, something creative. Those are the presents I still display, and will treasure until the day I die.

We long ago stopped participating in this lunacy. And you know what? Our family relationships are as strong as ever since we don't measure someone's love by the value of a present.

This country needs to come to its senses after years of lobotomizing by advertisements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 11/28/2008
- bluekatz I'm a Fan of bluekatz 13 fans permalink

China is seeing the green as these mor0ns shop for useless items. The Chinese are calling this "GOOD FRIDAY". I have done without and will continue until I have the money to pay cash. But watch these same mor0ns stand in line waiting to return the junk they just purchase. Then wait for the crime to increase because of people stealing tvs and Xmas gifts. They just can't help themselves can they. Never fails the id!ots are like sheep. The subliminal messaging works wonders on the menta!!y challenged around the hol!days

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 11/28/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 372 fans permalink
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Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 11/28/2008
- indy girl I'm a Fan of indy girl 85 fans permalink
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They probably call it "Green Friday".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 11/29/2008
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2 EMPTY STORES :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 11/28/2008
- ChaiKat I'm a Fan of ChaiKat 8 fans permalink
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I know I don't have money to spend this year. I guess that crowded mall is full of more credit card debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 11/28/2008
- KarateKid I'm a Fan of KarateKid 372 fans permalink
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Yes, and the more they buy, the less it is appreciated. Esteem is not connected with the value of a gift, it's still the thought that counts, but people have forgotten that value.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 11/28/2008

wax on wax off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 11/28/2008
- slaxx I'm a Fan of slaxx 37 fans permalink
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i think it odd how that single mother was just laid off yet she bought an ipod - a total non-necessity. but people are tempted into this b/c they're getting "a deal."

you are totally right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 11/28/2008
- indy girl I'm a Fan of indy girl 85 fans permalink
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really--duh, lady--hope she has enough for grocery money when christmas dinner rolls around!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 11/29/2008
- trinity I'm a Fan of trinity 11 fans permalink

I see the economy and loss of jobs haven't lessened Americans need for HD Flat Screen TVs...I saw many pickups pulling out of Walmart's lot (nearly running people over) with TVs in tow. The local police were called in to control the mass chaos there.

This is interesting out here because Indiana is toying with the idea of cutting unemployment benefits because there are SO many people out of a job (with thousands more to come if the mills start laying off as promised) and collecting umemployment. Since so many people in the area will be getting even less unemployment benefits..­.I honestly did not figure Black Friday would be a big deal around here this year...gue­ss I was wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 11/28/2008
- hotstuff I'm a Fan of hotstuff 5 fans permalink

My daughter ask for a stuffed animal every xmas, if we get her more she is always happy. My grandson asked for 1 thing this year for xmas, (he lives here). So not all are greedy by no means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 11/28/2008

beanchihuahua: I respect that you want to give your kids a nice Christmas, but toys and spending money isn't the only way to do that. Consider a Christmas where everyone makes presents for each other, or maybe take them to volunteer at a homeless mission for the day. If you give your kids things all year long, then they really don't need any more stuff on December 25th.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 11/28/2008
- 1sparrow I'm a Fan of 1sparrow 20 fans permalink

the poor tortured survivors of the mumbai terrorism can look at their t.v.s tonight and say. "at least i didn't die working for 8$ dollars per hour at a walmart."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 11/28/2008
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And this is why I hate Christmas.­.I hate pretty much everything about it now. I only celebrate it for the sake of my children. And even then, I will spend $200 at the most. What's the point? I give them toys every year when they are deserving so why should I buy a bunch more toys for Christmas just because?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 11/28/2008

the children..­..your not bad afterall..­.just kidding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 11/28/2008
- bluekatz I'm a Fan of bluekatz 13 fans permalink

The whole meaning is commericalized for the mentally chall eng ed. If people would stop equating material goods to XMAS then these corporations would have nothing to create a frenzy with in order to drive up profits. But the US has become a material country where its not about skill or education but how much more I have or how big my house or how many cars I have , etc, etc, while the values and morals are thrown under the rug or burnt in the fireplace. The point is it is up to the people to change the meaning of commercialized Xmas. People buy toys for their children yet when you ask how much quality time they spend with them they are dumbfounded by the question. How many of you if you have young children went out and bought some toy for your toddler only to watch him take fancy in the box and only the box? Then you either gargage sale or goodwill the toy. Its called paying attention to one's child and you will see that children are happy with little or with what they have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 11/29/2008
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