Franken Camp: We're Down 73 Votes, May Pursue Legal Action

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First Posted: 12- 1-08 03:04 PM   |   Updated: 01- 1-09 05:12 AM

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The Minnesota Senate recount is getting incredibly tight. According to officials from the Al Franken campaign, the margin separating the Democratic challenger and Sen. Norm Coleman is now down to 73 votes out of approximately 2.9 million cast.

Several weeks into the recount, 88.6% of the ballots have been counted, a slight majority of which came from Coleman supporters. As noted by Franken campaign lawyer Marc Elias, in the counties whose ballots have been counted, Al Franken won 49.6% of the vote on Election Day. In the counties who have not finished counting, Al Franken won 52.8% of the vote on Election Day.

The number is not based on the Secretary of State website or other sources (where the difference is listed at more than 250) but rather the findings of neutral election observers who are on the ground in state counties. In these counts, it should be noted, Coleman has challenged more ballots -- accounting for the larger deficit that Franken faces in the official count.

Even with the narrowing margin, there may not be enough room for Franken to take a lead. That's because, as the Franken camp has argued, the state has declined to publicize rejected absentee ballots. Elias, while claiming that the majority of these 12,000 ballots were rightly thrown out, estimated that "as many as 1,000," could end up being legitimate votes that were wrongfully uncounted.

On a conference call with reporters, Elias said the campaign would now "pursue all other avenues open to us," in regards to making these absentee ballots public, "including legal action." He even noted (as has been recently reported) that the United States Senate could take up the issue, a development that the Coleman campaign has called "troubling."

"If ultimately there is no remedy before the canvassing boards and before the courts, that ultimately remains an option," said Elias.

Also on the call, the Franken camp, as it has done for the past two weeks, raised concerns over missing ballots, a problematic development which has been reported in several counties. Elias called on counties to redouble their efforts to ensure that every vote that was cast would end up counted.

"[The final number] simply cannot be relevant if it does not include the total number of the votes cast," he said.

Without making progress in the missing ballot and absentee ballot field, the Franken campaign stands a much longer shot of passing Coleman. But the numbers -- if their math is to be believed -- should tighten even further. The campaign provided two other data points that show a blue-tilt to the remaining recount.

In Hennepin County. there are over 74,000 ballots yet to be counted. Among the ballots yet to be counted, Al Franken got 79.2% of the two-way vote on Election Day.

In Ramsey County, there are over 43,000 ballots yet to be counted. Among the ballots yet to be counted, Al Franken got 51.7% of the two-way vote on Election Day.

The Minnesota Senate recount is getting incredibly tight. According to officials from the Al Franken campaign, the margin separating the Democratic challenger and Sen. Norm Coleman is now down to 73 v...
The Minnesota Senate recount is getting incredibly tight. According to officials from the Al Franken campaign, the margin separating the Democratic challenger and Sen. Norm Coleman is now down to 73 v...
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He should sue. Let the trial bring out all the (R) election dirt. Kerry should join the suit as well. He'd be about to start his second term and we'd been spared *'s second.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 12/01/2008
- fiorastar I'm a Fan of fiorastar 63 fans permalink
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While you're at it, Al Gore should join in--HE would be just finishing his second term, and we would not have been in an illegal war over oil instead of working on building our energy independence through non-fossil means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 12/01/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 38 fans permalink
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I think Congress needs to step in and call it for Franken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 12/01/2008
- sarimn00 I'm a Fan of sarimn00 4 fans permalink
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Yeah, because that would be fair...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 12/01/2008
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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As fair as the Supreme Court stepping in an calling it for Bush in 2000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 12/01/2008

Lol, because the electoral college decision in 2000 was fair too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 12/01/2008
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Fair to America the re-awakened. The rule of law is only for those with better lawyers anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 12/01/2008
- sarimn00 I'm a Fan of sarimn00 4 fans permalink
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Like it or not, this isn't a fight for the 2000 Presidential election. It's done and over with fair or not. And everyone is sitting here complaining about it, but they want Franken to do the same thing? Makes a lot of sense. I guess as long as it fits our agenda? I'm sorry, I am a Democrat, but if he loses, he loses, that's life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 12/01/2008
- 1will I'm a Fan of 1will 34 fans permalink

Have they checked everyone's trunk this time?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 12/01/2008
- Myshkin57 I'm a Fan of Myshkin57 16 fans permalink

The "ballots sitting in someone's car" thing was not true. Read a bit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 12/01/2008

Still working that old lie?

Conscience much?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 12/01/2008
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

gee whiz Al, Do ya think Randi could have helped ya?
How do ya say karma for arrogance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 12/01/2008

FInally someone else who understands how much of a creep Franken is

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 12/01/2008
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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"How do you say karma for arrogance"

What the fu*k does that mean?

Are you speaking English?

