Down we go again: Fourth-worst drop ever for Dow

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SARA LEPRO and TIM PARADIS | December 1, 2008 06:04 PM EST | AP

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Traders work on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, Monday, Dec. 1, 2008. (AP Photo/Richard Drew)

NEW YORK — The stock market suffered one of its worst days since the financial meltdown Monday, slicing 680 points off the Dow Jones industrial average as Wall Street snapped out of its daydream of a rally and once again faced the harsh reality of a recession.

Not only did stocks end their five-day winning streak, they erased more than half the gains. The Standard & Poor's 500 stock index, one of the broadest market gauges, lost nearly 9 percent.

Erasing any lingering doubts, there was also finally an officially declared recession _ in progress in the United States since December 2007, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the nonprofit group of economists that classifies business cycles.

"This is just another episode in a long story and the story is all about recession and the question is how long and how deep," said Chuck Widger, chief executive and chairman of investment management firm Brinker Capital. "We're going to have continuing volatility until investors have better visibility."

"All the data is being filtered to answer the two questions of how deep and how long the recession will be," he added.

The selling was broad and deep. All 30 of the stocks in the Dow Jones industrial average finished lower. On the New York Stock Exchange, more than 7 stocks fell for every one that rose.

The Dow lost 679.95 points to close at about 8,149. There have only been three days in market history with bigger point losses for the Dow _ the Monday after the Sept. 11 attacks, and Sept. 29 and Oct. 15 of this year.

Bond prices jumped as investors sought the safety of government debt. The yield on the three-month Treasury bill, considered one of the safest investments, slipped to a very slim 0.03 percent. That indicates investors are willing to accept tiny returns just to park their cash somewhere safe.

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Investors were also nervous after weekend sales figures indicated that many Americans will cut back their trips to the mall this holiday season. Monday brought additional bad news: Manufacturing had dropped to its worst levels in 26 years and that construction spending fell by a larger-than-expected amount in October.

Although Monday's plunge was notable because it cut short a five-day rally _ the first such winning streak for the Dow and the S&P 500 since July 2007 _ it also fit what has become a pattern on Wall Street: The market makes big moves higher, including triple-digit gains in the Dow, only to quickly give them back as another batch of bad news arrives.

"We've got a tug-of-war of war going on," said Al Goldman, chief market strategist at Wachovia Securities in St. Louis. "On one side there's the prospect of several more months of bad economic news and on the other side there's lots of stimulus already on the table."

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Monday the Bush administration is looking for more ways to tap the $700 billion financial rescue program and will consult with Congress and the incoming Obama administration.

The decline Monday indicated that last week's rally was merely a hiatus from, not an end to, the wrenching volatility on Wall Street since the market's peak in October 2007 peak.

During the five-day win streak, which began when word reached Wall Street that President-elect Barack Obama would name New York Federal Reserve chief Timothy Geithner as his treasury secretary, the Dow had gained 1,276 points, and the S&P 500 had surged almost 20 percent.

In normal times, the markets might gain that much in two good years, not five days. So analysts said a pullback was understandable.

Friday's unofficial start to the holiday shopping season wasn't the bust that some investors had feared but indicated that, at best, consumers will be more fickle in their spending this year.

Retail sales jumped Friday as consumers snapped up items like flat-panel televisions and video game consoles that carried huge discounts. But parking lots became less crowded Saturday and Sunday.

Downbeat economic reports only fanned investors' concerns. The Institute for Supply Management, a trade group of purchasing executives, said its index of manufacturing activity fell to a 26-year low in November. At the same time, the Commerce Department said construction spending fell by a larger-than-expected amount in October.

The weak readings weren't a surprise, but they offered further evidence that the economy is suffering.

Financial stocks tumbled as investors grappled with doubts about the ultimate success of the government's efforts to prop up the banking sector. Citigroup tumbled 22 percent, while Morgan Stanley stock fell 23 percent and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. fell 17 percent.

Wall Street is also awaiting some sort of resolution for automakers, who return to Washington this week in search of $25 billion in government support. General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC are scheduled to hand Congress their plans for remaking themselves with government money.

The price of oil fell sharply after the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries decided not to cut production over the weekend and as investors bet slowing economic activity would hurt demand. Light, sweet crude dropped $5.15 to $49.28 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Only 218 stocks were in positive territory on the New York Stock Exchange while 2,693 declined. Consolidated volume came to 5.79 billion shares; it was at 2.63 billion on Friday when the market was only open a half day.

The dollar fell against other major currencies. Gold prices also fell.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average fell 1.35 percent. Britain's FTSE 100 was down 5.19 percent, Germany's DAX index was down 5.88 percent, and France's CAC-40 fell 5.59 percent.

