Clinton Senate Seat Timing Could Have Historic Implications

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First Posted: 12- 2-08 01:25 PM   |   Updated: 01- 2-09 05:12 AM

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With Hillary Clinton headed for the State Department, the question now on everyone's mind is whom Gov. David Paterson will appoint to replace her.

Names bubbling closest to the surface include New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, Nassau County Executive Thomas Suozzi, and Caroline Kennedy, a generally politics-avoiding heir of the famous family. Bill Clinton's name was floated on Tuesday morning, but a spokesman for the former president summarily shot the rumor down.

And yet, there are highly consequential aspects to the naming of Clinton's Senate replacement beyond who actually gets the nod. When that appointment is made and, more specifically, when that person is sworn into office could have long-term, historical implications.

Regardless of what happens in the next few weeks, Clinton's replacement will be one of the lowest ranking Democrats entering the next Senate. If, however, Clinton were to resign from her seat early -- under the tacit understanding that she will be confirmed as Secretary of State -- and Patterson were to make a quick decision on who will take the seat, that individual could be sworn into office before the newly-elected members on January 3rd. Senate rules subsequently dictate that Clinton's replacement would be higher-ranked within the party.

Following another hypothetical, if Clinton were to step down as Senator and her replacement were to be sworn in with the newly elected members on January 3rd, then he or she will have seniority determined by previous political experience. As Norm Ornstein, a leading expert on these wonky procedural matters, told the Huffington Post: "If you are a House member you get ahead of those who didn't serve in any elected office." State office experience is valued less than federal.

In all likelihood, however, Clinton won't be relinquishing her seat until she is actually confirmed for her new job. (Ornstein advocates a system in which current Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would step down from the post, President Bush would appoint Clinton, and the Senate confirm her before Obama took office -- thereby eliminating any time lapse between the office-holders. But this almost certainly won't happen.)

New York's next Senator will, in this scenario, be sworn in on January 20th. He or she may not be the lowest ranking member. Joe Biden's replacement, Ted Kaufman, could be sworn in at the same time, although he plans to only serve two years. The recount election between Al Franken and Norm Coleman may still be unresolved, meaning the comedian-turned Democratic candidate could be destined for the Senate's lowest rungs.

Either way, it seems certain that Clinton's replacement -- while getting a election-free ride to the post -- will nevertheless be near or at the bottom of the heap when it comes to party seniority. And that is not, Ornstein argues, a minor matter:

"This is something that has its relevance in two ways. The first is, if you go on a committee you become ranked in order of seniority. That matters in terms of day-to-day activities, like being in line to ask questions ... But to the degree that seniority matters in terms of who becomes committee chairs it would be 20 years down the road. The fact that you got sworn in the day after Person X did could mean that when a vacancy occurs on the Foreign Relations Committee, you are there to take it instead of him or her."

With Hillary Clinton headed for the State Department, the question now on everyone's mind is whom Gov. David Paterson will appoint to replace her. Names bubbling closest to the surface include New Yo...
With Hillary Clinton headed for the State Department, the question now on everyone's mind is whom Gov. David Paterson will appoint to replace her. Names bubbling closest to the surface include New Yo...
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No one that sleeps with whores, please new york...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 12/03/2008
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Caroline Kennedy would be a great choice. She has displayed dignity & integrity over the years. She also seems to have a much better head on her shoulders than some of the other Kennedy's. She seems very grounded. None of that irresponsible behavior like flying a plane with no flight plan....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 12/02/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Hillary can resign from her Senate seat allowing her replacement to secure important additional seniority benefiting the people of New York.

It will never happen, because it doesn't benefit Hillary. She used the people of New York, and now she's done with them.

Therer is a pattern with the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 12/02/2008

NY was a stepping stone to the WH, and she lost anyway...b­wahahahaha­hahaha..

At least the people mentioned to take her seat are not carpetbaggers like Hillary was. She was not even a resident of NY. But she just bogarded her way into the running for senator and NYer's dutifully voted for just because of who her husband is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 12/02/2008
- dreffein I'm a Fan of dreffein 17 fans permalink
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Wasn't Bobby Kennedy also a carpetbagger who had a brother who cleared the way? I think HRC is in good company.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 12/02/2008
- BigGuy I'm a Fan of BigGuy 5 fans permalink

Why impugn the motives of the Clintons?

The benefit of the doubt has been given W and Republicans across the board. Why not give Hilary the benefit of the doubt?

I don't like this continual assumption that Hilary and Bill only act in their own self-interest. I think it's just a bunch of Republican malarky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 AM on 12/03/2008

ANTHONY WEINER FOR SENATE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 12/02/2008
- ThatOne4Me I'm a Fan of ThatOne4Me 4 fans permalink
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Weiner ... another outsourcing King

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 12/02/2008
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

Gov patterson should wait a while they
are after Bill again and Billary may need her
seat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 12/02/2008
- AsISaid I'm a Fan of AsISaid 29 fans permalink
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I'd love to see Caroline Kennedy in the Senate. The place needs class and demeanor. Her brother, JFK Jr., might have picked up the mantle and run for office at some point, except for his sad death. Cuomo is a great choice as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 12/02/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 85 fans permalink

I too would be elated to have Caroline Kennedy in the Senate. She certainly has one of the best mentors a person could hope for in the person of her Uncle Teddy and she is a class act. I would very much like to see Caroline filling her Uncle Bobby's Senate seat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 12/02/2008