If your trying to be funny or snarky or just plain mean, could you please be clear first?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 12/01/2008
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

I just assume most of us have been paying attention for years, and will know the reference.

http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=14826

This is a good place to start....f­ollow the trail backwards, and you'll understnd "karmafor arrogance" is dead on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 12/01/2008

Al Franken was a complete D*ick to Rhandi Rhodes ( a Liberal talk show host ). Rhandi can be difficult to get along with but she is spot on with her insights, you may want to listen to her and my favorite talk show host Mike Malloy.

Malloy coined the phrase Bush Crime Family.

People automatically jumped on Al Franken's bandwagon because he was a democrat, without learning that he is not a Liberal or Progressive, and has shown some very sexist tendencies, he is a huge supporter of AIPAC and agreed with and supported Joe Lieberman on the Iraq War, and the failed Israeli war in Lebanon that put AMERICAN lives in Danger.

Just because he took on O'Reilly doesn't mean he is should be a Senator, he should have started with Mayor or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 12/01/2008
- bby328 I'm a Fan of bby328 17 fans permalink
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Have they counted the twelve votes from Frostbite Falls yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 12/01/2008

coleman won that vote...he got boris, natasha, and the fearless leader to vote for him

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 12/01/2008
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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No. They're stuck in the trunk of a car at Whatsamatta U.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 12/01/2008
- OregonGary I'm a Fan of OregonGary 9 fans permalink
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Ahhhh...

But Moose and Squirrel voted Franken

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 12/01/2008
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The two candidates deserve to have each and every vote counted that is a Ballot filled-out by a Citizen which can be looked-at and determined which of the Senate Candidates was selected or marked in any way that show the Citizens intent.
Every single Ballot Cast.
Too many lives have been sacrificed defending the Country and out Democratic Process to omit any Ballot.
Count them all.
It is an Unconstitutional Act to reject votes. A violation of one's Civil Rights. Count them. I demand it!
There is too much at stake not to have every single solitary vote counted and recorded.
Get it done!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 12/01/2008

Hell yes! Well put....

You'd think "Count 'em all" would be holy writ among all parties,..­.every time.
tm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 12/01/2008
- Loobie I'm a Fan of Loobie 3 fans permalink

This looks just like the last Al that doesn't lose very well. Hey, I voted for Gore, but I thought the resulting court battle was classless, as this one will also be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 12/01/2008
- Maezeppa I'm a Fan of Maezeppa 24 fans permalink

Except Al Gore won. Gore won the popular vote and Gore received the most votes from Florida voters.
The "classless" court effort was pressed by Bush and it was an effort to keep votes from being counted. Here, Franklin's effort is to count votes. Do you agree votes should be counted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 12/01/2008

If the recount went the way Al Gore wanted it to go, ignoring Duval County, (where a lot of black voters live) Al Gore would have lost the recount he sued for. If all the counties in Florida were recounted as the Florida Supreme Court ordered and the U.S Supreme Court also agreed too Al Gore would have won the majority of recounts but not all. Bush won some of the 11 different ways the recount was conducted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 12/01/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 38 fans permalink
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Class ain't got nothin' to do with it. Count all of the votes. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 12/01/2008
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"Hey, I voted for Gore, but I thought the resulting court battle was classless,"

Lol--yeah right. Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to vote, since you think it's "classless" for somebody to count yours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 12/01/2008
- Ozy I'm a Fan of Ozy 3 fans permalink
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Colman is trying to steal it. Typical republican tactics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 12/01/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 263 fans permalink
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Coleman is leading in the vote count. He doesn't have to steal it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 12/01/2008
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 38 fans permalink
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He already stole it by the missing absentee ballots. I guess you think we're really stupid. We're not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 12/01/2008
- truth2008 I'm a Fan of truth2008 10 fans permalink

Repubs love to steal elections!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 12/01/2008
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"Coleman is leading in the vote count. He doesn't have to steal it."

Was that supposed to make sense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 12/01/2008
- Johnbo I'm a Fan of Johnbo 4 fans permalink

AND, he doesn't want to do anything that would upset that lead - like urge that the Sec. of State to force a review of the 12,000 rejected absentee ballots. If only 10% were mistakenly rejected, that would be over another 1000 voters whose vote would count. That ONE action would speak volumes about Coleman's commitment to a fair election. As it is, he is content to try and limit the count to protect that lead.

It's real simple, folks. JUST COUNT EVERY POSSIBLE LEGAL VOTE! End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 12/01/2008
- sarimn00 I'm a Fan of sarimn00 4 fans permalink
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What's going on right now has nothing to do with Coleman. He can't say whether or not a certain amount of votes are public-it's not up to him. All he can do is voice his opinion the way Franken would. This is a bi-partisan recount.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 12/01/2008

Oh please... Coleman isn't doing anything Franken's not. This recount should be over before 2010.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 12/01/2008
- ctekin I'm a Fan of ctekin 8 fans permalink
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Actually, he is being much more aggressive about contesting ballots. That is something I find disturbing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 12/01/2008
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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No, It'll be over Friday I believe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 12/01/2008
- sarimn00 I'm a Fan of sarimn00 4 fans permalink
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I voted for him, but I don't think it is near as close as the camp is stating, and I have a feeling it is pretty much over. I know that with the absentee ballots, a ruling was overturned in which the Franken camp would have been able to ask certain people that voted who they meant to vote for. I don't agree that they should be able to do that if that was the case, because once you vote, you should not have to be harassed. The Tribune is putting the deficit at about 286 in Coleman's favor right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 12/01/2008
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 69 fans permalink

Seek legal action.