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NEW YORK — The stock market suffered one of its worst days since the financial meltdown Monday, slicing 680 points off the Dow Jones industrial average as Wall Street snapped out of its daydream...
NEW YORK — The stock market suffered one of its worst days since the financial meltdown Monday, slicing 680 points off the Dow Jones industrial average as Wall Street snapped out of its daydream...
 
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until the so called experts realize that a debt based economy is stupid nothing will improve. at least not permanently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 12/02/2008
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Job loss, forclosures and mounting personal debts. Until you treat the disease the symptoms will remain. Time for the so-called experts to figure it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 12/02/2008

this is no ordinary recession. never since the great depression have things deteriorated so deep & so fast. some economists expect the dow jones to hit bottom at 1,500 to 2,000. remember this is only the begining of the recession. it's not over yet. it's just started.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 12/02/2008

No More "investment " bank bailouts!

"A credit default swap (CDS) is a credit derivative contract between two counter parties....

differences between CDS and insurance; the

buyer of a CDS does not need to own the underlying security;

in fact the buyer does not even have to suffer a loss from the default event.[2][3][4]"

Think about that. It's off track betting on the market. That, naked shorts and derivatives are pure speculation, gambling.

Even as we bail them out these companies are shorting each other!

Spend those trillions on energy, infrastructure, states, unemployed, facing foreclosure.

Order a trillion dollars in Wind turbines to install

200 GW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (600GW nameplate)

Don't ya think that would jump start the economy?

Cover appropriate roofs with a trillion dollars worth of Solar Cells:

Generate an Average of 125-500 GW !!!!!

Electricity sells for roughly 1$ per Watt per year.

100 to 500B$ per year.

10 or as little as 2 years. Only Maintenance cost, from then on for 20-40 years.

ROI of 100% to 500% over 20 years

Stop Copying Hoover, and start following FDR!

Giving these bailout to gambling banks will Force us into the Depression,

Just like the GOP conservatives want,

So they can "drown the US gov in a bathtub."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 12/02/2008

I"ve been smelling a rat for several weeks now
with this whole Economy thing:

If the banks need cash so badly,
why are they paying so little for it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 12/02/2008

the banks are not loaning like they are supposed to do with the bailouts. instead they are buying up smaller banks & bussinesses further enriching themselves even more.

they are also buying up our investments, iras & 401ks at bargian basement prices. any way you look at it, it's the rich legally stealing from the poor & they got the law on their side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 12/02/2008

so what really has gone wrong with the US economy?
if it were a human body, it must have been feeling a great discomfort. it all started with one leg( the housing market), swollen as huge as that of an elephant's because of excessive blood pumped in by the heart( wall street) , on the orders of the brain(?). finally , the leg busted, and the blame game started , the leg said, " i am just the victim." , the heart said, " I just followed the orders, don't blame me." and finally, the brain woke up realizing whats going on:" holy cow! but , hey , guys, I want no part of this, CAPITALISM was in charge!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 12/02/2008
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The Bigger They Are ......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 12/01/2008
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...the more money Paulson gives them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 12/02/2008
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Lol. Well put.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 12/02/2008

no matter what, you are still one of the wealthiest over all,with the biggest number of people driving luxury SUVs and living in those fabulous houses; for those struggling beyond poverty line, they are actually China's middle class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 12/01/2008

True, Cp, but for China's nascient "middle class", it's like the old song lyric goes..."How you gonna keep 'em on the farm once they've seen the big city lights?".

Frankly, dear, I have always been one of the biggest cheerleaders for the burgeoning Chinese middle class.

Workers RULE...or at least we should...sigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 12/01/2008

Yes, and if America goes down in flames, and is lost as an ideal to look up to (which has kind of already happened thanks to the: don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out the door, W. Administration) China's middle class will probably always be stuck where their at, along with many others.

Big topic here that gets into a lot of areas - endless semantics could be argued - and America's "ideal" is far from it, even when the country is so-called, healthy, but if it's lost for good? What will be the consequence(s) to so many other developing, and already developed, countries that hold us up as an ideal for democracy, standard of living, and economic progression? They won't be leaving their poor, or middle class status anytime soon.

In any case, it's kind of important, for the world, that America heals thyself, to the best of its ability. Not chauvenistic, or even overly patriotic person here, there are many many problems to iron out in this country; maybe too many that have gone on too long, but to have America fall completely... not good for the world at large.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 12/01/2008

The W admin is no role model for democracies anywhere in the world. What the standard of living is concerned: Most European countries have a higher standard already. There are things that don't compare on a scale of comparing gross or net incomes per country. It is called quality of life and this includes 4-6 weeks mandatory paid vacation each year, proper health care, good public transport and infrastructure to name just a few.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 12/02/2008

"May you live in interesting times."