Bill & Hillary seem to have no lives accept for the political world. They will go scratching and clawing to their jobs as age takes its place. I can see Hillary now looking like Strom Thurmond where someone had to lift his arm to vote in session. Yikes!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 12/02/2008
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What's wrong with liking your job?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 12/02/2008

LOL...you don't get it, huh?...lol­...go back to sleep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 12/02/2008

""I can see Hillary now looking like Strom Thurmond where someone had to lift his arm to vote in session. Yikes!!!!""

bwahahahah­ahahaha...­I hope and pray they don't let Hillary back in the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 12/02/2008
- BigGuy I'm a Fan of BigGuy 5 fans permalink

Of course, they have lives outside of politics. Just like the rest of us, they endeavor to keep their private life private. That's why you don't so much about their private lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 AM on 12/03/2008
- sammy cole I'm a Fan of sammy cole 3 fans permalink

Carolyn Kennedy would be a GREAT Senator from NY....!!!!­!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 12/02/2008
- HC4BO I'm a Fan of HC4BO 37 fans permalink
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So much technicality just to retain a certain degree of status in Congress ...

No wonder they never get to the important stuff which is working out effective legislation to save this Country ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 12/02/2008
- klondiker I'm a Fan of klondiker 51 fans permalink

One more thing: let's not get over-dramatic. This is hardly a "history-changing" choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 12/02/2008
- klondiker I'm a Fan of klondiker 51 fans permalink

It would be stupid to quit before she was confirmed. Besides, it takes some time to leave an elected position that you've held for 8 years. I'm sure there's unfinished business she'd like to take care off, clean up her desk, so to speak.

As for the seniority issue, I don't have a problem with Hillary's replacement being sworn in with all the new senators because NEWS FLASH: he/she IS a new senator!!!!

It would be unfair for a new entrant to get 8-years worth of seniority (which, actually isn't all that much) that they haven't earned, over all the other new entrants (esp. when they've been elected, and this person hasn't)

Bottom Line: Hillary will resign when she's confirmed. I'm sure there's plenty of precedence of that happening, so stop making something out of nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 12/02/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

It will be interesting to see if the GOP unloads any of its well researched dirt on the Clintons during the confirmation, or if they simply leak it over the next four years, to keep Obama distracted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 12/02/2008
- BigGuy I'm a Fan of BigGuy 5 fans permalink

Not well researched dirt.

FICTION.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 12/03/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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I'm sure Hillary, will do what's best for Hillary...

We here in New York State, upstate especially haven't had a Senator for years now already...­.so if Paterson nominated "Nobody" we'd hardly know the difference­..!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 12/02/2008
- HC4BO I'm a Fan of HC4BO 37 fans permalink
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Speak for yourself ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 12/02/2008
- allwrite I'm a Fan of allwrite 16 fans permalink

Guess that means you've analyzed her service record and have specific examples to support your view.??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 12/02/2008

Stop complaining and go to her website if you want to know what she's done for upstate NY! If you have local issues, contact your state representative.

And yes, I live in NY as well.

Here is a sample from a two days last week.

November 20

Senator Clinton Congratulates Le Monye College on Landmark $50 Million Gift

Senator Clinton Commends Wegmans' Actions to Limit Skyrocketing Food Costs

Statement of Senator Clinton on Extension of Unemployment Insurance

Senator Clinton Introduces Legislation to Assist Homeless Veterans

Senator Clinton Introduces Legislation to Support Health Care Workforce

Senators Clinton and Murray Introduce Legislation to Stop New HHS Rule that Would Undermine Women's Health Care

November 19

Senator Clinton Introduces Resolution to Support Pancreatic Cancer Awareness Month

Senator Clinton Welcomes Clarkson Student to Washington

Senator Clinton Welcomes Renaming of Triborough Bridge as the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge

Senator Clinton Welcomes More than $180,000 in Funding for Western New York Fire Departments

Senator Clinton Welcomes Nearly $70,000 in Funding for North Country Fire Department

Senator Clinton Welcomes Funding for Eastport Fire District

Senator Clinton Welcomes More than $36,500 in Funding for Cooperstown Fire Department

Schumer, Clinton Win Huge Victory for Upstate NY Health Clinics Facing Devastating $65 Million Cuts from Proposed Federal Rule - Final Regulation Leaves Freestanding Clinics Untouched

New National Parks Service Study Recommends Measures Outlined in Schumer-Clinton Bill to Create Harriet Tubman National Park in Auburn—Brings City One Step Closer to Historic Site Designation

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/index.cfm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 12/02/2008

darthdarby­......Be careful NYer's love to defend that hawk of a senator of theirs. The carpetbagger, Hillary Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 12/02/2008
- BigGuy I'm a Fan of BigGuy 5 fans permalink

You're just not paying attention to what Hilary's done for upstate NY. If you only listen to right wing radio, you wouldn't know. The Right does not go out of their way to sing her praises.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 AM on 12/03/2008

The new Senator will not be in the lower rungs, Democrats are in the Majority thereby controlling the Senate. Being part of the majority increases the chances of Bills that are introduced being voted on much greater. Even the most powerful Republican with years of service can't pass a single bill unless it has bipartisan support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 12/02/2008
- LucieLee I'm a Fan of LucieLee 34 fans permalink
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I was under the impression that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wanted the seat, because it would be the seat his late father once held?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 12/02/2008
- Aabby I'm a Fan of Aabby 30 fans permalink
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i think that will be the choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 12/02/2008

If you aren't elected by a vote of the people, but instead are picked by some method to replace another... you should go to the end of the line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 12/02/2008
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