The republican r*tb*st*rds would.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 12/01/2008
- bija I'm a Fan of bija 5 fans permalink

I absolutely hate it when votes are not counted!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 12/01/2008
- Myshkin57 I'm a Fan of Myshkin57 16 fans permalink

You must have been feeling a lot of hate the past 8 years then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 12/01/2008
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I believe every electorate deserves to be represented as they choose. I am not from Minnesota, but I have drawn conclusions about Minnesotans from Michelle Bachmann and Norm Coleman being re-elected after what was already known about them beofre the election. She the female reincarnation of Joe McCarthy, and he is a money grubbing politician, plain and simple, ... with his ruse about his wife's employer.

Have a great life, Minnesota. I'll spend my tourist dollars elsewhere and chalk you all off my list along with Alaska.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 12/01/2008
- sarimn00 I'm a Fan of sarimn00 4 fans permalink
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Your tourist list must be pretty small.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 12/01/2008

Bobby Kennedy was Joe McCarthy's aide and played a large role during that time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 12/01/2008
- GreyWolfSC I'm a Fan of GreyWolfSC 9 fans permalink

I think you're thinking Roy Cohn, the anti-gay, (but gay) hatemonger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 12/01/2008

Please don't lump us all together. You are fine if you come to the city of Minneapolis. Our last mayoral election had only two Democrats running against each other. Minneapolis is a beautiful city full of progressive citizens, arts, music, lakes and parks. Our Rep is Keith Ellison, the only Muslim in Congress. Michele's district is north of Hennepin co. If you want to visit the most beautiful part of our state, go northeast to the Boundary Waters or to the North Shore of Lake Superior. That area, which includes the Iron Range, is solidly Democratic. Todd P went up there to capture all the snowmobilers but it didn't work. (My husband and I like to call it the Iron Ridge, as that is what Bush called it on a visit to Duluth.) As for Coleman, remember that our third party candidate got 15% of the vote, so he has nothing close to a mandate. BTW, Coleman was sleazy when he was a Democrat. .And Michele, what can I say, she is appalling, but the majority of Minnesotans did not have a hand in voting for her, only her district.

McCarthy was from Wisconsin and Robert Kennedy was a lowly aide but he did not have a role in any of McCarthy's actions. Roy Cohn, the anti-gay, but gay, hate monger, was McCarthy's legal counsel and his hate just added fuel to McCarthy's outrageous actions. Watch the movie Cohn which was by HBO I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 12/01/2008
- ron071 I'm a Fan of ron071 7 fans permalink

I find it disturbing that in America we have trouble doing a simple vote count. Is this ignorance or manipulation? In either instance, it surely is disturbing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 12/01/2008
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I agree. This shouldn't be that difficult.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 12/01/2008

Amen. In addition, votes need to be counted IMMEDIATELY after the election, no matter what has to be done to accomplish this. Even the "Absentee Ballot" thing has gotten way out of hand; those ballots need to be in and counted by the day after the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 12/01/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 263 fans permalink
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Maybe the vote recount isn't that simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 12/01/2008
- greg32 I'm a Fan of greg32 13 fans permalink

The re-count is a non-partisan process...­sure, its a heartbreaker for Smalley losing by such a tight margain, but at some point if the votes aren't there, he needs to give it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 12/01/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Except that the state has refused to recount 12,000 absentee ballots. I expect that's what the suit would be about.

Once every vote has been verified, then yes, it's over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 12/01/2008
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greg, I totally agree. I was ripped here for stating that I did not vote for the guy cuz he was a jerk to me when we met....if he were to lose by one vote, so be it. He came back to MN only because his career was in the toilet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 12/01/2008
- Myshkin57 I'm a Fan of Myshkin57 16 fans permalink

If there are legitimate votes not being counted, BOTH candidates should be upset.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 12/01/2008
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Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 12/01/2008
- sarimn00 I'm a Fan of sarimn00 4 fans permalink
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I agree. Like I said, I did vote for him, but although I am a Democrat, I didn't make that decision until I sat down at the table to vote. Normally, I have no problem. If he loses this recount, he should not go any further. That's just the way it is, no reason to take legal action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 12/01/2008

Situations like this will continue until all Americans demand a much better voting process.

http://yourwikipediarevolution.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 12/01/2008
- Tobiasism I'm a Fan of Tobiasism 7 fans permalink

Please do pursue it.
Let us send the message taht we have had it with the republican putsch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 12/01/2008
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