-Ancient Chinese proverb/curse (depending on your outlook)-

heh heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 12/01/2008

This recession is not going to go away. What we are in for is a return to the 1950s economically only with the difference being that now there will be higher fuel prices, higher food prices and a lot more people to wander about without jobs. Crime will definitely go up and since a depressed populace will resist taxes, law enforcement will be in short supply and you will have a return to 1930s style mobs and gangs. In addition our infrastructure will start to fall apart at a greater rate. Our military will all retract back to the U.S. because we won't be able to afford their upkeep on foreign soils. We will have to retract our influence in the world and become more isolationist. People will travel less and remain home more since vacationing will become something of a memory. It looks like the only good thing that will come of all this is that perhaps families will be seeing more of each other and become more close knit again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 12/01/2008

Law Enforcement will 'regulate' crime, allow the herd to be culled somewhat.
The roving ex*cution squads will be the thing to watch out for. Ours and theirs. Try to locate within a "Green Zone" if possible. Our gore-crows have come home to roost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 12/01/2008

Law enforcement has always "regulated" crime, dear.

Elsewise our prisons would be full of dealers and not casual users and/or addicts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 12/01/2008

There is a very simple answer as to why the stocks have gone up and down so drastically of late. If you were the owner of a Corporation that had decided to open itself up to selling stocks, you would at some point be thinking about how to get all of those stocks back. Why, so that you wouldn't have to have others interfering in your decisions for one thing and secondly so that you could in all shapes and forms own your firm. So how do you go about it. You let it look bad enough at some point that the investors would be desperate to sell the stock. Then you buy it with all the money you've been stashing for several years in those off shore banks. But to get the best deal you have to absolutely give everyone the impression that your firm is in decline so that they (investors) will sell the stock at a low price. At those low prices you can buy back as much as you can afford. Once you have all the stock back, the firm is 100 % yours. If the Corporation takes a complete nosedive you declare bankruptcy and get rid of it, the employees and the headaches. Congratulations you've just won Monopoly and can go live on your private Caribbean island or wherever. It's all yours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 12/01/2008

Wow Artos,

That has to be one of the dumbest comments made on the Huffington Post this year. I hope that was a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 12/01/2008

Artos must've slept through Arpil Fool's Day.

heh heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 12/01/2008

nova07,

Perhaps if we could find out who is doing all the heavy buying on the up days we might find out if my theory is correct. But of course that's probably confidential. It might be interesting if we found that on the down days it was the ordinary guy/gal who was trying to offload their stock while it still had some value and then to find out if the Company/ Corporation owners were in fact buying up that stock in order to regain control of their firm. This would explain what I meant. As for being able to control the health of ones firm and it's profits that would be easy enough to orchestrate by simply cutting your labor force and not stocking your warehouses with enough product. These two factors would alone would result in a seeming downturn in your companies posted profit results. Nothing all that complicated about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 12/02/2008

We must never abandon our efforts to turn S.H.A.T. to gold. And we must continue to search for intelligent life on earth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 12/01/2008

The ups and downs seems to get choppier and choppier over time; we can probably expect thousand point gains and losses as time goes on, until the big drop puts Wall Street out of business for good, which would be good because Wall Street is pretty irrelevant to the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 12/01/2008


Dear Santa.

All we want for Christmas is a stable economy....

Please deliver since most of us have been reasonably good this year...

Sincerely...

Pretty much everybody planted on this globe-----

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 12/01/2008

After watching a few of these, what do YOU think should change? The answer is pretty clear:

http://www.abolishthefederalreserve.com/?page_id=18

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 12/01/2008

Reply to self:

I hope some folks watch at least a couple of these, and pass the link along. The videos seem to be well researched and documented. A lot of questions here that raise big red flags about the fundamental nature of our money creation system. Money=Debt? How can the Federal Reserve be printing money with interest attached to it from its conception? That kind of debt / interest can NEVER be repaid - there's simply not enough money in existence, and will never be, if there's money owed, over and above, from the moment of our money's conception.

In the end, it's another system that's unsustainable. But it is a VERY fun ride for those profiting from the mechanism while it lasts (the banks - all private corporations, including the Federal Reserve).

The challenge to the detractors of this material would be to prove it wrong. Legitimately prove it wrong, without a lot of soft-language and double-speak. Banking, lending, and fiat money creation principles, are not hard to understand. And if this information is correct? It puts a whole new light on ALL economic problems and discussions. We have to get to the core of this problem, not the outlying consequences that even doctorate economists can't figure out, "why." At that point, it becomes no more than throwing sticks, or looking into a crystal ball. But the core is very easy to see; as it usually is with most problems if you know where to look.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 12/01/2008
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